Best Thing Pres. Bush Has Done?

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[quote]John S. wrote:
orion wrote:
vroom wrote:
lixy wrote:
Why do you Yanks always have to bring up WWII?

It’s a free pass allowing the bearer to be an arrogant asshole due to the behavior of his or her ancestors…

Americans as a moral aristocracy because their grandfathers were forced at gunpoint to fight in a war?

Really, you speak for our grandparents now? I will have you know a vast majority joined on there own free will including my grandpa.[/quote]

On their own free will?

How did they manage to do that, facing a gun?

Coactus tamen, voluit?

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[quote]John S. wrote:
I sure hope he isn’t that fucking stupid to call pearl harbor “gunpoint”[/quote]

English isn’t your best subject at school is it skippy?

That may not be what he meant, but if you have any brains at all, you’ll have to realize what happened after Pearl Harbor… as related to the issue being discussed. Oh wait, I see, nevermind.

Edit: Typed WWII, meant Pearl Harbor.

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[quote]orion wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
orion wrote:
vroom wrote:
lixy wrote:
Why do you Yanks always have to bring up WWII?

It’s a free pass allowing the bearer to be an arrogant asshole due to the behavior of his or her ancestors…

Americans as a moral aristocracy because their grandfathers were forced at gunpoint to fight in a war?

Really?

"Demographic evidence discredits the argument that a draft is necessary to enforce representation from racial and socioeconomic groups. Addition?ally, three of the four branches of the armed forces met their recruiting goals in fiscal year 2005, and Army reenlistments are the highest in the past five years.

A draft is not necessary to increase the size of the active-duty forces. Our analysis using Pentagon data on wartime volunteers effectively shatters the case for reinstating the draft."

http://www.heritage.org/Research/NationalSecurity/cda06-09.cfm

During WWII, the lines at enlistment sites were huge. Entire graduating classes from our high schools would go and join the Marines.

Great.

Many may have enlisted on their own.

We will never know though, because of the gun and all.

To be proud that your grandparents where forced at gunpoint (as in, what they thought was irrelevant) to march on a battlefield and kill or be killed does make as much sense as being proud that your great-great-great-grandparents were forced at gunpoint to pick cotton.
[/quote]

Orion, are you that stupid? you do not see the difference? We where attacked, Many joined up on there own free will, some where drafted, But incase you don’t understand, WE WHERE FUCKING ATTACKED.

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[quote]John S. wrote:
orion wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
orion wrote:
vroom wrote:
lixy wrote:
Why do you Yanks always have to bring up WWII?

It’s a free pass allowing the bearer to be an arrogant asshole due to the behavior of his or her ancestors…

Americans as a moral aristocracy because their grandfathers were forced at gunpoint to fight in a war?

Really?

"Demographic evidence discredits the argument that a draft is necessary to enforce representation from racial and socioeconomic groups. Addition?ally, three of the four branches of the armed forces met their recruiting goals in fiscal year 2005, and Army reenlistments are the highest in the past five years.

A draft is not necessary to increase the size of the active-duty forces. Our analysis using Pentagon data on wartime volunteers effectively shatters the case for reinstating the draft."

http://www.heritage.org/Research/NationalSecurity/cda06-09.cfm

During WWII, the lines at enlistment sites were huge. Entire graduating classes from our high schools would go and join the Marines.

Great.

Many may have enlisted on their own.

We will never know though, because of the gun and all.

To be proud that your grandparents where forced at gunpoint (as in, what they thought was irrelevant) to march on a battlefield and kill or be killed does make as much sense as being proud that your great-great-great-grandparents were forced at gunpoint to pick cotton.

Orion, are you that stupid? you do not see the difference? We where attacked, Many joined up on there own free will, some where drafted, But incase you don’t understand, WE WHERE FUCKING ATTACKED.[/quote]

And that has to do what exactly with the prize of tea in China?

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[quote]orion wrote:
John S. wrote:
orion wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
orion wrote:
vroom wrote:
lixy wrote:
Why do you Yanks always have to bring up WWII?

It’s a free pass allowing the bearer to be an arrogant asshole due to the behavior of his or her ancestors…

Americans as a moral aristocracy because their grandfathers were forced at gunpoint to fight in a war?

Really?

"Demographic evidence discredits the argument that a draft is necessary to enforce representation from racial and socioeconomic groups. Addition?ally, three of the four branches of the armed forces met their recruiting goals in fiscal year 2005, and Army reenlistments are the highest in the past five years.

A draft is not necessary to increase the size of the active-duty forces. Our analysis using Pentagon data on wartime volunteers effectively shatters the case for reinstating the draft."

http://www.heritage.org/Research/NationalSecurity/cda06-09.cfm

During WWII, the lines at enlistment sites were huge. Entire graduating classes from our high schools would go and join the Marines.

Great.

Many may have enlisted on their own.

We will never know though, because of the gun and all.

To be proud that your grandparents where forced at gunpoint (as in, what they thought was irrelevant) to march on a battlefield and kill or be killed does make as much sense as being proud that your great-great-great-grandparents were forced at gunpoint to pick cotton.

Orion, are you that stupid? you do not see the difference? We where attacked, Many joined up on there own free will, some where drafted, But incase you don’t understand, WE WHERE FUCKING ATTACKED.

And that has to do what exactly with the prize of tea in China?[/quote]

Alright, first Are you high? You seem to be making some stupid statements, and some that make no sense. Please put the bong down eat something and come back in 4-5 hours and try to say your point again.

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The best thing that President Bush has done:

He exposed these planks of the Republican platform:

Smaller federal government
Reduce spending/fiscal discipline
No nation building, less foriegn intervention
Bring integrity back to government
Smart, strong and effective homeland security
Lets change the partisan tone in Washington

as nothing more than empty campaign slogans.

Then he took a shit on habeus corpus, and wiped his ass on American’s right to privacy.

Meanwhile he paid more attention to what Christian kooks wanted him to do, than to what his advisors wanted.

Short answer: He drove a stake deep into the heart of the Republican party that will take years to correct.

That is the best thing that President Bush has done.

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[quote]John S. wrote:
orion wrote:
John S. wrote:
orion wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
orion wrote:
vroom wrote:
lixy wrote:
Why do you Yanks always have to bring up WWII?

It’s a free pass allowing the bearer to be an arrogant asshole due to the behavior of his or her ancestors…

Americans as a moral aristocracy because their grandfathers were forced at gunpoint to fight in a war?

Really?

"Demographic evidence discredits the argument that a draft is necessary to enforce representation from racial and socioeconomic groups. Addition?ally, three of the four branches of the armed forces met their recruiting goals in fiscal year 2005, and Army reenlistments are the highest in the past five years.

A draft is not necessary to increase the size of the active-duty forces. Our analysis using Pentagon data on wartime volunteers effectively shatters the case for reinstating the draft."

http://www.heritage.org/Research/NationalSecurity/cda06-09.cfm

During WWII, the lines at enlistment sites were huge. Entire graduating classes from our high schools would go and join the Marines.

Great.

Many may have enlisted on their own.

We will never know though, because of the gun and all.

To be proud that your grandparents where forced at gunpoint (as in, what they thought was irrelevant) to march on a battlefield and kill or be killed does make as much sense as being proud that your great-great-great-grandparents were forced at gunpoint to pick cotton.

Orion, are you that stupid? you do not see the difference? We where attacked, Many joined up on there own free will, some where drafted, But incase you don’t understand, WE WHERE FUCKING ATTACKED.

And that has to do what exactly with the prize of tea in China?

Alright, first Are you high? You seem to be making some stupid statements, and some that make no sense. Please put the bong down eat something and come back in 4-5 hours and try to say your point again.[/quote]

Ahh, you do not understand therefore me be stoned…

Ok, a little bit slower…

I said they were coerced to fight, a form of slavery really, no need to be proud of ancestors “decision” and get all teary eyed because of WWII.

YOU posted, WE WERE ATTACKED GODDAMMIT; WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOU?

I replied, that this is irrelevant because you practically conceded that yes, they were forced to fight and only added why you think the US government had the “right” to re-introduce slavery.

So, forced they were, forced decisions are not moral decisions because the element of free will is missing, therefore bragging rights you have not, because your grandfather went for the same reason mine did.

They would have shot him if he didn`t.

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[quote]orion wrote:
John S. wrote:
orion wrote:
John S. wrote:
orion wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
orion wrote:
vroom wrote:
lixy wrote:
Why do you Yanks always have to bring up WWII?

It’s a free pass allowing the bearer to be an arrogant asshole due to the behavior of his or her ancestors…

Americans as a moral aristocracy because their grandfathers were forced at gunpoint to fight in a war?

Really?

"Demographic evidence discredits the argument that a draft is necessary to enforce representation from racial and socioeconomic groups. Addition?ally, three of the four branches of the armed forces met their recruiting goals in fiscal year 2005, and Army reenlistments are the highest in the past five years.

A draft is not necessary to increase the size of the active-duty forces. Our analysis using Pentagon data on wartime volunteers effectively shatters the case for reinstating the draft."

http://www.heritage.org/Research/NationalSecurity/cda06-09.cfm

During WWII, the lines at enlistment sites were huge. Entire graduating classes from our high schools would go and join the Marines.

Great.

Many may have enlisted on their own.

We will never know though, because of the gun and all.

To be proud that your grandparents where forced at gunpoint (as in, what they thought was irrelevant) to march on a battlefield and kill or be killed does make as much sense as being proud that your great-great-great-grandparents were forced at gunpoint to pick cotton.

Orion, are you that stupid? you do not see the difference? We where attacked, Many joined up on there own free will, some where drafted, But incase you don’t understand, WE WHERE FUCKING ATTACKED.

And that has to do what exactly with the prize of tea in China?

Alright, first Are you high? You seem to be making some stupid statements, and some that make no sense. Please put the bong down eat something and come back in 4-5 hours and try to say your point again.

Ahh, you do not understand therefore me be stoned…

Ok, a little bit slower…

I said they were coerced to fight, a form of slavery really, no need to be proud of ancestors “decision” and get all teary eyed because of WWII.

YOU posted, WE WERE ATTACKED GODDAMMIT; WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOU?

I replied, that this is irrelevant because you practically conceded that yes, they were forced to fight and only added why you think the US government had the “right” to re-introduce slavery.

So, forced they were, forced decisions are not moral decisions because the element of free will is missing, therefore bragging rights you have not, because your grandfather went for the same reason mine did.

They would have shot him if he didn`t.

[/quote]

To save freedom sometimes you have to fight, yes a few were forced to fight, but a lot chose too. They where not forced to stay passed the wars end. If your country goes to war part of your duty for country is to fight. If you do not understand this you are high.

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[quote]John S. wrote:

To save freedom sometimes you have to fight, yes a few were forced to fight, but a lot chose too. They where not forced to stay passed the wars end. If your country goes to war part of your duty for country is to fight. If you do not understand this you are high.[/quote]

This is one of the “noble lies” hoi polloi need to believe, so they get probably indoctrinated with good reason.

You might notice that the, let`s say, less expendable classes, either need to stay at home for very important reasons or somehow are allways late for the good stuff, like the landing on Omaha beach.

But yes, your collective has the right to dispose of your life and body whenever necessary, you live to serve government, not the other way around.

Commie.

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[quote]orion wrote:
You might notice that the, let`s say, less expendable classes, either need to stay at home for very important reasons or somehow are allways late for the good stuff, like the landing on Omaha beach.[/quote]

Oh hey, to get slightly back on topic, do you mean like the incredibly dedicated and dangerous “service” offered by Bush during Vietnam?

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[quote]vroom wrote:
Oh hey, to get slightly back on topic, do you mean like the incredibly dedicated and dangerous “service” offered by Bush during Vietnam?[/quote]

Well, SOMEONE’s got to stay home and smoke all the weed. Its a tough job.

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[quote]vroom wrote:
orion wrote:
You might notice that the, let`s say, less expendable classes, either need to stay at home for very important reasons or somehow are allways late for the good stuff, like the landing on Omaha beach.

Oh hey, to get slightly back on topic, do you mean like the incredibly dedicated and dangerous “service” offered by Bush during Vietnam?[/quote]

Or the ones paying 300$ not to fight in the “Civil War” - I do not blame them for not falling for their own propaganda.

They are pieces of shit though if they never walked the walk but talk the talk with a stuffed jockstrap on board of an aircraft carrier.

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[quote]orion wrote:
John S. wrote:

To save freedom sometimes you have to fight, yes a few were forced to fight, but a lot chose too. They where not forced to stay passed the wars end. If your country goes to war part of your duty for country is to fight. If you do not understand this you are high.

This is one of the “noble lies” hoi polloi need to believe, so they get probably indoctrinated with good reason.

You might notice that the, let`s say, less expendable classes, either need to stay at home for very important reasons or somehow are allways late for the good stuff, like the landing on Omaha beach.

But yes, your collective has the right to dispose of your life and body whenever necessary, you live to serve government, not the other way around.

Commie.

[/quote]

Your jumps in logic astound me. There are ways out of the selected service Yes, but in a time of war It would seem you would sit by and get overrun. America wanted war as a whole after pearl harbor. You see selected service as commie, I guess Israel is commie, I guess South Korea is commie. Hell a bunch of nations would be commie then. Please put down the bong man, your brain is fried enough.

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[quote]John S. wrote:
orion wrote:
John S. wrote:

To save freedom sometimes you have to fight, yes a few were forced to fight, but a lot chose too. They where not forced to stay passed the wars end. If your country goes to war part of your duty for country is to fight. If you do not understand this you are high.

This is one of the “noble lies” hoi polloi need to believe, so they get probably indoctrinated with good reason.

You might notice that the, let`s say, less expendable classes, either need to stay at home for very important reasons or somehow are allways late for the good stuff, like the landing on Omaha beach.

But yes, your collective has the right to dispose of your life and body whenever necessary, you live to serve government, not the other way around.

Commie.

Your jumps in logic astound me. There are ways out of the selected service Yes, but in a time of war It would seem you would sit by and get overrun. America wanted war as a whole after pearl harbor. You see selected service as commie, I guess Israel is commie, I guess South Korea is commie. Hell a bunch of nations would be commie then. Please put down the bong man, your brain is fried enough.[/quote]

Ah, you are not against state enforced collectivism per-se, you are just against state forced collectivism that happens to not advance your agenda.

The logic of the horde is the logic of the horde and I do not care if you advance the cause of your race, religion, class or nation.

It is all collectivism to me and oh, so deeply, un-American.

Pick up the bong dude, the truth will set you free.

Neo-con is just another word for liberal.

My point of view is pretty consistent.

Yours, unfortunately, isnt.

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[quote]orion wrote:
John S. wrote:
orion wrote:
John S. wrote:

To save freedom sometimes you have to fight, yes a few were forced to fight, but a lot chose too. They where not forced to stay passed the wars end. If your country goes to war part of your duty for country is to fight. If you do not understand this you are high.

This is one of the “noble lies” hoi polloi need to believe, so they get probably indoctrinated with good reason.

You might notice that the, let`s say, less expendable classes, either need to stay at home for very important reasons or somehow are allways late for the good stuff, like the landing on Omaha beach.

But yes, your collective has the right to dispose of your life and body whenever necessary, you live to serve government, not the other way around.

Commie.

Your jumps in logic astound me. There are ways out of the selected service Yes, but in a time of war It would seem you would sit by and get overrun. America wanted war as a whole after pearl harbor. You see selected service as commie, I guess Israel is commie, I guess South Korea is commie. Hell a bunch of nations would be commie then. Please put down the bong man, your brain is fried enough.

Ah, you are not against state enforced collectivism per-se, you are just against state forced collectivism that happens to not advance your agenda.

The logic of the horde is the logic of the horde and I do not care if you advance the cause of your race, religion, class or nation.

It is all collectivism to me and oh, so deeply, un-American.

Pick up the bong dude, the truth will set you free.

Neo-con is just another word for liberal.

My point of view is pretty consistent.

Yours, unfortunately, isnt.[/quote]

My point is very consistent. I believe in Freedom, I believe when Freedom is attacked you must stand up for it. Just because there is a draft does not turn it into a commie state, if that was the case we would not be paying our soldiers. The bong is only giving you a very slim view on things.

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[quote]John S. wrote:

My point is very consistent. I believe in Freedom, I believe when Freedom is attacked you must stand up for it. Just because there is a draft does not turn it into a commie state, if that was the case we would not be paying our soldiers. The bong is only giving you a very slim view on things.[/quote]

You believe that when freedom is attacked the state has the right, if not the obligation to force people to fight.

Very consistent…

I never said that the draft belongs to collectivism in the form of communism, historically it belongs to collectivism in the form of nationalism.

Other collectivist were of course more than happy to copy that, hell if you can influence other people to fight and kill for your ideas…

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[quote]orion wrote:
John S. wrote:

My point is very consistent. I believe in Freedom, I believe when Freedom is attacked you must stand up for it. Just because there is a draft does not turn it into a commie state, if that was the case we would not be paying our soldiers. The bong is only giving you a very slim view on things.

You believe that when freedom is attacked the state has the right, if not the obligation to force people to fight.

Very consistent…

I never said that the draft belongs to collectivism in the form of communism, historically it belongs to collectivism in the form of nationalism.

Other collectivist were of course more than happy to copy that, hell if you can influence other people to fight and kill for your ideas…[/quote]

Are you that stupid you can’t see what I’m saying. As a citizen to a nation you do have some responsibility to help defend it. This in no way states I do not believe in freedom or I’m some commie. Get off the fucking weed next time you post something because I’ve been consistent in my posts.

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[quote]John S. wrote:
Are you that stupid you can’t see what I’m saying. As a citizen to a nation you do have some responsibility to help defend it. This in no way states I do not believe in freedom or I’m some commie. Get off the fucking weed next time you post something because I’ve been consistent in my posts.[/quote]

Considering that you are simply born into a society, and realistically, have no way to escape responsibilities, as everywhere on the planet is owned by some government, you’ve got some theoretical issues to deal with concerning the concept of “freedom” if a government starts using “force” to coerce citizens.

Heck, the next thing you know the government will be spying on it’s own citizens, curtailing lawful demonstrations, and controlling media messages perhaps by outlawing certain coverage or maybe using less blatant coercion tactics.

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[quote]vroom wrote:
John S. wrote:
Are you that stupid you can’t see what I’m saying. As a citizen to a nation you do have some responsibility to help defend it. This in no way states I do not believe in freedom or I’m some commie. Get off the fucking weed next time you post something because I’ve been consistent in my posts.

Considering that you are simply born into a society, and realistically, have no way to escape responsibilities, as everywhere on the planet is owned by some government, you’ve got some theoretical issues to deal with concerning the concept of “freedom” if a government starts using “force” to coerce citizens.

Heck, the next thing you know the government will be spying on it’s own citizens, curtailing lawful demonstrations, and controlling media messages perhaps by outlawing certain coverage or maybe using less blatant coercion tactics.[/quote]

Oh please, now your saying america isn’t the land of freedom anymore, is today a huge pot smoking day or something 420 was last month guys.

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Wait a second, Why the fuck am I caring what people from Austria and Canada say about America.