I spoke to Crisler about this very subject personally. He almost joined our practice.
So you have posted labs nothing like this conversation started. Labs were posted of someones free T 250% above range you post yours on daily injections and only 20% above range.
So even though your dose is what we and others would consider reasonable based on your labs you can already see the detrimental effects of long term testosterone use.
If you are a hyper secreter, that is because your kidneys are expelling at a faster rate. Filtration rate. This is all covered in the literature I posted.
I also donāt see a lipid profile on you.
How about you shove the lipid profile up your delusional ass? I stated already that my lipid profile hasnāt budged in years. No point measuring it over and over again. I do labs on it on occasion now. I have menās labs with free T at 60 and E2 over 100. There are tons that have been posted in the group weāre in. There are NO DEMONSTRATED detrimental effects of testosterone at these levels! Can you understand that? None!
Guys, Iām out of here. This ghost is the dumbest, most delusional idiot Iāve ever encountered. Probably ever. He CANNOT even demonstrate who he is and he is dishing out advice? He is a useless fraud with a TRT mentality from the 1990ās.
If any of you want to message me, you know where to find me. Facebook, YouTube, the HOT group, anywhere. Just look up Danny Bossa. My name is all over the place and I have nothing to hide just like the rest of the people I associate with.
@Chris_Colucci you are doing yourself a disservice keeping an idiot like this on your forum whoās aim is simply to frustrate everyone on it. My advice: ditch the bitch.
Iām not arguing levels are not dropping in men and I am in complete agreement. The part that I donāt really get behind is that lab levels have been dropping for years. Yes they recently dropped and that is completely the insurance companies lobbying because they donāt want to pay out for a life time of treatment. But to me it is due to the prevalence of TRT now days and the televised prescription advertising making it more mainstream.Of course along with the declining numbers and we are now more aware of it. I really donāt think it was known enough for them to drop ranges before is it what I am trying to get at.
Show me that they have and ill eat my words
@rise80 wrong. They donāt want men to get healthy. They donāt want men to have inexpensive TRT to make them healthy. They want the population to be sick. Long term they can then be treated with the super expensive treatments and drugs because that is where the money is. If a population is sick, they will make money. If everyone is healthy, there is no money to be made.
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I think what your trying to point out is a hyper secreter of test could have something wrong with their kidneys?
K i can see that point also. But I still think it is a more recent thing.
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It is not about could, its obvious. Thats why it is happening. Now arguing about whether some doc is going to label it āsomething wrong with kidneysā may not be so, because it is not severe, yet. But if youāre in the know and understand what testosterone does to the body, you can see this happening in the lab work. This is how I knew he was a hyper secreter with very minimal information, you can tell by his ratios.
We have seen men in this position lower their dosage, and get higher TT and better free t ratio. And when I said better I donāt necessarily mean higher, I mean normal.
Remember signs of a poorly functioning kidney is being tired, fatigue. Thats why he needs so much T to āfeel goodā
Ok guys I am going to hang it up. If people donāt understand what I am trying to convey by now, they never will.
Honestly, Iāve found a lot of good info in a lot of posts in this threadā¦ The banter, name calling and all that other stuff is what really clouds the info here and is unnecessary.
No disrespect, but I feel like I watched my 11 year old and 9 year old argue about who has better Pokemon cards.
Keep the good info coming, but walk away from the arguments.
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Rubbish. So u are dx a kidney problem with @dbossa???
Metabolism of testosterone and medications in general vary. Liver, kidneys, geneticsā¦etc.
Wtf. You can then say this about all of usā¦
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Last thing before I go. Remember Crisler was a āhyper secreterā as well. God bless the guy for what he did for hypo men but after watching one of his videos if you canāt see the hypertension, he is red as a tomato, then you are blind. Being in the field of TRT for 10 years straight you see a lot of RIPās from abuse.
Adios.
PS: Stay #finree check your pet food product for shark meat it is laden with mercury and highly toxic.
Maybe. Maybe not. I have been red in the face from medications, cialis, wine etc. And my BP was normal.
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You have to stop making assumptions. This is why I canāt take you seriously.
You look at the skin color of Crissler and say he has hyper tension. Maybe he just got back from running a half marathon or from a vacation. Maybe he tried a tanning booth or was out in the sun all day.
He was a great intelligent thoguhtful doctor who was under the care of another doc. Surely they would of worked on that.
Regardless the man was of old age and sometimes thereās nothing we can do about genetics and our health on or off testostorone and medicine. Just because someone on trt has a health issue is not TRTs fault. Thatās what an attorney would do or someone who is out to win a case.
An intelligent provider would pause before making these assumptions.
When itās our time to go , well itās our time to go and nothing is going to stop that from happening.
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The ghost knows my kidney and liver function and weāve never met. Of course he does. Heās even had lunch with Napoleon.
The ghost assumes I would have a better T ratio at a lower dose. Yes, for sure. He even knows where we can find the unicorns and where the fairies hide the fairy dust.
The ghost fails to understand that I brought up dose gradually over several YEARS so, YES, I assessed every change I made over a long period of time. This is why he is an idiot because he makes assumptions from a position of not even being able to prove he even exists. I am in perfect health, I assure you.
SPOILER ALERT: Crisler was on a lot more than just testosterone. I actually know exactly what he was on. He was a walking pharmacy.
@enackers the man hung himself. It was his time to go because he chose that time, technically.
All I know is after watching this shit show play out, if I was looking for a practitioner/group to help me I would choose neither side of this mess. Jeez!
Yes I know. We just canāt be assuming as the story has been going on around here
@Chris_Colucci may I suggest you close this topic?
I was wondering what part could his prolonged AI use played in his heart condition?
Also what other medications he has been taking? I was very admired by his approach and dedications, but we all make mistakes. Especially when the personal life takes the best of us no hormone and drug can help.
I am not an expert in the field of hormones, but I am a business person that currently operates a unique business in the medical arena. People make decisions on their healthcare from these boardsā¦if I was to go back an reread the representations made by people representing certain businesses/practices/doctors, I would definitely have felt I just lost future patients over the lack of business etiquette and demeanor that has been displayed through this tirade. Sometimes you can win a battle and lose the warā¦stand up and discuss what you believe in with convictionā¦just donāt be an assā¦
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