Two things I enjoy as a sort of dessert are cinnamon tea with some coffee and large spoon fulls of coconut cream and cocoa powder mixed with melted coconut oil frozen or refrigerated into molds.
Would it be cool if I carried olive oil around and sipped it all day?
[quote]Ct. Rockula wrote:
Would it be cool if I carried olive oil around and sipped it all day?
[/quote]
just make sure to have a toilet w/ you too
[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
[quote]PB Andy wrote:
[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
there’s a big fucking difference between exposure and excess. Fuck people.
15-mins of sun bathing is exposure and good, 15 hrs is excess and bad.[/quote]
from a John Meadows article:
Limit overall carb intake. Excessively high carb diets decrease insulin sensitivity. The relationship between insulin levels and insulin sensitivity is nonlinear, meaning that high carb intake, even within normal ranges of insulin release, can cause a large decrease in insulin sensitivity. Increased insulin levels cause the metabolism to get “stuck” in carbohydrate-burning mode by activating the expression of genes for carb metabolism and down-regulating the expression of genes for fat-oxidation.
The average person has around 350-400 grams of glycogen reserves in muscle tissue, and another 100 grams or so in the liver. If the extra carbs are not burned for immediate energy, they’re converted to triglyceride and stored as bodyfat.
Don’t misinterpret this as a “carbs are bad message.” Again, excess carbs are the culprit.[/quote]
Don’t get me wrong. Excess carbs are the root of numerous health issues, not just T2 diabetes. And the avg American would do themselves a huge favor to cut that shit down.[/quote]
Excess REFINED carbs or excess CALORIES, perhaps.
Well, anything in “excess” is almost, by definition, not good for you, but let’s not kid ourselves that individuals consuming excessive amounts of fat are doing themselves any favors, either.
High carbohydrate diets have worked just well for many cultures throughout history… despite what Taubes insists.
[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
[quote]Ct. Rockula wrote:
Would it be cool if I carried olive oil around and sipped it all day?
[/quote]
just make sure to have a toilet w/ you too[/quote]
Why? I don’t create waste…
[quote]anonym wrote:
[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
[quote]PB Andy wrote:
[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
there’s a big fucking difference between exposure and excess. Fuck people.
15-mins of sun bathing is exposure and good, 15 hrs is excess and bad.[/quote]
from a John Meadows article:
Limit overall carb intake. Excessively high carb diets decrease insulin sensitivity. The relationship between insulin levels and insulin sensitivity is nonlinear, meaning that high carb intake, even within normal ranges of insulin release, can cause a large decrease in insulin sensitivity. Increased insulin levels cause the metabolism to get “stuck” in carbohydrate-burning mode by activating the expression of genes for carb metabolism and down-regulating the expression of genes for fat-oxidation.
The average person has around 350-400 grams of glycogen reserves in muscle tissue, and another 100 grams or so in the liver. If the extra carbs are not burned for immediate energy, they’re converted to triglyceride and stored as bodyfat.
Don’t misinterpret this as a “carbs are bad message.” Again, excess carbs are the culprit.[/quote]
Don’t get me wrong. Excess carbs are the root of numerous health issues, not just T2 diabetes. And the avg American would do themselves a huge favor to cut that shit down.[/quote]
Excess REFINED carbs or excess CALORIES, perhaps.
Well, anything in “excess” is almost, by definition, not good for you, but let’s not kid ourselves that individuals consuming excessive amounts of fat are doing themselves any favors, either.
High carbohydrate diets have worked just well for many cultures throughout history… despite what Taubes insists.[/quote]
I don’t see too many people eating excess fat, alone… it’s along with carbs, where as carbs are often abused by themselves 
[quote]anonym wrote:
[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
[quote]PB Andy wrote:
[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
there’s a big fucking difference between exposure and excess. Fuck people.
15-mins of sun bathing is exposure and good, 15 hrs is excess and bad.[/quote]
from a John Meadows article:
Limit overall carb intake. Excessively high carb diets decrease insulin sensitivity. The relationship between insulin levels and insulin sensitivity is nonlinear, meaning that high carb intake, even within normal ranges of insulin release, can cause a large decrease in insulin sensitivity. Increased insulin levels cause the metabolism to get “stuck” in carbohydrate-burning mode by activating the expression of genes for carb metabolism and down-regulating the expression of genes for fat-oxidation.
The average person has around 350-400 grams of glycogen reserves in muscle tissue, and another 100 grams or so in the liver. If the extra carbs are not burned for immediate energy, they’re converted to triglyceride and stored as bodyfat.
Don’t misinterpret this as a “carbs are bad message.” Again, excess carbs are the culprit.[/quote]
Don’t get me wrong. Excess carbs are the root of numerous health issues, not just T2 diabetes. And the avg American would do themselves a huge favor to cut that shit down.[/quote]
High carbohydrate diets have worked just well for many cultures throughout history… despite what Taubes insists.[/quote]
true. In the end it comes down to whether if it’s processed or not, and how much of a ‘whole food’ it is. I recall reading a book by Jonny Bowden that compared a bunch of cultures that had drastically different macro-nutrient intakes… one’s main source was coconut oil, the other culture took in tons of rice or something like that. Both had very good health markers. It went into it a bit more detail than I stated but you get the gist.
[quote]PB Andy wrote:
[quote]anonym wrote:
[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
[quote]PB Andy wrote:
[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
there’s a big fucking difference between exposure and excess. Fuck people.
15-mins of sun bathing is exposure and good, 15 hrs is excess and bad.[/quote]
from a John Meadows article:
Limit overall carb intake. Excessively high carb diets decrease insulin sensitivity. The relationship between insulin levels and insulin sensitivity is nonlinear, meaning that high carb intake, even within normal ranges of insulin release, can cause a large decrease in insulin sensitivity. Increased insulin levels cause the metabolism to get “stuck” in carbohydrate-burning mode by activating the expression of genes for carb metabolism and down-regulating the expression of genes for fat-oxidation.
The average person has around 350-400 grams of glycogen reserves in muscle tissue, and another 100 grams or so in the liver. If the extra carbs are not burned for immediate energy, they’re converted to triglyceride and stored as bodyfat.
Don’t misinterpret this as a “carbs are bad message.” Again, excess carbs are the culprit.[/quote]
Don’t get me wrong. Excess carbs are the root of numerous health issues, not just T2 diabetes. And the avg American would do themselves a huge favor to cut that shit down.[/quote]
High carbohydrate diets have worked just well for many cultures throughout history… despite what Taubes insists.[/quote]
true. In the end it comes down to whether if it’s processed or not, and how much of a ‘whole food’ it is. I recall reading a book by Jonny Bowden that compared a bunch of cultures that had drastically different macro-nutrient intakes… one’s main source was coconut oil, the other culture took in tons of rice or something like that. Both had very good health markers. It went into it a bit more detail than I stated but you get the gist. [/quote]
Correct. Rea; food has never been a problem in the history of man, even carbs. However, carbs are abused in American society, and it ain’t too much plain oatmeal or lentils
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
[quote]XanderBuilt wrote:
How are you guys getting such high calories from fat? Oils? In your meals or as a supplement?
Are you also counting the fats that protein meats are prepared from?
TQ[/quote]
Most meat has fat in it. I seek out the fattier cuts of meat and cook it in such a way that I do not lose any of it. Eating chicken require eating the skin otherwise it’s too lean.
I pour olive oil or melted butter on all my vegetables, drink heavy whipping cream, and eat coconut oil by the tablespoonful. I can get up to 300 grams pretty easily in one day.
I avoid seed oils and supplement with a little fish oil.
Check this out:
Watched this last night and it appears that the Doc is advocating NO CARB UPs at all - similar to what Maverick88 is doing. Now I thought that carb ups were important for T3 (or 4?) regulation. Most low carb diets include a cycle of carbs.
Any thoughts?
[quote]anonym wrote:
[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
[quote]PB Andy wrote:
[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
there’s a big fucking difference between exposure and excess. Fuck people.
15-mins of sun bathing is exposure and good, 15 hrs is excess and bad.[/quote]
from a John Meadows article:
Limit overall carb intake. Excessively high carb diets decrease insulin sensitivity. The relationship between insulin levels and insulin sensitivity is nonlinear, meaning that high carb intake, even within normal ranges of insulin release, can cause a large decrease in insulin sensitivity. Increased insulin levels cause the metabolism to get “stuck” in carbohydrate-burning mode by activating the expression of genes for carb metabolism and down-regulating the expression of genes for fat-oxidation.
The average person has around 350-400 grams of glycogen reserves in muscle tissue, and another 100 grams or so in the liver. If the extra carbs are not burned for immediate energy, they’re converted to triglyceride and stored as bodyfat.
Don’t misinterpret this as a “carbs are bad message.” Again, excess carbs are the culprit.[/quote]
Don’t get me wrong. Excess carbs are the root of numerous health issues, not just T2 diabetes. And the avg American would do themselves a huge favor to cut that shit down.[/quote]
Excess REFINED carbs or excess CALORIES, perhaps.
Well, anything in “excess” is almost, by definition, not good for you, but let’s not kid ourselves that individuals consuming excessive amounts of fat are doing themselves any favors, either.
High carbohydrate diets have worked just well for many cultures throughout history… despite what Taubes insists.[/quote]
Actually, most diets throughout history were not “high carbohydrate”.
It would have been difficult for most people living off the land to get more than a hundred grams of carbohydrates per day. The Inuit practically got none - even when they were seasonally available they preferred animal fat.
Closer to the equator it get easier but without the technology of agriculture and refinement it is impossible to subsist off of a high carbohydrate diet.
Imagine trying to get 2000+ calories per day on whole unprocessed carbohydrate (no sugar, no flour, etc). One would be chewing like a cow all day long.
I still contend there are no adverse effects from eating a high fat diet as long as mono-unsaturated and saturated fats are chosen over poly-unsaturated fats.
[quote]alin wrote:
Watched this last night and it appears that the Doc is advocating NO CARB UPs at all - similar to what Maverick88 is doing. Now I thought that carb ups were important for T3 (or 4?) regulation. Most low carb diets include a cycle of carbs.
Any thoughts?[/quote]
Carbohydrates are only important for energy if you don’t eat fat - otherwise there is no need to eat them at all. In and of themselves carbohydrates do not provide anything but energy. Any micronutrition that could be found in carbohydrate rich sources could be found elsewhere in other more nutritionally dense foods.
What Phinney is advocating is nutritional ketosis. Once adapted to ketosis the brain does not need as much glucose because excess ketone production goes to brain support rather than muscular support. The small amount of glucose the body needs can be met by dietary protein.
the question is, is Dr. Phinney doing Mountain Dog Training? I think not!
I don’t really know how fats are processed by the body.
If my body breaks down, say, fish oil for energy… do I lose the omega-3 benefits on a cellular level? Or do I get to have my cake and eat it too?
What do you low/no carbs guys do post workout?
Do you eat liquid protein meals?
Has anyone here gained a reasonable amount of muscle with this kind of diet?
[quote]Musclemorse wrote:
What do you low/no carbs guys do post workout?
Do you eat liquid protein meals?
Has anyone here gained a reasonable amount of muscle with this kind of diet?[/quote]
This is when I would generally consume fruit, or even starchy carbs.
As for gaining reasonable amount of muscle, depends upon your definition of reasonable. For example, gaining 20#s is reasonable, but for a guy my size is not anything to write home about.
That said, I’ve had to cut back on my grocery budget, so I’m including more carbs than normal, extra fruit, a little bread, etc.
[quote]Musclemorse wrote:
What do you low/no carbs guys do post workout?
Do you eat liquid protein meals?
Has anyone here gained a reasonable amount of muscle with this kind of diet?[/quote]
I just eat real food. It is only possible to gain “a reasonable amount of muscle” by eating real food. Unreasonable amounts of muscle require anabolic substances
It’s hard for me to say how much muscle I have gained because I am still trending downward in terms of my absolute body weight but I have recently added 30 lbs to my front squat single since I last measured it.
[quote]LoRez wrote:
I don’t really know how fats are processed by the body.
If my body breaks down, say, fish oil for energy… do I lose the omega-3 benefits on a cellular level? Or do I get to have my cake and eat it too?[/quote]
Think of omega 6 and omega 3 as structural fats that the body would prefer not to use for energy but rather incorporate into cells for cellular functions. These fats are highly oxidative and therefore need to be bound to other chemicals to make them stable. In high doses they are toxic.
On the other hand, saturated and monounsaturated fats because of their chemical composition are stable and are oxidized two carbon atoms at time until only a water any glycerol molecule are left. This is a completely nontoxic reaction and therefore these fats can be eaten in abundance (except you will develop leaky ass syndrome if you eat too much).
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
[quote]LoRez wrote:
I don’t really know how fats are processed by the body.
If my body breaks down, say, fish oil for energy… do I lose the omega-3 benefits on a cellular level? Or do I get to have my cake and eat it too?[/quote]
Think of omega 6 and omega 3 as structural fats that the body would prefer not to use for energy but rather incorporate into cells for cellular functions. These fats are highly oxidative and therefore need to be bound to other chemicals to make them stable. In high doses they are toxic.
On the other hand, saturated and monounsaturated fats because of their chemical composition are stable and are oxidized two carbon atoms at time until only a water any glycerol molecule are left. This is a completely nontoxic reaction and therefore these fats can be eaten in abundance (except you will develop leaky ass syndrome if you eat too much).[/quote]
If I read that correctly… basically you’re saying “use saturated and monounsaturated for energy” and “don’t use omega 3s or omega 6s for fuel, because you won’t get the benefit for cellular function”.
Right?
The real key to a high fat diet, and in reality any fat in the diet, is the proper ratios of omega 3, 6, and 9’s. Not just haphazardly eating a shitload of good sources of fat. Unless you eating all grass fed free range animals with minimal dairy fat your not doing yourself justice. That or you need to supplement with seed oils in order to balance ratios
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
Actually, most diets throughout history were not “high carbohydrate”.
It would have been difficult for most people living off the land to get more than a hundred grams of carbohydrates per day. The Inuit practically got none - even when they were seasonally available they preferred animal fat.
Closer to the equator it get easier but without the technology of agriculture and refinement it is impossible to subsist off of a high carbohydrate diet.
Imagine trying to get 2000+ calories per day on whole unprocessed carbohydrate (no sugar, no flour, etc). One would be chewing like a cow all day long.[/quote]
Interesting contention, but I did not in any way state that most diets throughout history were high in carbohydrates. What I wrote was that many cultures have done just swell on that sort of diet (Pima, Kitava, Okinawans, etc).
But, even guesses into the diets of our “paleo” ancestors have them eating anywhere from 40 - 50% of their calories from carbs… with fat ranking dead last at “only” 20 - 25%.