[quote]pookie wrote:
John S. wrote:
Well I seem to remember reading about a country raved with war when it first started out.
Ravaged. Ravaged with war.
(wasn’t civil but they got to that later) And I seem to remember reading about this country becoming the most powerful country in the world.(Can you guess what country that was, I’ll give you a hint it wasn’t canada). Meaning they may be bad now but they have the option to get a lot better.
The difference is that the people of that country were doing it for themselves. They revolted against what they saw as unjust rule.
In fact, if you want to draw an analogy between the Iraq war and your war of independence, in Iraq, you’re the British.
Saddam was not democracy, he was a dictator,
Finally, you get it.
That was exactly my point. Just because you have elections doesn’t mean you have a democracy.
It takes a lot more than people going into a voting booth to make a democracy. Things like debates, discussion of policies, exchange of ideas, etc. Iraq had none of that for the past election. People, for the most part, voted for the candidate who followed the same religion they did.
The government they have now, Thats a democracy. Oh and actually 70% did show up for this one on free will, A lot different.
They showed up and voted without knowing what each party proposed to do once elected. It was a lot closer to a popularity contest than it was to a political election. If you look at the numbers of vote per party, they split pretty close to the population percentage of Kurds, Shiites and Sunnis. The Sunnis numbers are lower than the rest because a lot of Sunnis boycotted the election.
Oh and why can’t they be worried about a bunch of different things, or do you just think those Arab’s can’t think of more then one thing at a time?
It’s hard to follow political debates on TV when you have no electricity. It’s probably difficult to think about less pressing issues when the safety of your family is not assured; when there is violence in the street everyday.
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pookie, cut the nonsense.
In the analogy between our War of Independence and Iraq, we are the Americans in both scenario.
We are fighting for freedom and independence from a monarch/dictator.
For instance, if we were the British, we would be quartering our soldiers in homes, using Iraqi resources to fund the effort. We certainly wouldn’t be offering to leave if asked.
Horrible, terrible, reprehensible garbage, pookie.
Further, when 70% percent of the populace freely, uncoerced, openly, and willingly votes (especially with the know it alls predicting mass violence) you call that THE DEMOCRATIC PROCESS.
It surely isn’t facism, communism, monarchial rule, etc.
Further, I’m fully aware of your intentions. You are trying to make the election illegitimate. How else can you explain the Iraqi’s asking publicly and privately for the Americans to stay? How do you explain their elected leaders lobbying the weenie democrats in Congress a couple of weeks ago.
Remember that the observers/u.n. openly praised the elections. Even jacques chirac grudgingly praised them.
In summary, the Americans are there at the behest of a democratically elected government. They are fighting for the noblest of causes: Freedom.
You are on the wrong side of this argument. The sooner you see it, the less angst you’ll have.
Good luck,
JeffR