@markis655 it is this simple: if you have symptoms of low testosterone, especially if you’re over 40, take testosterone. Forget about labs. The only reference point that is important is free T. 30-60 ng/dL is optimal for ‘most’ men. I can’t tell you what your number would be. Take the minimum amount required to resolve symptoms. If numbers scare you, stop measuring them. Do daily or as close to daily administration as possible. It is literally this simple. No idea why everyone insists on over-complicating everything. Erase the notion of E2 from your brain as it is irrelevant. We don’t even measure it anymore. If you can adapt to this mindset you’ll be better quickly.
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Thing is I’m 24. The lower T is from varicocele. My free T is 12 hence why I feel so bad. Still might want kids down the road though, and I’d have to do self prescribed because no docs were willing to help me even when my T was half what it is now. For the next couple months I do everything I can to lose the rest of my weight and clean up everything possible, then recheck and consider symtoms but fuck it’s like a rock and a hard place
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Meant to reply to you there
At your age… I get it. More cons to the pros. Understandable. Most of the guys I deal with are 35+. Most docs I know won’t even deal with a 24 year old. It is what it is.
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I had a pre-trt E2 in the 40s. My symptoms were fatigue, no energy, drive & libido were diminished, weight gain, erections weren’t strong, didn’t feel like a healthy human should in his early 30s. Some of the symptoms were related to anemia which trt helped but were further helped with iron & B12. Had I known about the anemia I may have never gotten on TRT. I’m so happy I started TRT though because it has been life changing. I battle with depression and have since been able to get off wellbutrin. I have a very strong libido and no matter what time I wake up I’m saluting the flag (penis has become very patriotic since TRT). I have lost fat and gained a substantial amount of muscle mass. I feel good which is most important. I went a long time without feeling good. I personally think most everyone could benefit from TRT.
PS - I was about 20lbs overweight when I started and it helped me lose the weight. I’m now 5 lbs less than when I started and have much more muscle mass.
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The other side of it is though, I feel I can’t go for years feeling this way. And fertility should be recoverable should I decide to have kids. Don’t get me wrong I’m going to do everything in my power to get higher T and lose the symtoms, but if I have to do TRT to feel normal in the end, I will. It’s really a shame the situation I’m in
There is nothing stopping you from starting HCG or, better yet, HMG later on to get fertility back on track once you need to be fertile. You won’t be the first to have done it.
It’s a shame the situation that cancer patients are in. The good thing about you is you have a way to not only fix your problem but end up better than the average person mentally & physically. Do what you need to do to get there but if and when you do you’ll thank yourself. Fertility is very important to me and I’m not worried about it. Being in the medical field I’ve seen too many instances where people were declared unable to have kids and the right doc had them conceiving within 6 months.
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Yeah I’m pretty confident fertility isn’t a concern either. How old are you? Seems like we have the same symtoms too. My libido is way down, fatigue, brain fog/memory issues, weak erections/rare morning wood. I’m thinking if I don’t get symtom relief in the next couple months then I’m gonna have to try TRT. Can’t just live like this
I’m 35 now. Yeah I feel ya. I’m just happy I accidently stumbled upon TRT or my life would be much different.
Did you have any gyno issues before/during TRT? I have a decent bit of fat on my breast area despite not being that overweight. I don’t think it’s real gyno because it’s not sore and I don’t feel lumps under the nipples. It’s just another thing I’m worried about if I started TRT, don’t want that shit to turn bigger
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Yes had gyno when in early 20’s likely due to having used Paxil for a while and had it removed surgically. It came back to a lesser extent later on. Since getting on TRT I haven’t had any issues. I was deathly scared of it in the beginning and took arimidex but it caused to many problems so I dropped it and haven’t used anything since. I have nolva on hand for piece of mind and for when I eventually decide to do a cycle.
Yeah if I have to go TRT I’ll probably keep some nolva on hand. Thanks for all the info man I appreciate it
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Google aipct if you need to get some
@NH_Watts you have the exact numbers that most men feeling great wind up with.
Forget the numbers. How do you feel??
Your hematocrit is in range and you have what people here would call crazy high E2. Meanwhile, safe to say you feel great?
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From the bodybuilding community, where guys were taking enormous doses of multiple drugs. I imagine if someone were on a gram/week of test, tren, deca, dbol etc, maybe they do need some kind of estrogen control. But on a TRT dose? I say no. More importantly, actual experts in the field say no, and that the risks of AIs long term are severe.
Personally, I inject daily and have never taken an AI or suffered unwanted side effects. The smaller and more frequent the dose, the less aromatization and side effects, IMO.
A free t of 9 ng/dL is optimal?
I would say you have a testosterone deficiency. So would everyone else I deal with.
This is exactly what I needed. Thank you.
Um its 93 dude lol At its lowest point.