[quote]silverblood wrote:
[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
When you start talking about greatest player every I think you have to look at the talent gap between them and the next best person at their position. And Good Lord at guy saying Jerry Rice doesn’t count and then picking Elway. WTF.
Brady finally winning a Superbowl as more than a game manager this year and Peyton blowing one with a good D is starting to sway me on that conversation a little bit. But I would still probably pick Johnny U because of his ability in his era as my best qb. And the biggest gap between a position and the next best player at that position would be Reggie White.
Reggie White is my GOAT player, with Johnny U and Jim Brown getting honorable mentions. [/quote]
Thread should be best player since 2000. A lot of the members here probably have no real idea about how good Unitas, White, Butkus, or Brown were. People talk about Staubach but how many really watched him? I always ask “real” Cowboy fans if they know who got the safety when they beat Detroit 5-0 in the playoffs? Only real fans know.[/quote]
Staubach was a little before my time, but I grew up watching Danny, Randy White and Tony Dorsett.
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]aliceinchains wrote:
This is my top 5
- Barry Sanders
- Jerry Rice
- Lawrence Taylor
4a. Joe Montana
4b. Tom Brady[/quote]
I might catch shit for this, but Emmitt Smith > Barry Sanders. I know he had a better team, but when it comes down to it. If it’s forth and one, at the goal line to win the SB, given equal lines in front, I’d prefer Smith, and hand it to him before Sanders.
Sanders was an amazing talent, amazing. But he’d lose 5, gain 12 type runner. Smith was smaller and would still take the rock and run down hill into the line if need be. [/quote]
But if you had Sanders he would have probably already scored when it was 1st and goal from the 9 so your logic is flawed. Your situation is too specific to have any definitive measurement. If you said, I was going to coach in one Superbowl, and if I lose I die, I can only pick one running back, who would I choose? I would actually probably take Walter Payton, but Marshall Faulk or prime Ladanian Tomlinson would also come into the mix because of the threat in the passing game.
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
[quote]silverblood wrote:
[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
When you start talking about greatest player every I think you have to look at the talent gap between them and the next best person at their position. And Good Lord at guy saying Jerry Rice doesn’t count and then picking Elway. WTF.
Brady finally winning a Superbowl as more than a game manager this year and Peyton blowing one with a good D is starting to sway me on that conversation a little bit. But I would still probably pick Johnny U because of his ability in his era as my best qb. And the biggest gap between a position and the next best player at that position would be Reggie White.
Reggie White is my GOAT player, with Johnny U and Jim Brown getting honorable mentions. [/quote]
Thread should be best player since 2000. A lot of the members here probably have no real idea about how good Unitas, White, Butkus, or Brown were. People talk about Staubach but how many really watched him? I always ask “real” Cowboy fans if they know who got the safety when they beat Detroit 5-0 in the playoffs? Only real fans know.[/quote]
Staubach was a little before my time, but I grew up watching Danny, Randy White and Tony Dorsett. [/quote]
You would have loved them then. They were my team until JJ took over. Walt Garrison rode bulls in the off season. Calvin Hill would jump over defenders and Duane Thomas and Garrison run through them. Bob Lilly, Lee Roy Jordon, Mel Renfro, and Charlie Waters on defense to name a few. Hell of a team.
[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
But if you had Sanders he would have probably already scored when it was 1st and goal from the 9 so your logic is flawed. [/quote]
If you can show that the Lions never had a 4th and goal the entire time Sanders was playing then, yes, my logic is flawed. Otherwise you’re intentionally ignoring the point.
And the point is, if I had one tough yard to get, there are many other RB’s I’d give the ball too before Sanders.
However, if I was looking to build a franchise and got my pick of studs at each position, Sanders is damn well near the top of the list in any era of football.
It’s the entire point of the exercise. I’m showing the flaw in Sander’s game, and it’s a big flaw. Dude is in the conversation for GOAT RB’s sure, but not in GOAT all of football, imo.
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
But if you had Sanders he would have probably already scored when it was 1st and goal from the 9 so your logic is flawed. [/quote]
If you can show that the Lions never had a 4th and goal the entire time Sanders was playing then, yes, my logic is flawed. Otherwise you’re intentionally ignoring the point.
And the point is, if I had one tough yard to get, there are many other RB’s I’d give the ball too before Sanders.
However, if I was looking to build a franchise and got my pick of studs at each position, Sanders is damn well near the top of the list in any era of football.
It’s the entire point of the exercise. I’m showing the flaw in Sander’s game, and it’s a big flaw. Dude is in the conversation for GOAT RB’s sure, but not in GOAT all of football, imo.
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That is true. I wouldn’t put either one of those two as my top RB. Walter Payton would serve that role for me.
walter was great top 3 running back for sure, but not barry. Walter averaged 4.4 yards a carry throughout career, barry averaged 5.0. True GOAT is barry
On a different note the most overrated running back of all time to me is Eddie George.
[quote]aliceinchains wrote:
walter was great top 3 running back for sure, but not barry. Walter averaged 4.4 yards a carry throughout career, barry averaged 5.0. True GOAT is barry[/quote]
But as beans was trying to point out with the Emmitt 4th and 1 thing, Payton had fewer holes. IF you wanted a back to play all 4 downs in every situation, Payton>Barry
[quote]aliceinchains wrote:
On a different note the most overrated running back of all time to me is Eddie George.[/quote]
Edgerrin James
[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
[quote]aliceinchains wrote:
walter was great top 3 running back for sure, but not barry. Walter averaged 4.4 yards a carry throughout career, barry averaged 5.0. True GOAT is barry[/quote]
But as beans was trying to point out with the Emmitt 4th and 1 thing, Payton had fewer holes. IF you wanted a back to play all 4 downs in every situation, Payton>Barry[/quote]
Light years. I’ll take the loss of .6 yards per carry over a career. This isn’t baseball, statistics don’t tell the whole story.
I also think people forget about o.j simpson the guy had 2003 yards in only 14 games you figure that over 16 games its 2289 yards. Pretty impressive
True statistics don’t tell the whole story, but numbers never lie.
[quote]aliceinchains wrote:
I also think people forget about o.j simpson the guy had 2003 yards in only 14 games you figure that over 16 games its 2289 yards. Pretty impressive[/quote]
Yea he killed it
On 4th and 1 any of these would take it across. Also need to be in the GOAT conversation at RB.
Franco Harris
Marcus Allen
Tony Dorsett
Thurman Thomas
I always think you have to separate players personal lives and on the field lives. I like Ray Lewis for his great on field play. I don’t judge his on field play by his murder charge. The point being we should enjoy watching professionall athletes, but they should not be role models.
[quote]aliceinchains wrote:
True statistics don’t tell the whole story, but numbers never lie.[/quote]
Numbers lie all the fucking time, lmao…
Disagree with Franco. Dorsett, Allen, and Thomas were all very great, but I wouldn’t put them in the GOAT conversation. My top 5 rbs are:
Barry sanders
Walter Payton
Jim Brown
Curtis Martin (Most Underrated Ever)
Marshall Faulk / Eric Dickerson
[quote]aliceinchains wrote:
Disagree with Franco. Dorsett, Allen, and Thomas were all very great, but I wouldn’t put them in the GOAT conversation. My top 5 rbs are:
Barry sanders
Walter Payton
Jim Brown
Curtis Martin (Most Underrated Ever)
Marshall Faulk / Eric Dickerson
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How can you skip the RB with the most rushing yards of all time?
No love for AP as best RB of all time?
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
No love for AP as best RB of all time?[/quote]
Shit, I forgot about AP. He definitely deserves to be in the conversation.