Let me preface the following by saying that most drugs are not totally useless and deadly, not even MDMA. I was working at GNC last year and this professor who came in was talking my ear off about this study done at my university. It was done to assess the efficacy of MDMA treatment for post traumatic stress disorder. I really didn’t care too much since I would probably never prescribe it if it were sold as a prescription (is it?). The study showed promising results because patients were able to feel at ease enough to relive the traumatic events in order to undergo psychotherapy. I personally would opt for something with less side effects, but there are clinical indications for just about anything. Freud gave his patients cocaine, and hospitalized patients require narcotics for pain control. Obviously, taking MDMA and raving till dawn every weekend will make you an E tard. I love that.
Ok, I could care less about what drugs you use and shit but I did get offended on one thing: I was went to a Yeshiva for 10 yrs, was to Israel 5 times for a total of 6 years, and am part of one of the biggest Jewish communities in Pennsylvania (that’s a state in USA, by the way), and I NEVER heard shit like “If you lived here, you’d understand why I do drugs.” I never did anything. I do have friends that have done some stuff but AT MOST it’s once/twice a year and that shit pretty much stops once they reached 22/23 years, and that INCLUDING countless of Israeli friends. We’ve all been to Israel, lived on Kibbutzim, and shit like that, so again what the fuck is this all about “if you live in Israel…”? Care to explain?
“I was in yeshiva”
how about:
army?
life in Israel?
anyway tats my opinion about life in Israel. you are not a regular here and have where to go back. you dont need to go 30 days a year to the army. you dont feel the stress - good for you.
BTW I dont do drugs (including alcohol) more then 20 times a year, tops.
Are trying to tell us the life of an Isreali is so doomed that resorting to drugs for an escape is necessary? Well quit killing Palestinians and running over Americans with bulldozers and maybe you wouln’t have such a defeatist attitude.
Just an observation.
It seems to me that quite a few, if not most, of the pro drug posters have a “life sucks” attitude and are extremely defensive and quick to take umbrage. I wonder which came first; the attitude, which lead them to escapism thru drugs, or the drugs, which lead to the poor attitude? There also seems to be a difference in attitude between the drinkers and the druggies. Between the two goups, the drinkers seem to be happier with life. I wonder if that is reflective of the difference in the brain destructiveness of the two escape mechanisms?
I was just about to classify all Israelis as suicide bombers. Maybe he’s going to get high and do this? But wait, there are exclusions…
wow. how more missunderstood can I be…
I need a break from unsolicited moronic advice.
buy buy forum
thanks for the good times.
Glute- I am glad you did bring this up.
I think by now most people here know what this industry contains there in. Drugs are a present aspect. I can smell GHB ooozing out of some people’s skin …sick sick!
However I think that after reading most peoples reply the point is that if you are here on this forum that the idea is to be bettering yourself.
There is a fine line when it comes to uses of drugs what ever they be. Perscription, ect
I think that when we start to put any thing in to our body it will cause us to adapt in a certian way.
The drugs you speak of are of the most prefound kind that cause a “CHANGE” in our God (of your choice) give state.
I have a son so the risk that I think comes from that kind of escape is too great a risk to dabbel in.
I have seen what happens
life looses it’s joy in the little things
nothing compares to that augh inspired state.
there for most find depression kicks in and if your lucky and don’t find yourself in and around it for a month then maybe you have some time to recover.
I would say after watching those I love and have had open conversations with that it takes about 2-4 weeks till you start to feel better again. “more like yourself”
soo we are talking 2-4 weeks x 20 or so times…?
that is a great deal of your life this year you have spent at a less then optimal level…
I think some of the people here that are taking their time to say something to you
may be doing so because they care about you.
I know that is the case for me
It would be much easyer to hit BACK and look at something else
I don’t expect what I say to make a huge difference in your choices
I just wanted to say be carefull
Watch your state and try to look at it from the Observer point of view
that is it
oh… and son’t use your trainging as a way to rebuild the damage that is done by your “escape”
E~
Avoids Roids - good observation.
I think this thread is heading into a very bad area. The question never was what are the side effects of these drugs? How do you guys feel about people who use this/that drug? GS just asked all the people who do/have done drugs what ones they liked, and what new drugs are in. Seems pretty simple that if you don’t do drugs or have had bad experiences with them, then you have no answer to the question. BTW for all of you peolple who think that being born into a life where violence, poverty, lack of solid parental guidance, and oppression are no reason to see nothing wrong with getting fucked up (disconnecting) you are most likely hypocritical fools who are walking around with blinders on. It’s not a coincidence that places like I just described have high inc. of drug use.
I think the other thing Glute is that you have established a relationship here with us.
And for you you come on here and ask us to help you ---- or sit blindly by and watch a bunch of people reply on how to go about hurting your self that’s not fair.
I mean to think some of us wouldn’t care
this issue is close to my heart.
sorry but you posted on this topic.
And I am not a fence sitter
“I was just about to classify all Israelis as suicide bombers.”
I musta missed that fact…especially since most of the suicide bombings you hear are done by Palestinians. But that’s a whole other topic…Drugs in Israel are used at about the same rate as drugs in USA so blaming life in Israel is NOT the way to go. Army? So you’re telling me that everyone in the Army gets high to get through? And about me having somewhere to go back…As soon as I am getting out of college, I’m moving to Israel. I have relatives in Haifa so hopefully G-d willing I will be able to find a place there. But whatever, do what you want with your mind, I won’t change your mind and you won’t change mine about the Israeli lifestyle but I just hope that people who are not familiar with any Israelis won’t assume that they all get high/trashed.
No Israeli’s are suicide bombers. thats the other side… I stick to alcohol and weed personally. Im not a fan of the chemically created drugs or something that can kill you for a reason we don’t know of such as ecstacy.
I know next to nothing about current drug trends, but let me
tell you about some of my old favorites. First of all there
are endorphins. that natural high brought about by exercise
and also the great feeling when your muscles get a real
pump. Then there is Faith. Marx said that religion is the
opiate of the people, and he was right. Look into the eyes
of a Holy Roller or a Hasid dancing on Simhat Torah or a
Whirling Dervish. that’s ecstacy! and how about
Volunteering. Now that’s a real out of body experience. Work
at an AIDS clinic, be a scout leader, coach a kids soccer
team, help rehabilitate terror victims. Of course as with
other drugs this can lead to more potent drugs, you might
fall into a position of responsibility and that could mean
Power. Ask Bill Clinton about Power.The french have a saying
“Power is the best aphrodesiac”. Then there is Friendship.
To quote the Beatles "I get high with a little help from my
friends". I have never laughed so hard and so long and with
no hangover later, as I have at some dumb joke in the warm
glow of friendship. Then there is Lust. Lust is a short term
drug quick acting and quickly gone. It can also be
expensive, and people often don’t know their sources. Now
love, that is something different. It is psychidelic.
Colors, tastes and sounds are enhanced. It can change your
perceptions. How many times have you heard "I don’t get what
she sees in that guy." It can get you high as a kite, but it
can drop you into a pit of despair. These are all dangerous
drugs. They can effect your health. They can even kill you.
But oh the Highs!
Ok, now you are probably long gone GS but I have to say, you didn’t read my post all the way through AGAIN. I even offered up PM’ing me for any advice and direction towards good/bad effects from these drugs. Yeah I’ll try to direct you away from certain ones like E but I could have told you known ways to avoid as much damage from it as possible. Like taking prozac 2 hours before the end of the effects while also loading up on 5HTP the week before and after you do it. But instead you moved right on by without paying attention. I don’t think you really cared what others had to say, you just wanted to be cheered on while you went and got fucked up. Don’t come back then. I’m even of sound mind enough to try to help you even if you are going to do it, but you still didn’t care. I really shouldn’t have told you how to avoid damage like I did as you’ll probably take it to mean that’ll make it safe, which it doesn’t. I can’t just let someone go off and fuck themselves over without trying to help them. If you don’t listen, you’ll feel.
Please do not interpret Glute Spanker’s ignorant remarks about Americans as the kind uttered by all Israelis. He is one of a handful of idiots who was probably high when he wrote this, that’s all. Also, I don’t know too many people who “need” drugs because of the “situation” and the army. The only ones who do are the ones who have low self-esteem and zero willpower. Again, please excuse this moron.
Party drugs included… I am a recovered hippie, so I have experience with all except H and the newer stuff. Hands down the single most intense physical experience has to be crank. A good 1/4 bag (at least thats what it was back in the day- about 1/2 tsp) will keep you up for 24-36 hours, but the real payoff is in the initial rush. the feeling is similar (I have to give the male perspective - that’s all I have) to the first part of an orgasm, the “load” before you start shooting. Now take that and multiply it a 100 times, and make it last for 10-15 minutes. WOW. No wonder people get hooked. I saw more than one central TX boy and girl speed thamselves into the hospital or jail. To muliply the problem, we had a lot of open land, not many police that knew what was up, and copies of the recipe floating around everywhere. I swear, the shit make coke look like talcum powder.
you are a tool
Just looking for party drugs? Interested in entheogens? For party, depending on your area, a $10 speed ball could be Dilaudid (hydromorphone), OC/Percocet-type (oxycodone and oxycodone/apap mix respectively) or Numorphan (oxymorphone) with Adderall, meth, or other amphetamine/methamphetmine/salts of both mixtures; I hear this speed ball is a much better value than the traditional heroin/black tar + coke and feels like a constant orgasm for 8+ hours. I don’t know much about party drugs. If you are interested in entheogens, I have some knowledge there and will try to help.
Mamman, I didn’t read all the posts to see if yours was replied to or not, but ‘wet’, which is called weed with enbalming fluid is really PCP. I’m not sure why/when they started calling it enbalming fluid. In areas without crack laced weed, it is sometimes called ghetto weed. It is a bad idea. Dissociatives are probably the most harmful class of drugs. DXM (usually in the form of CCC or Coricidin Cough & Cold) is a popular party drug now, but a VERY bad choice; the CPM can be deadly in amounts nessecary for a 3rd plateau (not a party dose) dose of DXM from those pills AND contributes significantly to brain lesions.
I’m in the army, therefore I need drugs.
I live in Israel, therefore I need drugs.
I talk about training one minute, then party drugs the next, therefore I need drugs.
I live, therefore I need drugs.
I’ve never understood the rationale behind purposely destroying a person’s body for a short term “high”. No excuse is valid for this.
Oh and I did know that Israelis aren’t suicide bombers. It was a generalization about the region, just like he generalized every American.