I saw you put Rod Woodson there, I went back and forth between him and Mel Blount.
Jim Brown turns 79 today.
Since were talking about the greatest ever what is your NBA all time starting 5
PG: Magic Johnson
SG: Michael Jordan
SF: Larry Bird
PF: Tim Duncan
C: Bill Russell
Coach: Red Auerbach
[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
If I am creating a team of anyone in NFL history to win:
QB: Peyton Manning
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Because you like throwing the ball to the wrong team in the most important game of the year?
Why not go Farve and be done with it?
I don’t think Favre is the guy to me it is between Tom Brady and Joe Montana, maybe even Dan Marino poor guy was never surrounded with talent
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
If I am creating a team of anyone in NFL history to win:
QB: Peyton Manning
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Because you like throwing the ball to the wrong team in the most important game of the year?
Why not go Farve and be done with it?[/quote]
I would hire Belichik as my D coordinator just to get him out of the way. Problem solved, crisis averted, and as a bonus, without Belichik to coach him and that D to win him games, Vinateri to wrap up his big games in pretty little bows for him, any team with Brady is fucked.
jbpick, like the fact you have the 3-4 going though, I’d take Mike Haynes over Rod Woodson
Peyton Manning is the best regular season QB ever, but is 11-13 in playoffs.
And Jim Brown was better than both Payton and Sanders. He averaged 5 yards a carry.
Linebacker is a head scratcher… Where’s Butkus? Jack Ham? Derrick Thomas is a good pull. Forgot about him. He and Andre Tippett were very similar players.
It’s a little premature but, I’ll take Gronk at TE.
Agree on Vinatieri. Gostkowski, who is the best in the NFL over the last 10 years, hasn’t had the opportunity to make the big kicks that Vinatieri has. His field goal percentage career wise is higher. He also is much better on kickoffs.
Sanders also averaged 5 yards a carry, and he played in a more difficult era. If you put sanders in Jim Brown’s era he would have had 3000 yards every year. Jim Brown in Sanders era he would have been lucky to average 4 yards a carry.
[quote]BCFlynn wrote:
jbpick, like the fact you have the 3-4 going though, I’d take Mike Haynes over Rod Woodson
Peyton Manning is the best regular season QB ever, but is 11-13 in playoffs.
And Jim Brown was better than both Payton and Sanders. He averaged 5 yards a carry.
Linebacker is a head scratcher… Where’s Butkus? Jack Ham? Derrick Thomas is a good pull. Forgot about him. He and Andre Tippett were very similar players.
It’s a little premature but, I’ll take Gronk at TE.
Agree on Vinatieri. Gostkowski, who is the best in the NFL over the last 10 years, hasn’t had the opportunity to make the big kicks that Vinatieri has. His field goal percentage career wise is higher. He also is much better on kickoffs.
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Prime Peyton Manning I believe to be the greatest QB of all time he was just on a team with no defense, average coaches, and cursed to match wits with one of, if not the greatest defensive minds of all time who had a stacked top 10 all time defense to work with.
But I do agree with a lot of your points and went back and forth on Jim Brown and Sanders. Brown is not better than Payton though, maybe for his era but not when you line them up side by side and even in their era it is debatable. Also, if we are considering era that they played in then Don Hutson probably pushes Moss out due to him still holding 14 NFL records.
[quote]aliceinchains wrote:
Sanders also averaged 5 yards a carry, and he played in a more difficult era. If you put sanders in Jim Brown’s era he would have had 3000 yards every year. Jim Brown in Sanders era he would have been lucky to average 4 yards a carry.[/quote]
I think if we are going to place players in different eras we should also adjust the players profile to reflect the nutrition and training practices of the era they are being placed.
Jim Brown coming up in Sanders era, he would have averaged 6-7 yards a carry and had double the rushing yards total.
These are just the facts, it’s science and stuff. It’s scientific.
Looks like no convincing either way between us. You are a Jim Brown guy and I am a Barry Sanders guy. Both of us clearly think our guy is better.
But come on man 6 or 7 yards a carry and roughly 31000 yards rushing a little much wouldn’t you say
I’ll give a couple more reasons I think Barry is Better than Jim.
Jim Brown played with 3 offensive lineman in the hall of fame
Barry played with 0.
Jim fumbled the ball once every 46 touches
Barry fumbled the ball once every 83 touches
I wouldn’t say I am a Jim Brown guy, and I think Barry was a great runner. No way of knowing how many yards he would get I was just trying to make a point about players playing in different eras. Many factors can come into play.
I do believe that Jim Brown coming through the ranks in any era would still be Jim Brown and his talent would have been just as special.
If you took Jim Brown at his peak in 1963 (he would have been 27) and bent time and placed him in the nfl tomorrow I think he would do an outstanding job, and his talent level would show. If you took Jim Brown and created his clone in 1988 (which would make him 27) he would be talked about as the best back in football and the favorite to break Smiths rushing record.
Bobby Boucher , hello!?
I see your point man, You can’t go wrong with either one in any era. Both are franchise backs you build a team around. Sadly the franchise back is a dying breed, I miss the run dominant NFL.
Just think of all the great backs of the 90’s
Barry Sanders
Emmitt Smith
Thurman Thomas
Curtis Martin
Marshall Faulk
Jerome Bettis
Ricky Watters
Yeah. 2012 saw the Vikings pretty run dominate and make the playoffs with a franchise RB. But, it brings it back to the real issue it’s a team sport. You need to have a good RB doing work, and a passing attack. And a solid defense.
It’s a badass game. There might be some flashy style offensive game plans that are mostly passing that has some success in the NFL but, you can build your O-line up have a solid back and good QB play and a respectful defense in the NFL and succeed and that will never change. Really no matter what happens in the league there is a rule about football that can not be changed. All an offense really has to have is 3 yards and a cloud of dust. If you could get 3 yards on every play every time you would never lose.
I want to see AP go to New England, Denver, or Dallas. I think those are the 3 teams that need a running back most that have a chance to win the super bowl.
[quote]mbdix wrote:
[quote]aliceinchains wrote:
Sanders also averaged 5 yards a carry, and he played in a more difficult era. If you put sanders in Jim Brown’s era he would have had 3000 yards every year. Jim Brown in Sanders era he would have been lucky to average 4 yards a carry.[/quote]
I think if we are going to place players in different eras we should also adjust the players profile to reflect the nutrition and training practices of the era they are being placed.
Jim Brown coming up in Sanders era, he would have averaged 6-7 yards a carry and had double the rushing yards total.
These are just the facts, it’s science and stuff. It’s scientific. [/quote]
Or his opponents would have been much bigger much better and he would have averaged 2 yards a carry. Totally unknown and complete conjecture when pulling players from other eras. Cant do it.
[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
[quote]mbdix wrote:
[quote]aliceinchains wrote:
Sanders also averaged 5 yards a carry, and he played in a more difficult era. If you put sanders in Jim Brown’s era he would have had 3000 yards every year. Jim Brown in Sanders era he would have been lucky to average 4 yards a carry.[/quote]
I think if we are going to place players in different eras we should also adjust the players profile to reflect the nutrition and training practices of the era they are being placed.
Jim Brown coming up in Sanders era, he would have averaged 6-7 yards a carry and had double the rushing yards total.
These are just the facts, it’s science and stuff. It’s scientific. [/quote]
Or his opponents would have been much bigger much better and he would have averaged 2 yards a carry. Totally unknown and complete conjecture when pulling players from other eras. Cant do it.
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So true.Red Grange wouldn’t be a superstar today but most of the players today wouldn’t wear leather helmets with no guards.