[quote]John S. wrote:
First off, America is not the british if anything there more like the french in that war(Pick up a history book and read about that war). We are not trying to take over Iraq. We are trying to establish a democracy.
And really, so I guess every election held here before t.v. was retarded because as we know according to your logic no t.v. no way to know any information. Hell I guess even the greeks never had one(They are the founders of democracy if you didn’t know that).[/quote]
Let’s pick this up later. When you get out of high school maybe, or manage to read a book without any pictures in it.
In the analogy between our War of Independence and Iraq, we are the Americans in both scenario.[/quote]
The analogy sucks in the first place, but you’re the occupying force that the vast majority of the population would like to see leave.
Since the voting process works so well over there, why don’t you propose that the Iraqis hold a referendum on whether you should stay or go?
If they vote for you to stay, I’ll never bring up the topic again.
He’s been gone 4 years and dead 6 months. The only problem is that you were too dumb to realize what it takes to keep the tribes of Iraq together peacefully and went in with way too little troops. Good old Rummy. He sure dug you in deep.
I know you practice being stupid a lot, but it gets really tiresome. The whole analogy doesn’t work to begin with, there’s a million factor that don’t match. The only people who still use that dumb “it’s their war of independence” analogy are backward idiots who understand nothing of the region, its cultures and politics. Give it a rest.
Why? Because you’re unable to blame something on the Democrats?
Hey, don’t get me wrong, it was a nice first step; but is was much more of a PR success than anything resembling a real election.
But maybe I missed something. Can you tell me, for the 3 majors parties, what were their platforms and their stance on the major issues. Please also specify what those issues were.
Saddam held elections, had an incredible turnout and a fantastic majority. Tell me, do you call that THE DEMOCRATIC PROCESS too? There’s more to that process than getting people in the voting booth.
Yeah, you’re a sharp and perceptive guy; never does a nuance or subtlety escape you. Fucking clown.
I’m not trying anything. I’m trying to restore a bit of perspective on those elections. Unlike your crowd of retarded pom-pom waving dolts, I’m able to see the problems that are there. I’m sure it’s annoying to try and reconcile those with the fairy fantasyland in which you live, but you’ll have to make the effort.
You’re in on what they ask privately? Read that in one of your Soldier of Fortune magazine?
Come on Jeffro, I’m not going to play games in your little fantasy place. If you want to argue, you’ll have to stick to the real world.
Since you like their elected leader so much, tell me how much you love the nice Islamic constitution they’ve voted for themselves. I’m sure you’d like a similar one for the US, little autoritarian worshipper that you are.
Because most people didn’t even think that a semblance of elections would be possible with all the violence. And like I said, it was a nice first step; it would’ve been even better if the population had been convinced of your good will by these elections and not supported the insurgents.
Funny how they got there before the government did, no?
And cut the fighting for freedom rhetoric. You’re only there because it’s serves you’re interests; not the ones of the Iraqis. There are millions of oppressed people in the world and you don’t give a shit about their freedom.
In other cases, you actively support repressive regimes, like Saudi Arabia, because having stable despots serves your interests better than having the country in a revolutionary war.
So cut out the stupid freedom shit.
Whatever side of an argument you are on is the wrong side. Every time. By definition.
And I can only wish you were smart enough to cause me angst. I’d like it if you were able to come up, even if only once, with an argument that I could consider without laughing.
[quote]pookie wrote:
John S. wrote:
First off, America is not the british if anything there more like the french in that war(Pick up a history book and read about that war). We are not trying to take over Iraq. We are trying to establish a democracy.
And really, so I guess every election held here before t.v. was retarded because as we know according to your logic no t.v. no way to know any information. Hell I guess even the greeks never had one(They are the founders of democracy if you didn’t know that).
Let’s pick this up later. When you get out of high school maybe, or manage to read a book without any pictures in it.
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Pookie, You in the wrong, and what’s worse is I think you know your in the wrong but your pride wont let you shut the fuck up.
Get back to you when I’m out of high school, check I’ve been out for a while, Check I have read an actual book, So please, since where done with this little stall please come and destroy me, or are you just going to repeat yourself over and over again and hope to annoy everyone out of arguing with you?(I think we both know which one your going to try).
[quote]John S. wrote:
Get back to you when I’m out of high school, check I’ve been out for a while, Check I have read an actual book, So please, since where done with this little stall please come and destroy me, or are you just going to repeat yourself over and over again and hope to annoy everyone out of arguing with you?(I think we both know which one your going to try).
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I guess you’re just dumb and boring then. You keep reasserting your points with nothing to back them up, except that you say so; and you simply ignore most arguments made by whoever it is you’re arguing with.
You do the same thing in every other thread. Replying to you is a pointless waste of time; it’s like arguing with a parrot.
[quote]pookie wrote:
John S. wrote:
Get back to you when I’m out of high school, check I’ve been out for a while, Check I have read an actual book, So please, since where done with this little stall please come and destroy me, or are you just going to repeat yourself over and over again and hope to annoy everyone out of arguing with you?(I think we both know which one your going to try).
I guess you’re just dumb and boring then. You keep reasserting your points with nothing to back them up, except that you say so; and you simply ignore most arguments made by whoever it is you’re arguing with.
You do the same thing in every other thread. Replying to you is a pointless waste of time; it’s like arguing with a parrot.
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We all know that 70% showed up. I know I know, parrot. Thats why I move onto my next point. We all know that we are there under their governments request.(there goes us being the evil invader).
And I’m the parrot, You repeat yourself after many people have told you what to think, You disagree with JeffR because he’s JeffR, that immediately makes me think your view on this is just you being a egotistical fucktard. Having that view on anyone is retarded.
I now know why your view is the way it is, I understand I’m the one wasting my time. The only parrot I see is you.(what do you expect someone to say when you keep asking the same questions, No matter how many times you ask 2+2 your always going to get 4 no matter how many times you try to say 3).
[quote]jm89074 wrote:
Best thing he ever did was read upside down from a book about goats to school children while our nation was under attack. [/quote]
Because they won that war singlehandedly. On their own. Without any help from anybody.
Everybody was picking their noses, and they defeated the Nazis.
That’s what they’re tought in school.[/quote]
We refer to WWII because it was the defining event of the 20th century. We are proud that we brought the collectivist, anti-individualist societies to their knees. We are proud that we restored freedom to much of the world, with the final victory coming with the destruction of the Soviet Union.
One proviso though: when the Europeans try to commit suicide again, maybe this time we’ll let 'em go for it. Rescuing Belgium, for ex, gets old after TWICE in one fucking century!
[quote]John S. wrote:
You repeat yourself after many people have told you what to think[/quote]
That’s because, unlike you, I do my thinking for myself. The problem with parroting what you’ve been told to think, as you keep demonstrating, is that you can only repeat the same idiotic views over and over, but can’t explain why when pressed.
Thanks for making it clear that the “S” in “John S.” stands for Stupid.
This is the artists impression of mobile biological weapons factories. This was presented as evidence
Are you still pimping the Al-Quada - Iraq connection? Even the Bushies have given up on it!
You shouldn’t haven gone there effr0. Even Powell admits it was probaby his worst moment.
Muffin Man,
I refuse to refute your silliness until you admit your error.
Remember when you said we hardly knew anything about al-zarqawi?
I’m not going to educate you for free any longer.
Either you admit error, or continue to wallow.
JeffR
Horse shit.
Wow, Wreckless you sure showed him, Brought all the data to the table on that one huh? Really showed the rest of your hand there(stop before you say anything stupider).
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Anything more stupid than Effr0 you mean? That would be nearly impossible.
But I have the feeling I would have to explain why Effr0’s post is horse shit.
It is horse shit because it is based on Powells statements in the UN, which were horse shit to begin with.
We know that the war in Iraq is a rallying point for international terrorism. We know the war strengthens the terrorists and makes it more difficult for the moderate Muslims.
It’s clear the world wouldn’t have known who Al Zarqawi was, if not for this silly war. This war MADE Al Zarqawi and others like him.
Effr0 had to resort to the bogus alligations Powell brought to the UN.
Because they won that war singlehandedly. On their own. Without any help from anybody.
Everybody was picking their noses, and they defeated the Nazis.
That’s what they’re tought in school.
We refer to WWII because it was the defining event of the 20th century. We are proud that we brought the collectivist, anti-individualist societies to their knees. We are proud that we restored freedom to much of the world, with the final victory coming with the destruction of the Soviet Union.
One proviso though: when the Europeans try to commit suicide again, maybe this time we’ll let 'em go for it. Rescuing Belgium, for ex, gets old after TWICE in one fucking century!
[quote]pookie wrote:
John S. wrote:
You repeat yourself after many people have told you what to think
That’s because, unlike you, I do my thinking for myself. The problem with parroting what you’ve been told to think, as you keep demonstrating, is that you can only repeat the same idiotic views over and over, but can’t explain why when pressed.
Thanks for making it clear that the “S” in “John S.” stands for Stupid.
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I have explained myself, You just simply say its not enough. Shit I could just say that shit to every statement you make and say exactly what you are saying.
You claim they do not know the party’s, Thats a load of fucking shit, they lived with these different party’s for hundreds of years, they knew there fucking views. Meaning the elections where a success. Your argument is void.(that good enough for you or are you just going to say I can’t make up my own views)?
Oh, and my original message was supposed to state what they think. sorry for the mistype.
[quote]Headhunter wrote: We refer to WWII because it was the defining event of the 20th century. We are proud that we brought the collectivist, anti-individualist societies to their knees. We are proud that we restored freedom to much of the world, with the final victory coming with the destruction of the Soviet Union.[/quote]
We? We’re you actually involved in some way HH, because it really isn’t something your generation or mine can take credit for…
We should have pride in our ancestors for their activities, but perhaps not in ourselves. Their attributes are not necessarily our own.
Would that you could live up to their example if you are going to drape yourself in the fruits of their efforts.
Because they won that war singlehandedly. On their own. Without any help from anybody.
Everybody was picking their noses, and they defeated the Nazis.
That’s what they’re tought in school.
We refer to WWII because it was the defining event of the 20th century. We are proud that we brought the collectivist, anti-individualist societies to their knees. We are proud that we restored freedom to much of the world, with the final victory coming with the destruction of the Soviet Union.
One proviso though: when the Europeans try to commit suicide again, maybe this time we’ll let 'em go for it. Rescuing Belgium, for ex, gets old after TWICE in one fucking century!
See what I mean?
Thanks for prooving my point HH.[/quote]
Poor little Belgium…I think they have penis envy, what with the anti-Americanism there.
[quote]John S. wrote:
Really, you speak for our grandparents now? I will have you know a vast majority joined on there own free will including my grandpa.[/quote]
[quote]orion wrote:
vroom wrote:
lixy wrote:
Why do you Yanks always have to bring up WWII?
It’s a free pass allowing the bearer to be an arrogant asshole due to the behavior of his or her ancestors…
Americans as a moral aristocracy because their grandfathers were forced at gunpoint to fight in a war?
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Really?
"Demographic evidence discredits the argument that a draft is necessary to enforce representation from racial and socioeconomic groups. Addition?ally, three of the four branches of the armed forces met their recruiting goals in fiscal year 2005, and Army reenlistments are the highest in the past five years.
A draft is not necessary to increase the size of the active-duty forces. Our analysis using Pentagon data on wartime volunteers effectively shatters the case for reinstating the draft."
[quote]vroom wrote:
John S. wrote:
Really, you speak for our grandparents now? I will have you know a vast majority joined on there own free will including my grandpa.
I suspect “gunpoint” equates to Pearl Harbor…[/quote]
I sure hope he isn’t that fucking stupid to call pearl harbor “gunpoint”
[quote]vroom wrote:
John S. wrote:
Really, you speak for our grandparents now? I will have you know a vast majority joined on there own free will including my grandpa.
I suspect “gunpoint” equates to Pearl Harbor…[/quote]
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
orion wrote:
vroom wrote:
lixy wrote:
Why do you Yanks always have to bring up WWII?
It’s a free pass allowing the bearer to be an arrogant asshole due to the behavior of his or her ancestors…
Americans as a moral aristocracy because their grandfathers were forced at gunpoint to fight in a war?
Really?
"Demographic evidence discredits the argument that a draft is necessary to enforce representation from racial and socioeconomic groups. Addition?ally, three of the four branches of the armed forces met their recruiting goals in fiscal year 2005, and Army reenlistments are the highest in the past five years.
A draft is not necessary to increase the size of the active-duty forces. Our analysis using Pentagon data on wartime volunteers effectively shatters the case for reinstating the draft."
During WWII, the lines at enlistment sites were huge. Entire graduating classes from our high schools would go and join the Marines.
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Great.
Many may have enlisted on their own.
We will never know though, because of the gun and all.
To be proud that your grandparents where forced at gunpoint (as in, what they thought was irrelevant) to march on a battlefield and kill or be killed does make as much sense as being proud that your great-great-great-grandparents were forced at gunpoint to pick cotton.