First, you seem to be upset that Imus got sanctioned and fired and what he said was just light hearted promoting taken wrong. Then you are talking about how B-Hop should be rebuked. It almost sounds as if you don’t want the double standard to end, so much as the roles be reversed.
Personally, I think the double standard should end, but I don’t feel that what either said was that offensive or taken to heart. If you do find their provocative self promotion to be offensive, just don’t pay attention to them. Turn the dial.
Hopkins and Golden Boy were trying to make a fight, and in a big fight there needs to be a good guy and a bad guy. FI said it best, what B-Hop said sounds like something any pissed off kid from the Philly projects would say when they are being pushed and told they are going to lose. It looks like he got exactly the desired reaction: You were provoked, and in your first post expressed glee and jubiliation that “your” side won. He created his interest and got what he wanted. If you are truly offended, and want to show it, next time don’t watch it and don’t give it play.
I would like to hear from some of the posters on these boards that jump ALL over people who even hint at a racial comment.
Where is their outrage at BHop?
When I walked on to a D-1(lower level) football program it was quite prevalent…during drills some white guy would beat black guy in a race and that unfortunate fellow would catch shit from his boys all day.
And EVERYBODY thought it was funny…because white guys are supposed to be slow right?
The lesson as always…racism is everywhere, if you want to find it bad enough, you can find it.
[quote]Bauer97 wrote:
dk44 wrote:
Actually, I want out of this, I see this turing into Rev. Wright/Obama debate.
No problem there, nothing worse than a couple of white guys discussing race relations.
[/quote]
A bunch of Rappers explaining why they can use the word ni@@a.
Bernard’s comments don’t compare to IMUS’.
Can the class say… GENEVA CONVENTION. If IMUS would’ve said it about Teresa whetherspoon he might’ve got slapped on the wrist…maaaybe a tad more because the WNBA is still coming up, but he said it about a bunch of young innocent girls. In war you stay away from the innocent mothers and children. Many ignorant things have been said about Pro Athletes of all races, but you don’t say it about a bunch of kids.
Did you guys not see the coach of Oklahoma go off on the reporter for specifically dogging the quarterback in an article? Could you imagine if City papers started shitting on young kids who sucked in news papers?
You have the right to no longer be a fan of Bernard, but I just don’t see that comment being too bad.
The only people that got mad over all the comments dogging Tiger was the media, and his was alot worse then somebody saying no black(or mixed) boy is going to beat me.
From my years being involved in sports, which basically started as soon as I can walk up through playing college ball, the world of competitive athletics is simultaneously one of the least racist yet most stereotypical fields that exists.
When you play competitive sports, the first thing that is drilled into you is to anticipate, to read and react to your opponents and try to predict what they will do. You are basically taught to stereotype and to adjust that profile as the game goes on or as you see more of your opponent. As a poor kid who went to school in the suburbs I played in both the city leagues, where there would be MAYBE one white kid per team, and the suburb CYM leagues, where they would be MAYBE one black kid per team. Just doing that naturally teaches you to stereotype, if I was guarding a shorter, skinny black kid I’d give him a little room and try to force him to shoot the three and not let him drive. If I was playing a white kid with a bowl cut I’d play press defense right on him and not let him shoot and try to make him go by me. Of course, sometimes you profile wrong and then you adjust.
It also comes across as a general sort of vibe from the coaches through all of the players. When I was playing on teams from the city that were mostly black and we went up against one of the suburban teams there was always this unspoken (or sometimes spoken) vibe that we were just going to press and run them off the court. If you got crossed on by a white kid, you’d catch shit from the team. When I was on the opposite side of the coin, we always had the mentality that we were going to be “more disciplined” and “do the fundamentals better.” I don’t know if it’s a racial thing or a cultural thing manifesting as racial.
In sports you also look for every little edge to psyche yourself and give yourself confidence. If you put down somebody of another race, or background, or school or area of the country, whatever, that’s just what you do in your mind. At the end of the day though, most people in sports aren’t racist, they just care about winning. The last time me and my best friend went to the city to play at the park under the bridge I caught all types of shit for looking like a long-haired hippie and him for being a big goofy white guy. Once they found out we could play (he plays D1 and I was recruited by a bunch of D2 schools but decided to play volleyball in college) you better believe they didn’t care nearly as much about that as wanting to get us on our team.
The real problem is that people listen to these sports figures as moral guidelines or anything other than people who have been trained to do basically one thing in their life. Hopkins has trained his entire life to beat somebody until they’re unconscious, was it a big surprise that he’s got some hostile words to say about a white dude he’s about to fight?
If Barack Obama said he would never lose a presidential race to a white guy, I’m pretty sure the media would be all over it. I think in general people are smart enough to realize that what Hopkins says doesn’t really mean anything in the grand scheme.
I dunno, I’m just failing to muster up any outrage. He doesnt think a white guy can beat him? He’s not the first guy to suggest - or directly state - that the average black athlete is better than the average white athlete. This is one I’m just shrugging off.
EDIT to add: I agree with everything jtrinsey just said.
[quote]Donut62 wrote:
First, you seem to be upset that Imus got sanctioned and fired and what he said was just light hearted promoting taken wrong. Then you are talking about how B-Hop should be rebuked. It almost sounds as if you don’t want the double standard to end, so much as the roles be reversed.
Personally, I think the double standard should end, but I don’t feel that what either said was that offensive or taken to heart. If you do find their provocative self promotion to be offensive, just don’t pay attention to them. Turn the dial.
Hopkins and Golden Boy were trying to make a fight, and in a big fight there needs to be a good guy and a bad guy. FI said it best, what B-Hop said sounds like something any pissed off kid from the Philly projects would say when they are being pushed and told they are going to lose. It looks like he got exactly the desired reaction: You were provoked, and in your first post expressed glee and jubiliation that “your” side won. He created his interest and got what he wanted. If you are truly offended, and want to show it, next time don’t watch it and don’t give it play.[/quote]
First, you are making a number of assumptions. Allow me to clarify: The imus thing is an example of the double standard. I think I pointed that out clearly. I’m tired of the double standard. Remove the double standard, and you can offend away for all I care - I’m not thin skinned. I don’t care so much about what Bhop said as I do that he said it with impunity.
he didn’t create any interest for me; i like him as a boxer and would have been just as happy to see him win. and no, they didn’t get money from me and usually don’t. it’s not what i would classify as a compelling must see match up. in fact, i was in the casino, playing a hand of poker when it ended.
[quote]Airtruth wrote:
Bauer97 wrote:
dk44 wrote:
Actually, I want out of this, I see this turing into Rev. Wright/Obama debate.
No problem there, nothing worse than a couple of white guys discussing race relations.
A bunch of Rappers explaining why they can use the word ni@@a.
Bernard’s comments don’t compare to IMUS’.
Can the class say… GENEVA CONVENTION. If IMUS would’ve said it about Teresa whetherspoon he might’ve got slapped on the wrist…maaaybe a tad more because the WNBA is still coming up, but he said it about a bunch of young innocent girls. In war you stay away from the innocent mothers and children. Many ignorant things have been said about Pro Athletes of all races, but you don’t say it about a bunch of kids.
Did you guys not see the coach of Oklahoma go off on the reporter for specifically dogging the quarterback in an article? Could you imagine if City papers started shitting on young kids who sucked in news papers?
You have the right to no longer be a fan of Bernard, but I just don’t see that comment being too bad.
The only people that got mad over all the comments dogging Tiger was the media, and his was alot worse then somebody saying no black(or mixed) boy is going to beat me. [/quote]
I’m not measuring the comment against any made up standard or even against Imus’. I used imus to illustrate that a double standard does exist. you can defend the reaction to imus (and you have) but you have not rebutted that a double standard exists. that is my point. it needs to stop.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
I missed the fight on HBO Sat. night and have been googling like mad to no avail to find out when it will play again? Anybody know?[/quote]
You can download it off a lot of popular torrent sites. Otherwise you could watch it on streaming internet tv.
If your not measuring it against Imus’ comments how can you use Imus’ comments to show that it exists.
A double standard means one race can say something and another race can’t. What is this double standard you are saying exists and who is promoting it?
If you honestly think black people would call Sharpton if Pavlik said “no black boy is going to beat me” then maybe it’s not double standard your upset about but some deeply held anger towards the black race.
I damn sure didn’t hear anybody screaming double standard when the media was going crazy about Obama going to a church that a black reverend made a racial statement at 5 years ago.
Let’s be for real. Are you saying there should be a media circus for Bernards statement?
[quote]jtrinsey wrote:
From my years being involved in sports, which basically started as soon as I can walk up through playing college ball, the world of competitive athletics is simultaneously one of the least racist yet most stereotypical fields that exists.
When you play competitive sports, the first thing that is drilled into you is to anticipate, to read and react to your opponents and try to predict what they will do. You are basically taught to stereotype and to adjust that profile as the game goes on or as you see more of your opponent. As a poor kid who went to school in the suburbs I played in both the city leagues, where there would be MAYBE one white kid per team, and the suburb CYM leagues, where they would be MAYBE one black kid per team. Just doing that naturally teaches you to stereotype, if I was guarding a shorter, skinny black kid I’d give him a little room and try to force him to shoot the three and not let him drive. If I was playing a white kid with a bowl cut I’d play press defense right on him and not let him shoot and try to make him go by me. Of course, sometimes you profile wrong and then you adjust.
It also comes across as a general sort of vibe from the coaches through all of the players. When I was playing on teams from the city that were mostly black and we went up against one of the suburban teams there was always this unspoken (or sometimes spoken) vibe that we were just going to press and run them off the court. If you got crossed on by a white kid, you’d catch shit from the team. When I was on the opposite side of the coin, we always had the mentality that we were going to be “more disciplined” and “do the fundamentals better.” I don’t know if it’s a racial thing or a cultural thing manifesting as racial.
In sports you also look for every little edge to psyche yourself and give yourself confidence. If you put down somebody of another race, or background, or school or area of the country, whatever, that’s just what you do in your mind. At the end of the day though, most people in sports aren’t racist, they just care about winning. The last time me and my best friend went to the city to play at the park under the bridge I caught all types of shit for looking like a long-haired hippie and him for being a big goofy white guy. Once they found out we could play (he plays D1 and I was recruited by a bunch of D2 schools but decided to play volleyball in college) you better believe they didn’t care nearly as much about that as wanting to get us on our team.
The real problem is that people listen to these sports figures as moral guidelines or anything other than people who have been trained to do basically one thing in their life. Hopkins has trained his entire life to beat somebody until they’re unconscious, was it a big surprise that he’s got some hostile words to say about a white dude he’s about to fight?
If Barack Obama said he would never lose a presidential race to a white guy, I’m pretty sure the media would be all over it. I think in general people are smart enough to realize that what Hopkins says doesn’t really mean anything in the grand scheme.[/quote]
[quote]Airtruth wrote:
If your not measuring it against Imus’ comments how can you use Imus’ comments to show that it exists.
A double standard means one race can say something and another race can’t. What is this double standard you are saying exists and who is promoting it?
If you honestly think black people would call Sharpton if Pavlik said “no black boy is going to beat me” then maybe it’s not double standard your upset about but some deeply held anger towards the black race.
I damn sure didn’t hear anybody screaming double standard when the media was going crazy about Obama going to a church that a black reverend made a racial statement at 5 years ago.
Let’s be for real. Are you saying there should be a media circus for Bernards statement?[/quote]
It’s not about Imus…it is about perspective.
The double standard is real and if you cannot see it you are not looking very hard.
“Black” people would not have called Sharpton, he would have been picketing outside the event on his own and calling for Pavlik to issue a public apology. If you do not think that all hell would break loose if the roles were reversed they you are naive.
In regards to Obama, those statements were not 5 years ago they were this year… and that Reverend is Obama’s “Spiritual Advisor” and has appeared at many rallies at Obama’s side. I am voting for Obama but their relationship is relevant.
Finally, there should not necessarily be a “media circus” for Hopkins comments, but they should be noted for what they are…racist.
I don’t see why Imus can’t say what the fuck he wants, why B-Hop can’t say what the fuck he wants, and why Joe fucking Blow can’t say what he wants.
Let the consumer decide. If you like Imus you will keep listening, if you like B-Hop you will keep watching (or if you hate him you would still watch in hopes of him losing). If you want to hear Nas say “fuck whitey” then go buy his CD and listen to it until you go deaf, and the same goes for David Allen Coe.
Both sides get to pissy about this shit. I can understand people questioning Obama and his pastor, since he is running to represent all people, but fucking Hopkins, Imus, and the rest of these morons don’t represent shit so who cares.
[quote]jtrinsey wrote:
I think in general people are smart enough to realize that what Hopkins says doesn’t really mean anything in the grand scheme.[/quote]
The existence of this thread suggests you’re probably wrong about that.
[quote]dk44 wrote:
I don’t see why Imus can’t say what the fuck he wants, why B-Hop can’t say what the fuck he wants, and why Joe fucking Blow can’t say what he wants. [/quote]
Freedom of speech was abolished… didn’t you get the memo?
[quote]UtahLama wrote:
Airtruth wrote:
If your not measuring it against Imus’ comments how can you use Imus’ comments to show that it exists.
A double standard means one race can say something and another race can’t. What is this double standard you are saying exists and who is promoting it?
If you honestly think black people would call Sharpton if Pavlik said “no black boy is going to beat me” then maybe it’s not double standard your upset about but some deeply held anger towards the black race.
I damn sure didn’t hear anybody screaming double standard when the media was going crazy about Obama going to a church that a black reverend made a racial statement at 5 years ago.
Let’s be for real. Are you saying there should be a media circus for Bernards statement?
It’s not about Imus…it is about perspective.
The double standard is real and if you cannot see it you are not looking very hard.
“Black” people would not have called Sharpton, he would have been picketing outside the event on his own and calling for Pavlik to issue a public apology. If you do not think that all hell would break loose if the roles were reversed they you are naive.
In regards to Obama, those statements were not 5 years ago they were this year… and that Reverend is Obama’s “Spiritual Advisor” and has appeared at many rallies at Obama’s side. I am voting for Obama but their relationship is relevant.
Finally, there should not necessarily be a “media circus” for Hopkins comments, but they should be noted for what they are…racist.[/quote]
well put; thank you. he doesn’t “get it”. obviously.
[quote]dk44 wrote:
I don’t see why Imus can’t say what the fuck he wants, why B-Hop can’t say what the fuck he wants, and why Joe fucking Blow can’t say what he wants.
Let the consumer decide. If you like Imus you will keep listening, if you like B-Hop you will keep watching (or if you hate him you would still watch in hopes of him losing). If you want to hear Nas say “fuck whitey” then go buy his CD and listen to it until you go deaf, and the same goes for David Allen Coe.
Both sides get to pissy about this shit. I can understand people questioning Obama and his pastor, since he is running to represent all people, but fucking Hopkins, Imus, and the rest of these morons don’t represent shit so who cares. [/quote]
I actually agree very strongly with this. However, I take exception with minorities having free license to make these comments, in humor or otherwise. I take exception to the obvious double standard. Listen to black radio sometime or watch a black comedian and you will see this double standard at work. Yes, I can change the station if I want - I know that. That’s NOT the point.