Actually I have been lurking on the forum for some time, I just haven?t felt like posting before because I had nothing important to contribute. Most of you know, or at least pretend to know, a lot more about training/nutrition than I do.
There is a wealth of information on this site but also some unbelievable naivety. Many people just seem to ?shoot from the hip? when on chat boards, instead of just admitting they don?t know. I guess it is entertaining to respond to someone by just telling them their opinion is “gay” or “stupid”??
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XTC is crap! Fuck that drug! It has no positive qualities. You are walking on thin ice by posting this here. I will put in my two cents: I’ve experimented quite a bit but never took to any drug except for marijuana. I’m glad I no longer smoke it regularly, in fact it’s been quite a while now. I work with people who smoke pot and I am starting to see what non-potheads saw of me- a fucking high strung, unorganized, emotional retard. The only other drug I might consider doing again is GBL but that is the last thing on my mind and should be the last thing on your mind too if you want to maintain your physical and mental health. If you need drugs to dance with some gorgeous woman who you don’t even know her name then you may have a problem. Take life plain and simple and just grab some willing hotties asses if you want to get high.
Kieran, MDA predates MDMA not the other way around. In fact MDMA is in what is considered the MDA subclass and produces some of the same effects, though MDA can make you hallucinate where as MDMA supposedly does not in pure form. MDA is also related to some naturally occuring analogues, one of them being miryisticin found in nutmeg. MDA is also related to STP and last I heard that drug made people walk out of 10 story high windows. MDMA was also produced by a pharmaceutical company in Europe during the 40s and was marketed to middle aged women as a fat burner. I think the company was Sandoz. They discontinued production when scores of these women began showing side effects from long term use- massive mood swings, dizzy spells, stroke. I have no problem with intelligent experimentation but very few people here have sited accurate research on these drugs. I will tell you from living that bullshit life for a few years, recreational drugs are bullshit. Anyone trying to pass them off as safe is addicted to them and may not function without thier use because thier brain is now fried. Smoke pot and drink alcohol rarely if you have to do drugs. I don’t even accept perscritions from Docs anymore. One tried to perscribe me Vicodin for an injury and I told him no, I’d throw it away as I’ll heal much faster without it, and I did.
Perhaps you are right. It has been some time since I was into all that stuff so you might be right. I know that MDMA was also used as a counselling drug in the 70’s…
Also, to those thinking that E is fun, you might want to read this study: http://mdma.net/toxicity/ricaurte.html
…the evidence is starting to stack up pretty high that MDMA can cause some pretty harsh neurological damage over time.
What the F@#$ ever happen to beer? It’s cheap, it’s cold, and it makes ugly women attractive. I always thought of recreational drug users as pretentious lazy putzes that felt they were to good to have a cold one.
Back when I was young, we had beer and were damn glad to have it! We didn’t go for those fancy shmancy drugs. Nope, just beer. Frosty cold beer. Swedish bikini tastes great less filling beer.
I could lower my IQ and act stupid legally. With beer of course. Oh, iIalso salute my Canadian friends and thank them for their beer contributions. You guys rock. Hippies(recreational drug users) piss me off. Their damn Grateful Dead music, patchouli oil, raves, and vw buses are all part of a communist plot to undermine our youth. Or maybe not.
to RS: “a fucking high strung, unorganized, emotional retard.” you just described one of my ex-friends that was on probation for a year…for pot…and is now back to smoking pot regularly since he’s off.
I was the same way two years ago, back in high school. But then I reached firmly around my neck, and gave quite a nice tug and popped my head clear out of my ass. I do it once in a great while, nowadays. Beer is just fine, thank you.
I enjoy opium on occaision, black tar smoked from a water piece similar to pot. Doesn’t fuck with your perception like pot and smells like incense when it burns, and you dont zonk out like when stoned. Other than that idk, sex always felt good after weed.
Kieran - With all due respect, I don’t base my opinions about drugs on those cheesy public service announcements or after school specials. I go by what I see in real life. When I see 35 yr old guys with their hearts blown up like balloons because they shot speedballs and drank heavily for 10 years, it makes me not want to do it. I was just saying that most people don’t see the ugly long term effects first hand. It’s a harsh reality. My friends that are coke heads want to be gangsters like Tony Montana but they live in their parents’ basements. How glamorous.
StevenF isn’t it crazy how when you are a pothead you think you are totally relaxed all the time and the world is great. Next you stop smoking, clean up, and see others smoking. You then realize that when these people are put into any stressful situation they start running around like chickens with thier heads cut off. One particular girl whom I work with is nasty ass fat because of pot anyway. Then she forgets shit all over the place and gets all in a huff about the stupidest things. She’s got the worst attitude about helping people and she has no leadership abilities. Not to mention pot makes some people feel the need to lie about shit that isn’t even significant since they are paranoid as all hell. I think the occasional smoke is no big deal, and those that do this are pretty well rounded successful people. Those that smoke all the time, like the old me, are fucking dumb assess.
Isnt it typical…
Im going to rant a little about americans(or canadians same to me). any of you who don’t fall into my description - well don’t respond, this post is not for you.
the typical american… growing up as a clueless individual, becoming a clueless pothead/drunkhead, then becoming a clueless dogmatic yappy(sp?)/redneck.
listen RS/stevenF/others. YOU were miserable potheads. not me. don’t throw your failures down my alley. I am also not a heavy user or even a light user of anything - be it caffeine, alcohol, and certainly E or weed. I just like to know stuff, possibilities and sometimes to try them. I never had time to be a pothead. I havent drunk a cup of alcohol till the age of 18 and then I was 3 years in the army(you know, real army) and then on to having a job, saving money for university, and then finished my degree…
wait a minute… Im responsible, mature, and talk about drugs! when you hear drugs you think hippy, what an ignorant stereotype.
you all sound like copies of one another. that is so sad.
all the others stop preaching about heavy drug use please I said no preaching… I just wanted info.
K thanks for coming to my defence, they are not concious enough to know that they are probably addicted to something themselves, just as brain frying like TV ore something else, on the other hand I am only addicted to knowledge and consuming it.
S-man, you’re losing a lot of respect the more and more you post on this thread and insult people.
First of all you stereotype American, while attempting to justify it by saying that if we don’t fit your description, then it doesn’t apply to you. What a load of shit. Don’t tell me what a “typical” American is. You’re no better off than somebody saying that the typical Asian person is…, and the typical black person is…, but I’m not talking to the exceptions! Sorry man, but that crap doesn’t fly.
You asked a question and “told people not to lecture”. Guess what? It’s not up to you as to how everybody responds. Each person will respond how they choose. When you own your own board and can dictate the responses you get, things will be different. Until then, don’t post things unless you’re willing to hear what people have to say.
And some of us posted FACTS. It was just info that you didn’t want to hear. You’re more than willing to criticize others for their opinions and “closed-mindedness”, but you either can’t, or you’re unwillingly to see that you’re equally dogmatic in your own opinion. Hypocrisy is nothing good to see.
“Hey guys, I’m gonna shove a big needle in my left eye! I wanna know the facts about it. No lecturing me!”
I can’t wait until glute-spanker one day gets a bad batch of E and takes it. Then winds up in the hospital one night. I wouldn’t take drugs because of the dealers. How do u trust them. Not only that but drugs are bad for u in the end.
Best drug ever, you should really try it…lead. Dosage is one quarter ounce, taken orally stacked with a potassium nitrate, sulfur and carbon propellant.
It’ll be a high that you’ll never be able to duplicate.
sorry I lost your respect DocT. realy.
will you stop talking to me like Im some kind of hippy junkie you moron? dont you think I know all the shit youre telling me? do you have reading comprehension?
Im not writing here for respect, is that what I should be writing for? damn hypocrete.
and yes, thats your big nation. clueless. you got some great people there, but a lot of shallow ignorants as well.
Ok Glute-Spanker, notice how I said I was a dumb ass for doing it and how occassional usage of pot or certain other drugs was not a problem with me as long as you don’t use it regularly. Did you read all of my posts? I also didn’t see anything about you using these drugs regularly and therefor did not direct that comment at you at all. I even offered up some real facts on the history of MDMA and you still came after me. The only comment I had for you directly was that you were walking on thin ice here and that you needed to try and grab some hotties assess before doing drugs. Why did my honest responses ellicit a stereotypeing attack from you? I’ll give you straight up factual advice on what I’ve found on these drugs and what I have seen from first hand experiance. Ok, first off with MDMA- I’ve seen multiple people have serious side effects from one first time use. One friend became so worked up and scared his heart rate and blood pressure went through the roof. Another guy had problems getting an erection for about a month after his first try. Many people had permanent sleeping disorders from that point on rangeing from occasional disturbances to not being able to sleep without sleeping pills or hardcore muscle relaxers. Multiple people also had problems feeling statisfied from everyday accomplishments, in fact one girl said that after her first time trying it she had to do it again and again to feel happy at all. Another guy took it with an MAOI and ended up in the hospital, he was 18 and having his first heart attack. Two or three young girls had no ability to control thier emotions after thier first use, they would bust out crying at work for no reason as the feeling of no satisfaction in life destroyed them. I got factual evidence too and I don’t even need to site it since you can find it everywhere now. The big one is MDMA functions similarly to methaphetamines. It is so similar in fact that the same brain damage associated with meth has been found in MDMA users. They have also found that MDMA causes the brain to poison itself by allowing the wrong neurotransmitters to incompletely bind to the wrong receptors in some cases permanently. This makes that receptor useless while still bound. You can now find many places siting a measurable decrease in testosterone levels. Such a large drop that some people like that one young man who couldn’t get an erection for a month because his t-levels were so fucked out of normal. I can go on about other drugs if you like. Just PM me and I’ll give you what I know and have found. When I lived that life I looked into it deeply. I’m not some stupid redneck that went through some perscribed life and ended up just the same as every other 12 step program preacher. I stopped on my own with no help or support from anyone. No program showed me why smoking pot everyday is bad for you, I basically got bored with it and got lucky since I had no lasting damage. Next time you go insulting people who have some real advise to give think twice. You’ve done XTC and probably don’t have any serious problems, yet. I’d say from watching people that 60% get away with no damage done. But each time you do it you are spending your luck on something I believe is worthless. Hell I’d say even clean LSD is much, much safer than MDMA. I’m not a Nancy Reagan going around saying all drugs do the same things and they are all horrible. But I will say most of them have no clinical use and most of them are dangerous. Take each drug on it’s own merit and if you do you’ll find MDMA is one of the worst. I’ve done GHB and it actually has some evidence backing usage of it in releaving depression, increaseing appetite, and aiding in restful sleep. It’s even an effective aphrodisiac. But, if it isn’t cleaned properly it can damamge your brain as well. It can also stop your heart if you don’t know how much you are taking. Lastly it is highly addictive and can cause some serious withdrawl- to the point of overheating and stroke. I really like the stuff, I thought it was the “date rape drug” until someone had me try it and I loved it. I had a blast. But I looked into it and found the trade off. Most of the time the trade off is not worth it unless you have a problem meritting drug use, and then it becomes what is called “medication”.
One last point on our nation here. This is for most of the world actually: Our nation is so fucking big compared to most other nations that you should just consider it as multiple countries in one. Actually our nation’s name explains it outright, “United States”. When you go stereotypeing all of us you need to think about the raw size of this country and how many different cultures are in it. Especially since your own nation’s culture is most likely found somewhere over here as well. You are being represented in our country with your own exclusive neighborhoods, even your own exclusive cities and states to some degree. So when you blindly call us all ignorant you need to think about 50 little countries with thier own laws and thier own governing bodies that don’t even agree with each other all the time. I don’t see anyone taking England as a representation of the whole Europian Union. In fact a lot of you would be very insulted if us Americans did. So please give us our due respect and consideration.