[quote]aliceinchains wrote:
Jim and Barry are the only guys in NFL history to average 5 yards a carry.[/quote]
Actually Jamaal Charles is the all time leader with 5.5ypc. Done behind a mediocre line with a fairly rubbish passing game for the most part.
I would say his line is better than mediocre, but nonetheless 5.5 in modern day NFL is impressive as hell. I stand corrected.
[quote]aliceinchains wrote:
I would say his line is better than mediocre, but nonetheless 5.5 in modern day NFL is impressive as hell. I stand corrected.[/quote]
Eric Fisher semi decent, Mike McGlynn possibly the worst oline man in the league, Rodney Hudson good player, Zach Fulton 6th round rookie not great, Ryan Harris mediocre at best. Overall line ranked 27th in run blocking on PFF. Mediocre was a complement.
What do you guys think of Dorial Green-Beckham. I think he can be a great receiver in the league not Randy Moss or Calvin Johnson though. I think where he will be drafted depends on how great of a 40 time he runs
[quote]aliceinchains wrote:
What do you guys think of Dorial Green-Beckham. I think he can be a great receiver in the league not Randy Moss or Calvin Johnson though. I think where he will be drafted depends on how great of a 40 time he runs[/quote]
Do you work for the Browns? DGB will be Josh Gordon at best, Justin Blackmon at worst. He isn’t worth anything more than a 4th round pick because the best you can hope for is a year before he fucks himself out of the league.
I know it is a crapshoot and he could crash and burn, but look at Randy Moss he had problems in high school and college and is a top 3 receiver in NFL history.
[quote]aliceinchains wrote:
I know it is a crapshoot and he could crash and burn, but look at Randy Moss he had problems in high school and college and is a top 3 receiver in NFL history.[/quote]
Dude had enough behavioral issues that a college team cut him loose. That’s more than a little problem. Also, it was always fairly well documented that he had horrible work ethic, never knew the plays, and was generally lost on the field. He was just a physical freak and relied solely on that. Dude is a beast though but he is a lost cause unless you can get him way late.
[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
[quote]aliceinchains wrote:
I know it is a crapshoot and he could crash and burn, but look at Randy Moss he had problems in high school and college and is a top 3 receiver in NFL history.[/quote]
Dude had enough behavioral issues that a college team cut him loose. That’s more than a little problem. Also, it was always fairly well documented that he had horrible work ethic, never knew the plays, and was generally lost on the field. He was just a physical freak and relied solely on that. Dude is a beast though but he is a lost cause unless you can get him way late. [/quote]
But how late do you wait?
It depends on the team IMO. If you are a team that has a good foundation, a well run organization in all departments, and don’t have major holes to fill, and a young team with the right mix of veterans, you could get away picking him 2nd round. Maybe trade out of the first round get a couple of second rounders and spend one of those on him.
To clarify, if I am a team that is rebuilding and a few players and years away, I am staying away from him. If i am a team that has a contender ready to hit the field I might be willing to make some moves and pick him up earlier even though there are risks. 6’5", speed, size, a second gear, soft, sure hands. Put him on the right team with the right coaches, and leaders in the locker room?
[quote]mbdix wrote:
[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
[quote]aliceinchains wrote:
I know it is a crapshoot and he could crash and burn, but look at Randy Moss he had problems in high school and college and is a top 3 receiver in NFL history.[/quote]
Dude had enough behavioral issues that a college team cut him loose. That’s more than a little problem. Also, it was always fairly well documented that he had horrible work ethic, never knew the plays, and was generally lost on the field. He was just a physical freak and relied solely on that. Dude is a beast though but he is a lost cause unless you can get him way late. [/quote]
But how late do you wait?
It depends on the team IMO. If you are a team that has a good foundation, a well run organization in all departments, and don’t have major holes to fill, and a young team with the right mix of veterans, you could get away picking him 2nd round. Maybe trade out of the first round get a couple of second rounders and spend one of those on him.
To clarify, if I am a team that is rebuilding and a few players and years away, I am staying away from him. If i am a team that has a contender ready to hit the field I might be willing to make some moves and pick him up earlier even though there are risks. 6’5", speed, size, a second gear, soft, sure hands. Put him on the right team with the right coaches, and leaders in the locker room?
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Not a chance. 3rd round would be alright, not value, 4th round you start looking at him. You are basically only going to draft him if you get him in a round were you are ok drafting a one year wonder that you can cut loose at the first sign of trouble. Considering the incident he was released for was domestic violence related, most teams aren’t going to touch that.
Doug Flutie or Ochocinco
I kid.
JJ WATT
Tom
Peyton
Young
Peterson
Both LT’S
Charles is impressive and so is lynch.
My favourite of all time with stats and charisma combined would be Favre
Any ideas what the Patriots will do after not tagging Devin McCourty, and letting Vince Wilfork go.
The 1985 Bears. All of them were the greatest player in NFL history.
You have to wonder what in the hell the Patriots are doing in free agency. Letting Revis and Browner walk. They also not to be signing anyone even though Revis, Browner, and Wilfork leaving opened up a good amount of cap space
[quote]aliceinchains wrote:
You have to wonder what in the hell the Patriots are doing in free agency. Letting Revis and Browner walk. They also not to be signing anyone even though Revis, Browner, and Wilfork leaving opened up a good amount of cap space[/quote]
The same thing they always do.
It’s unbelievable to me that after fifteen seasons of doing things this way people still act like it’s a problem that the Patriots don’t try to win free agency and are content to let very good players leave if the price isn’t right.
[quote]mbdix wrote:
If I had the choice to pick any player in the history of the nfl, it would be very hard for me to pass up John Elway. [/quote]
Watch the 1989 Super Bowl again and then make that statement.
I have enough faith in the Patriots that I’m cutting the 5 k check for season ticket renewal tomorrow or Tuesday.
I can’t wait to see them hang 60 on the Colts this year.
[quote]Dr. Pangloss wrote:
[quote]aliceinchains wrote:
he averaged more yards per game than any back in history. Jim and Barry are the only guys in NFL history to average 5 yards a carry. So even if he took a loss on some runs he still averaged 5. The reason he had some bad games in his career, is because the box was stacked 8 against him every down. Defensive coordinators gameplanned for him and him only when the lions came to town[/quote]
You sure those DC’s didn’t have to take 4x Pro-Bowler Herman Moore and Brett Perriman into account? Moore and Perriman were the first pair of wide receivers to have 100 catches apiece in the NFL. The were also the first pair to put up 1400 yards each in a season.[/quote]
Not to mention the fact that the box is stacked against all great running backs on virtually all downs. The ability to run well in such circumstances is what makes a running back a great one. ALL the great backs ran against stacked boxes.
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
[quote]Dr. Pangloss wrote:
[quote]aliceinchains wrote:
he averaged more yards per game than any back in history. Jim and Barry are the only guys in NFL history to average 5 yards a carry. So even if he took a loss on some runs he still averaged 5. The reason he had some bad games in his career, is because the box was stacked 8 against him every down. Defensive coordinators gameplanned for him and him only when the lions came to town[/quote]
You sure those DC’s didn’t have to take 4x Pro-Bowler Herman Moore and Brett Perriman into account? Moore and Perriman were the first pair of wide receivers to have 100 catches apiece in the NFL. The were also the first pair to put up 1400 yards each in a season.[/quote]
Not to mention the fact that the box is stacked against all great running backs on virtually all downs. The ability to run well in such circumstances is what makes a running back a great one. ALL the great backs ran against stacked boxes.[/quote]
0_o DB’s back. Interesting.