Regardless of any of the arguing here, do you feel good on your dosage? Libido erections energy mood all great? That’s what should matter. If someone has to go above range to get these benefits, that is okay in my opinion as long as everything else is in check regarding health. If you don’t have to go above range to get the same benefits, that’s also okay. I’m nowhere close to an expert like yourself or Danny but that’s one of the things I’ve learned, go by how you feel.
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I have no remaining symptoms. I always run a full CBC and general blood health when I do labs. Everything is stellar on my end. I’m healthier now than I’ve ever been in my life. At 45! Wish I would have learned all this a decade ago.
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I totally agree, to an extent. But here is what happens, men increase their dosage and they feel good and their levels continue to build, no one needs to go that high to feel good.
This is why we use the approach of high dosage at first, then titrate down to put trough levels in the upper 1/3 of the range. Never once have I had anyone say they didn’t feel great. I want to screw 3-4 times a day. Most of the time when people say they don’t feel great, their T is too high and we have them lower their dosage and drop it in the top of the range and they feel better. This is why a lot of people feel good for a little bit on T, then it can go away.
The other day I got a call from a gentleman that used steroids for 5 years, he had just got out of the hospital had to put a stint in his left ventricle.
I asked him right away, did it happen when right when you stopped? He said yes. I knew this immediately because thats when it always happens. We are not talking out of our ass here, this is real stuff we have dealt with over the last decade.
Anyone who has been around since the beginning understands the benefits and positives of TRT come with a catch, you have to keep levels in physiological range.
We know this because this is why TRT was frowned upon for so long. Back in the 90’s you could go to the doctor, get a steroid cycle, and he would write you a script for half of it. You would come back half-way through and then if your labs were ok he would prescribe you the other half.
This is how testosterone got so controlled, cause the data on people who abused steroids showed increase in CVD risk.
It was not until Dr Morgantaler started doing PHYSIOLOGICAL dosages did the data change and now supported a decrease in CVD risk.
If you follow him, he is VERY clear about this.
Low testosterone is bad for you, but so is high testosterone. It is like anything in life, moderation.
The mendelian randomization study, which included nearly 400,000 middle-age men and women, found that for each unit increase of endogenous testosterone predicted by variants of the JMJD1C gene, the risk of heart failure in men increased nearly eight-fold (OR 7.81, 95% CI 2.56-23.8, P <0.001), reported C. Mary Schooling, PhD, of the City University of New York, and colleagues.
More Evidence for Testosterone-CVD Link
This is where all the confusion lies with @dbossa he is all or nothing. He doesn’t understand there are negatives to keeping your hormones out of physiological range, whether they are low or high it doesn’t matter.
Endogenous testosterone studies done on baseline men. Meanwhile when you give guys like this exogenous testosterone they improve.
You don’t understand the difference.
I have no interest in any further discussion with you. Address the others and I’ll do the same.
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It doesn’t matter they broke it down to per unit of T. There was a linear result. SOooo.
This matches studies on the dose-dependent relationship of T injections.
It DOES matter. Again, you don’t understand this. Every single time they give these men exogenous testosterone they improve. You are looking at baseline studies.
Please. I’m out. It’s not worth my time. As Dr Rouzier once said, “You can’t teach a pig how to sing.”
What do you mean by baseline studies?
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We want Real life examples and experience. Not the studies which have flaws.
How does male to female transgender have flaws? They are taking physiological dosages of estradiol, just like you lol
Wtf? Am on TRT not changing my gender.
God damn are you dumb.
They are giving people synthetic estrogens. Those found in birth control pills. Are you serious right now? You’ve been doing this for ten years? REREAD the text. Non synthetic estrogens are recommended. We don’t give women, or men, synthetic estrogens. We give them bioidentical estradiol. Of course they have adverse effects with the synthetic stuff!
Will you leave me alone? You have the IQ of tap water.
Oh right, cause injectable estradiol is synthetic I guess lol. So you believe injectable testosterone is synthetic right?
You know as well as I do, that once cleaved from the ester the body doesn’t know the difference.
You just posted that the other day lol Please don’t make me dig it up
We slam the drs that tell us “your within range” and don’t properly treat us because of the Damn ranges. And you @increasemyt are doing the same thing.
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@charlie12 in every single study where they administered exogenous estradiol the patient improved. I don’t know how else to say that. This half wit is providing every single study he can find that has nothing to do with any of this.
Find a study where they administered exogenous bioidentical non synthetic estradiol to a man or woman and it caused harm. There are no studies that demonstrate this.
Find a study where they administered exogenous testosterone to a man or woman and it caused harm. There are no studies that demonstrate this.
@dbossa you are absolutely right on this. Hope you stay in the forum.
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LOL there is no such thing as bio-identical injectables dude. You fell for the scam. Bio-identical is a marketing scam.
It just means that it is bio-identical in molecular structure, which it is, besides the ester, which is just a time release.
So now you don’t even understand what you are injecting lol
The study is very clear there is a high incidence of VTE in male to female. I posted that earlier, leg clots.
All testosterone is bioidentical. Doesn’t matter where it is from. The body can’t distinguish it.
Estrogens are a COMPLETLY different matter. I can’t believe I have to explain this to you.
Where did I mention bioidentical testosterone??? Nowhere, that’s where.