Best Whey Protein?

Nutrition
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I don’t normally post on topics like this, but I think everyone is misunderstanding the question. The question was about whey protein and I assume only whey protein. If the question was about protein blend, then Grow! is definitely at the top of the list.

I also think it makes no sense to be mad at someone because they cannot or choose not to use Grow! exclusively. Grow! and Surge are at great prices that are cheap. Unfortunately, when you use them often they can become “expensive.” I will mix some Grow! with a whey only protein. It still tastes good, gives 40+g of protein, and makes each supplement last longer and saves me money.

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[quote]BIGRAGOO wrote:
They sell so much because it doesn’t cost them much to make it, thus making the price cheap.[/quote]

Exactly.

I’m going to rant for a bit here.

Just about everyone on this site uses a protein powder, right?

Those of you who read this site every day and benefit from all the great info ought to have the good grace to at least try Grow!

I tell you this, it is the best quality protein–made largely of the most expensive proteins available (micellar casein). Just over HALF of each scoop is micellar casein.

If you bought it off the shelf, it would cost anywhere from 60 to 80 bucks a tub, yet we sell it for TWENTY-THREE dollars a tub. Since we don’t use any middle-men, though, we’re able to sell it for this ridiculously low price.

Good God.

If you leech off this site and haven’t yet even tried the product yet think nothing of hawking some other company’s raggedy-ass protein, then I don’t even want to know you.

And even if you’re one in a million who had his tastebuds destroyed by radiation or something and thus thinks Grow! doesn’t taste good, I don’t care, you ought to drink it out of loyalty.

God it pisses me off.

I shudder to think what we could do with T-Nation if a decent percentage of the people who leech off the site actually supported it.

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TC,

Any possibility you could create a quality “bulk” protein supplement? Not a replacement for Grow! by any stretch, but something that can be used for times when a huge intake is used/needed.

Grow! could be used for pre/post workout nutrition as the “big dog” and then for meal supplements perhaps a standard milk isolate and “cheaper” whey isolate/concentrate mix.

Could allow some of the college joes to be able to eat large quantities and support T-Nation. Just a thought.

DH

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TC, how about making a Low Carb version of Classic Grow? It has very good quality protein but not quite so “elite” as micellar. This might make a great product that could be used for more “bulk” consumption and thereby leave Low-Carb Grow! for the ultimate in protein to be used more specifically.

I’m an Anabolic Diet advocate, so I prefer the use of Grow! for a pre/during workout drink instead of Surge during the week. Now on a weekend load, Surge is a great product to use.

Also, I have used a VERY well known protein production company/supplier off and on for years and when you consider the micellar, the quality of the WPI and MPI, the price of Grow! is right on par with their best “wholesale” offers. To make an accurate comparision, you have to consider the individual components of Low-Carb Grow!. Micellar goes for $12-15 per pound from even the “wholesalers”. Their WPI is around $10-12 per pound. Now when you consider the taste, as the above are raw with NO flavor, the quality, and the price of Grow!, it’s a good deal. In addition, purchasing form T-mag also BUYS the services of the writers. Not only is the price for the product quite good, but it’s amazing considering that you get the best minds giving the best info too. Keep that in mind when you buy your goods.

Just for kicks I “created” a Low-Carb Grow! copycat from the supplier spoken of above. It ran me about $22 for 2lbs. The taste was OK and it came in a mylar bag so I had to find my own canister to use. Now why not pay a measley $1.00 more for Grow! and get better taste, a container that isn’t a pain, and keep the best coaches in the business getting paid. It makes no sense to do otherwise. Just my 2 cents. Oh and I paid more for shipping via UPS than you will here at Biotest via FedEx. And FedEx was twice as fast.

Best,
DH

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[quote]Disc Hoss wrote:
TC,

Any possibility you could create a quality “bulk” protein supplement? Not a replacement for Grow! by any stretch, but something that can be used for times when a huge intake is used/needed.

Grow! could be used for pre/post workout nutrition as the “big dog” and then for meal supplements perhaps a standard milk isolate and “cheaper” whey isolate/concentrate mix.

Could allow some of the college joes to be able to eat large quantities and support T-nation. Just a thought.

DH

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That’s something that Tim has thought about, i.e., giving T-Nation members more choices regarding proteins.

My God, we certainly know enough about protein to come out with bulk proteins that are of highter quality than what’s currently available.

Thanks for the question. Your heart’s in the right place.

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[quote]Atomic Dog wrote:
Proteinpowda wrote:
Dave2 wrote:
Proteinpowda: In the end, you’re a backwards vegetarian. So no one really expects you to understand nutrition.

Eat your nutritionally void, falsely labeled chalk dust.

You know what though…you guys give me shit about my nutrition but I still seem to make excellent progress or atleast relatively good progress. I compensate pretty well for the fact that I’m a vegetarian.

Falsely labeled: I really hate to go off on Biotest but they won’t even tell you how much caffeine is in HOT-ROX! Quantitatively we know the stuff works but how do we justify that whe we try to explain it someone else.

“Uhh take this. This guy TC and Tim said it’s really good. Yes TC’s an english major but he does have a background in Molecular biology!”

Really how does that sound?
Biotest puts out some good shit but their are a lot of things that can be said against them (mostly false) if one wished to deconstruct your logic.

HOT-ROX has 125 mg. of caffeine per serving.

Why didn’t you just ask?

And by the way, in addition to a degree in English Language and Lit, I actually DO have a degree in Microbiology with an emphasis in molecular biology.

I have credits towards my Masters in both areas, too, but I never really followed a disciplined approach, preferring instead to take the classes that appealed to me.
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Thank you for sharing that information TC.
BTW I have called customer service and asked them about the caffeine content before but they said they were unable to tell me.

Also in regards to my statements about you:
You wrote about that in Atomic Dog years ago (the one where you stated you started off writing manuals for the defense dept. that would never be used).

I was not attempting to belittle you; I was trying to present an outsiders opinion of this site from somoene that has no knowledge of it’s authors. You have proven that you know an extensive amount about pharmacology (your Spike article for example) but not everyone logs onto T-Nation 20x a day.

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[quote]Disc Hoss wrote:
TC,

Any possibility you could create a quality “bulk” protein supplement? Not a replacement for Grow! by any stretch, but something that can be used for times when a huge intake is used/needed.

Grow! could be used for pre/post workout nutrition as the “big dog” and then for meal supplements perhaps a standard milk isolate and “cheaper” whey isolate/concentrate mix.

Could allow some of the college joes to be able to eat large quantities and support T-nation. Just a thought.

DH

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I second this. I buy as much Grow! as my college-student budget will allow, which isn’t much. It’d be really helpful to be able to buy a 10lb bucket of Biotest whey for a reasonable price. Is there any reason you all haven’t done this yet?

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[quote]Atomic Dog wrote:
Those of you who read this site every day and benefit from all the great info ought to have the good grace to at least try Grow!

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If you leech off this site and haven’t yet even tried the product yet think nothing of hawking some other company’s raggedy-ass protein, then I don’t even want to know you.

And even if you’re one in a million who had his tastebuds destroyed by radiation or something and thus thinks Grow! doesn’t taste good, I don’t care, you ought to drink it out of loyalty.

God it pisses me off.

I shudder to think what we could do with T-Nation if a decent percentage of the people who leech off the site actually supported it.
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Amen

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[quote]Atomic Dog wrote:
BIGRAGOO wrote:
They sell so much because it doesn’t cost them much to make it, thus making the price cheap.

Exactly.

I’m going to rant for a bit here.

Just about everyone on this site uses a protein powder, right?

Those of you who read this site every day and benefit from all the great info ought to have the good grace to at least try Grow!

I tell you this, it is the best quality protein–made largely of the most expensive proteins available (micellar casein). Just over HALF of each scoop is micellar casein.

If you bought it off the shelf, it would cost anywhere from 60 to 80 bucks a tub, yet we sell it for TWENTY-THREE dollars a tub. Since we don’t use any middle-men, though, we’re able to sell it for this ridiculously low price.

Good God.

If you leech off this site and haven’t yet even tried the product yet think nothing of hawking some other company’s raggedy-ass protein, then I don’t even want to know you.

And even if you’re one in a million who had his tastebuds destroyed by radiation or something and thus thinks Grow! doesn’t taste good, I don’t care, you ought to drink it out of loyalty.

God it pisses me off.

I shudder to think what we could do with T-Nation if a decent percentage of the people who leech off the site actually supported it.
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TC:
I agree with you on this for the MOST part. I love Grow! and almost everyone I’ve talked to has loved Grow!. This has held true except for one case where a certain girl hated the stuff for some reason.

I ended up selling to someone else for her b/c Biotest would not give refund her or let her trade it for another flavor.

I might rant about the price; but I also put 3 people I knew just this summer on the V-diet. That equates to a few containers of HOT-ROX and maybe 10 tubs of Grow!. Biotest does make the best stuff in MOST cases. I’ve found a few products I liked better; but that’s the exception not the rule.

I usually do give Biotest the beneift of the doubt and I have tried most of your products and/or have had others try them. But I don’t feel that since I read this magazine I should be under an obligation to buy anything. That’s a lot more money than a general magazine subscription.

I do feel it is proper for us to try this stuff if we want to rave about it though.

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[quote]Atomic Dog wrote:
BIGRAGOO wrote:
They sell so much because it doesn’t cost them much to make it, thus making the price cheap.

yet we sell it for TWENTY-THREE dollars a tub. Since we don’t use any middle-men, though, we’re able to sell it for this ridiculously low price.

Good God.

If you leech off this site and haven’t yet even tried the product yet think nothing of hawking some other company’s raggedy-ass protein, then I don’t even want to know you. [/quote]

Not very fair for the UK people who are on this site, 23 dollars equates to 13 pounds, which i agree with you is incredibly cheap and if i lived in the states i would be buying, but the cheapest i can find it for in the UK is 40 pounds a tub!! that is 70.74 dollars!! Enough said.

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Please dont ban me though - i do regularly use Spike and the price in the UK for that is almost acceptable at about 30 pounds for 60 tabs. :wink:

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syntrax matrix, protein blend of wheyt and casein, cheaper than Grow!

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[quote]okuma wrote:
syntrax matrix, protein blend of wheyt and casein, cheaper than Grow![/quote]

Um, ok:
Ingredients:
Ultrafiltered and undenatured Whey Protein Concentrate, Ultrafiltered and undenatured Milk Protein Concentrate (including Micellar Casein), Undenatured Egg Albumin, Hydrolyzed Wheat Gluten (including Glutamine Peptides), natural and artificial flavors, lecithin, sodium chloride, aspartame, acesulfame-K.

I wonder how much of it is actually Micellar Casein? I may not have a problem with a cheap Whey blend, but I get a little worried with a cheap Whey+Casein blend. Grow! works and tastes great, and is priced great for the high quality.

Another comparable protein powder that I tried once before Grow! that appeared similar in quality (still doesn’t taste as good) to Grow! is $50 bucks a tub from the manufacturer’s web site, and at a discount store still sells for over $10 a tub more than Grow!. I’ll continue to purchase Grow!

Besides, I fell in love with Banana Cream Grow! mixed with Oatmeal, blueberries and bananas. Damn, I’m hungry now and out of Grow! until I can order again. :frowning:

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[quote]samsmarts wrote:
ChrisKing wrote:

I use a lot of protein powder and I no longer use anything other than Grow!. I’d rather spend my money on quality products that crap like ON.

How is ON crap?
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How do you know you’re getting all the protein that’s on the label… how do you know ON isn’t adding in all that gelatin and padding the protein numbers?

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I have used
ON-cheap, ok tasting
jay robb–very good taste, very expensive
biochem–good taste, very expensive

I found this site around the first of the year and it is one of the very best if not the best source of FREE information
on the net.

Now that I am in the midle of my 3rd
CW program, soak up all the FREE information,studies,programs and hot pix of Karma on a regular basis, I feel like a hypocrite for never trying Grow!.

My first 2 tubs have just been ordered.

If you tried Grow! and didn’t like it fine.
But if you visit this web-site on a regular basis like I do and have never tried it, realize that to get you the information from the pros and to run this site takes money.
T-Nation.com could very easily charge a monthly fee.

Try Grow!

-just my 2 cents

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[quote]ipjunkie wrote:
okuma wrote:
syntrax matrix, protein blend of wheyt and casein, cheaper than Grow!

Um, ok:
Ingredients:
Ultrafiltered and undenatured Whey Protein Concentrate, Ultrafiltered and undenatured Milk Protein Concentrate (including Micellar Casein), Undenatured Egg Albumin, Hydrolyzed Wheat Gluten (including Glutamine Peptides), natural and artificial flavors, lecithin, sodium chloride, aspartame, acesulfame-K.
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The key there is the line about “undenatured Milk Protein Concentrate (including Micellar Casein)”. Now, including could be 1/2 a teaspoon as opposed to Low-Carb Grow! which (as TC recently pointed out) is more than half micellar casein per serving. So, if it’s cheaper than Grow!, cannot say I’m surprised… because the ingredients are just not the same quality.

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[quote]Kuz wrote:
ipjunkie wrote:
okuma wrote:
syntrax matrix, protein blend of wheyt and casein, cheaper than Grow!

Um, ok:
Ingredients:
Ultrafiltered and undenatured Whey Protein Concentrate, Ultrafiltered and undenatured Milk Protein Concentrate (including Micellar Casein), Undenatured Egg Albumin, Hydrolyzed Wheat Gluten (including Glutamine Peptides), natural and artificial flavors, lecithin, sodium chloride, aspartame, acesulfame-K.

The key there is the line about “undenatured Milk Protein Concentrate (including Micellar Casein)”. Now, including could be 1/2 a teaspoon as opposed to Low-Carb Grow! which (as TC recently pointed out) is more than half micellar casein per serving. So, if it’s cheaper than Grow!, cannot say I’m surprised… because the ingredients are just not the same quality.[/quote]

Ok great point. But for people who are running on a low budget and cant afford Grow! for various reason (For me, I live in Canada) Is Syntrax Matrix a ok alternative to Grow!?

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[quote]grimskunk wrote:
Ok great point. But for people who are running on a low budget and cant afford Grow! for various reason (For me, I live in Canada) Is Syntrax Matrix a ok alternative to Grow!?

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That’s something that you’ll have to decide for yourself. Haven’t tried it, am not sure of the quality or even how much micellar casein you’re getting in every scoop, see Kuz’s post above.

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[quote]grimskunk wrote:
Ok great point. But for people who are running on a low budget and cant afford Grow! for various reason (For me, I live in Canada) Is Syntrax Matrix a ok alternative to Grow!?

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Try Isopure. Very light texture, easily dissolves, no carbs, and not expensive.

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Thx for all the replies, I probably will try Grow! at least once to compare it to some of the other brands I have tried.

I will probably end up using Grow! once a day, and buying anopther cheap protein for multiple daily uses.