I’ve been lifting for about 2 years now (I need to update my profile I’m actually up to 185-190) when I started at 117. I’ve gained hardly any body fat, and my abs are best defined now then ever(mostly because at 117 I had no muscle to show). Anyways, I’m wondering which supplement would be better as far as continued bulking while maintaining a low body fat and improving strength, BETA-7 or Carbolin 19.
I’ve read up on both and I see that the only way that BETA-7 would contribute to these goals is through allowing higher volume, but it’s more of a performance supplement than a weight gainer right? Carbolin 19 seems to fit right but BETA-7 just seems to be all the rave. Any input?
And by the way I’m currently taking
ZMA
Surge
Protein Powder
creatine (Biotest brand of course)
~15g pure fish oil
So I have the basics covered and I eat healthier than any teenager you’ll ever meet so diets not really in need of much tuning except adding calories.
Can’t comment on Carbolin 19 as I’ve never used it but I do have to join the “rave” with Beta-7. It’s the shit! I’ve been using it for about 6 months now. Over that time it’s helped me shed 15lbs of unsightly bodyfat through higher volume workouts.
My muscle mass however has not increased all that much. It’s been defined, shaped and has been symmetry but that’s training.
Thinking if you’re wanting to gain, Beta-7 is not the right fit. Extra training volume is great but not so much on a growth phase.
Alpha Male (test boost) would be a better fit than Beta-7 would be IMO.
[quote]BlakedaMan wrote:
You think BCAA’s would be better fitting for my goals than Carbolin 19? How so? [/quote]
If you have to add something to your supp list, add BCAAs. Their anabolic properties are self-evident and they would have a bigger bang-for-buck ratio than Carbolin 19. Once you have all your bases covered, then you could look into fancier supps like Carbolin 19 or Beta-7. Remember that as a teenager, you probably have a lightning fast metabolism and off the charts T-levels.
Yeah I see what you’re saying but I’d say I have all the basics covered(and then some) except BCAA’s. But that does make sense that BCAA’s would do me more good than Carbolin 19 or Beta-7,
Thanks, Blake
[quote]rrjc5488 wrote:
I dont see why you’re recommending BCAA’s. Yeah, they’re gret, but definitly not necessary. A lot of people have put on a lot of size without them. [/quote]
True. But then again, no supplement is really necessary to put size.
Hey, I just shared my opinion. Were I in his shoes, I’d pick BCAAs over Carbolin 19. I tried the latter for a couple of months only, so I can’t really say how effective it is. But I do feel the anabolic power of BCAAs when I run out of them. Also, the pile of papers about the effectiveness of BCAAs is enormous compared to the ones surrounding Carbolin 19.
Finally, the guy said that he’s putting on muscle without gaining much fat. If he had a tendency to accumulate adipose tissue, it’ll be a different story.
I’d second anyone who recommends the Carbolin 19. I’ve been using it constantly for about three months now (sometimes with HOT-ROX and now on its own) and it fan-fucking-tastic. But I will say that I’ve been taking a beta-alanine withgreat results in my workouts. Just my two cents
Thinking if you’re wanting to gain, Beta-7 is not the right fit. Extra training volume is great but not so much on a growth phase.
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I disagree with this.
Extra training volume during a growth phase, provided its not too excessive, can help lead to faster gains, especially when properly managed. If Beta-7 helps you crank out 3-5 more reps than you normally could, and you’re eating enough, then I think it would help you gain more muscle than you normally would.
Its while on a calorie restricted diet when adding in more volume really becomes problematic.
With what you’re doing, I think Beta-7 would be great. I think you’ll like the effect in the gym and will be able to go through more brutal workouts with it, and coupled with sufficient food you should have good results.
Thinking if you’re wanting to gain, Beta-7 is not the right fit. Extra training volume is great but not so much on a growth phase.
I disagree with this.
Extra training volume during a growth phase, provided its not too excessive, can help lead to faster gains, especially when properly managed. If Beta-7 helps you crank out 3-5 more reps than you normally could, and you’re eating enough, then I think it would help you gain more muscle than you normally would.
Its while on a calorie restricted diet when adding in more volume really becomes problematic.
With what you’re doing, I think Beta-7 would be great. I think you’ll like the effect in the gym and will be able to go through more brutal workouts with it, and coupled with sufficient food you should have good results.[/quote]
Agreed. More reps per set plus more overall calories = more muscles. I love BETA-7 and even after brutal workouts with a lot of compound movements with minimal rest between sets I make it through em and feel good after.
Thinking if you’re wanting to gain, Beta-7 is not the right fit. Extra training volume is great but not so much on a growth phase.
I disagree with this.
Extra training volume during a growth phase, provided its not too excessive, can help lead to faster gains, especially when properly managed. If Beta-7 helps you crank out 3-5 more reps than you normally could, and you’re eating enough, then I think it would help you gain more muscle than you normally would.
Its while on a calorie restricted diet when adding in more volume really becomes problematic.
With what you’re doing, I think Beta-7 would be great. I think you’ll like the effect in the gym and will be able to go through more brutal workouts with it, and coupled with sufficient food you should have good results.[/quote]
In my opinion either would be a good choice. Both if you have the $$.
My experiences on these have been:
Carbolin 19 - I think really does help with the leanness. I notice I am more cut and firm while on this.
Beta-7 - I did notice an increase in training volume while on this, so from that standpoint its okay, but IMO rest and a good energy drink might accomplish the same thing when cost is brought into the picture.
BCAA’s. - Haven’t noticed much one way or the other. Maybe Lixy can elaborate more on his experiences with it.
I’m gonna add a couple of obvious caveats here and those are, if your diet is not in order save your money. IMO you will notice better results and get more bang for your buck when your dialed in diet wise. Also, I am going to attribute some of the effects to being mental or placebo. Sometimes when I’m taking a supp, I tend to focus more and that spills over into workouts and diets too so…I guess the moral is, make the supplements work for you, don’t expect them to work in spite of you.