I think that long term users benefit from both the cumulative effect and learning curve.
How much did you add to your total all told?
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Dude this is awesome!!! Such a huge milestone!! Did you get it on video!? Not asking you to post it here, but o hope you did just for you to have.
I feel this so deep in my soul. I have noticed 101% exactly zero difference between being on blast or being on TRT. Idk if I just haven’t found that magic drug or drug combo, or my body just doesn’t mesh well with them, but I am throughly disappointed lol
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Before trt, I could do about a 450-460 squat with wraps, a 330ish bench and about 500 deadlift. With trt I got to to 507 wrapped squat, about 350 lb bench and a 550 deadlift. I haven’t squatted heavy in awhile since I haven’t competed much, and squats have always been really weird for me. I did squat in training for most of my time though, but in sleeves. The three blasts I’ve done (the first one was hardly a blast, 325 mg test and a bit of var at the end), got me to a 405 bench and 600 dead.
Maybe training and diet were not on spot enough? I guess from what I’ve heard, I was expecting those results in the first blast.
I guess I don’t want to pay the piper if I keep going.
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This plays through my head often. It can’t be worth it.
Also it looks like you’ve hit 405 before? Didn’t know that lol
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Yeah, I got it on video. It is ugly lol. My back cramped badly half way up.
Yeah, I would have likely made some progress without blasting. Maybe a 375 bench and 575 deadlift. Just not worth it for me. I question diet training, but I think it’s likely just not for me. I’m developed by normal people standards. Just being lean will go a long way. I guess I’m just going after different goals that steroids won’t help all that much with.
I have not. Unless I typed a 1 instead of a 0 lol. Best before this was 395.
I miss read this and took it as the first blast got you to 405 but now o understand!
Ever thought about trying any of the more hardcore forbidden fruit? Sdrol, tren or deca/npp?
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Thats a good addition to each lift and total, but I wouldnt either.
It was a loong time ago, and I could be misremembering badly, but I remember Dave Tate and Mark Bell talking about steroids being like your ace up the sleeve, specifically for strength. Like you play that card and you get what you get. They were both reflecting with some incredulity about how and when some other powerlifters played it. Like, they thought a few people had been using for a long time and it turned out that they hadnt been.
Also anecdotal as hell, but they seem much better for physique gain/sub strength than strength/sub physique.
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I did a few days of anadrol. I think that counts as hardcore?
I’m sure using more or harder stuff would result in better gains. How much better, I don’t know. I guess I don’t want to look back at 50 and wish I hadn’t been stupid. I think my use if I really cut back to trt or perhaps trt with short mild oral use, isn’t very high, and is unlikely to bring terrible outcomes. I could be wrong, but more gear long term is more likely to be bad news.
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I’ve heard this too. I think it’s true for most people. I do know some genetically gifted individuals that have progressed a long time on gear. But mostly by becoming big, almost bodybuilder guys.
I agree with this. The guys I’ve seen be successful long term have used gear to get really big. I don’t know if that’s in my genetics, possible I’m just not willing to eat and get big but fat to put that size on. I haven’t been hungry in months, and my weight has been fairly stagnant at 215-220.
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Yeah. My one cousin was one of those d-bol dynamos in the 80’s and has continued (kinda had to) using since, but moderately.
He was a big dude when I was a kid. Now though, he looks like a real life Thanos. Farkin massive.
His goals throughout have been primarily physique.
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Does he share heart genetics with you?
For the most part my family has good heart genetics, but my mom’s dad died at 56 of a heart attack, and my mom’s brothers are both alive and older 58, and 69, but the younger is on heart meds and the older one should be. My dad’s side have really strong hearts. I don’t really want to roll the dice more than I have.
As vain as it sounds, a big factor is hair. I don’t want to blow out my hair for gains on rent. Basically, being artificially big for a period of time at the cost of my hair.
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Nope. He’s from the good side, or at least the side that lives longer. Another poster a while back said something that made me chuckle out of resembling the remark “All of the sides of steroids without the benefits”.
Yeah, I dont blame you. I dont know how exactly it weighs in, but that is some close history.
How old are you now? Mid 30’s rings a bell for some reason, but I screw that up even with people I’ve been friends with for 20 years.
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Now theres one area where I excell. Must be naturally produced hairoids.
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Yeah, that’s kinda true in regards to the heart.
I’m 34. I haven’t had any health issues. I’m not saying I’ll never touch anything but trt dosages, but this one was close to a gram of test (875 a week, with tbol at the beginning and end, and a few days of anadrol).
It is true it’s fairly close. All of my other grandparents had longevity. My dad’s dad made it to 84, but started chain smoking at 14. Luckily he quit at 70. Dad’s mom made it to 91. Mom’s mom is still going at 90. My mom’s siblings are all still alive. Youngest is 58 oldest is 69.
I actually believe I have above average genetics for hair. Blasting is very hard on the hair though. A year in blast seems to be like 5-10 years natural for your hair.
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Mines hard to trace due to mom dying young from suicide, so unnatural, Dad from drinking/cancer, moms side grandma from accidental death/drinking, her dad from complications of accident/drinking, dads side grandparents- grand father black lung/stroke/heart failure, grandma- heart failure/natural cause at 87.
But me & siblings are 5 for 5 on high blood pressure & hypercholesteremia, me being the youngest having a heart attack at 47, but we’re all within 7 years of each other.
So proof->pudding!
Uncanny thing with me is that I’ve been “asked” about steroid use since early teens onward but have only ever used a couple rounds of Mag-10.
I dont know if that is really a reflection of me and my build or of what people believe about da juices.
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Take away, take care of your heart and control the booze.
I got asked here and there before trt or blasting. More so when I was less muscular and lean. Got asked if I was juicing at the urinal the other day. Kinda weird.
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I suck at both! 
Some people can be far to forward at the worst possible time. 
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I am playing around with shit looking for my old libido. Dont know for now what was it that made me like that, but id like to return to that point for a bit.
I tought it was tren, so i started 300 test and 100 tren. Nothing. Lowered test, upped tren - all i got was crazy depression. Upped the test twice, so now i was at 400 test and 200 tren - nothing.
I also dont feel like tren is doing anything. Ok, sure, i am bulking 4 days a week and cutting 3 days a week, so its basically a bit of something and nothing in the end, altho i am losing weight slowly, which is going good.
But still, i was hoping for some of the tren agression and its not there, so i am stopping tren, as i dont see the point to take it.
Maybe when i go full bulk mode ill just finish it up with a high dose for whatever weeks(3-4) i have it left over but for now i dont see the point. Will up the test instead. Who knows, maybe my libido was just test. It sure aint tren…at least not 200mgs.
About what you are saying and results - if you aint gaining weight you aint gaining muscle, imo. Thats why i went full piggy. I dont think, us - regular people, can do the lean bulks and clean bulks. We need to get stupid fat and then cut and thats how we gain 5lbs of muscle, haha 
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I’m not sure if it’s worth it for me at this point. I love the training, I love being fairy strong, but I’m not sure if I’m willing to spend my 30s mostly being chubby to lift some bigger numbers. I’ll probably get a bit stronger, but looking lean is kinda higher priority now, especially after being chubby most of my 20s and early 30s.
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Yea i get it…i was very lean for like 5 years so now im ok to be a bit fatter and not stress about it
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