The materialization of the past state-sponsored religious illusion=the spectacle (the world in which the commodity exists as object-of-contemplation)=integrating readily the representation of the aforementioned illusion (the image of Benedict’s resignation)
Kamul is more or less correct
(I guess I’m not one to talk huh Fletch, but I couldn’t resist).
[quote]TyroneSlothrop wrote:
The materialization of the past state-sponsored religious illusion=the spectacle (the world in which the commodity exists as object-of-contemplation)=integrating readily the representation of the aforementioned illusion (the image of Benedict’s resignation)
Kamul is more or less correct [/quote]Your assignment for this week is to read this book and have a report ready by Friday. There are many valuable lessons there for you.
[quote]TyroneSlothrop wrote:
The spectacle integrates readily the representation of the residue of an image of the past state-sponsored religious illusion! [/quote]
huh? That’s made no sense.
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]pat wrote:
[quote]KingKai25 wrote:
[quote]pat wrote:
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
or announces resignation, due to advanced age. First Pope to resign in office for almost 600 years.
I’m not drawing any conclusions, but this is definitely huge news.[/quote]
LOLOLOLOL! ‘Advanced age’…yeah, right…whatever…
If they said the real reason, donations would fall off a cliff. To these people, money is their real God. The real reason will never be made public.
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And apparently relentless stupidity is your god.[/quote]
LOL That was definitely a good one.
Theologically, I don’t understand why in the world this would be a big deal, aside from the obvious fact that there will soon be a new pope. Does anyone really have a bone to pick with this? [/quote]
Not I. I wasn’t a huge fan of Benedict. He wasn’t particularly compelling in any direction, more of a seat warmer, IMO.
He was very conservative, yet had little follow through. For instance, he admonished the various sects of American Nuns who are too focused on ‘social justice’ and not enough on theology and some even chose said social justice over more important issues like life. I believe they get one shot to get on board or be dismissed. I am disappointed he did not take strong action.
I do not care that there aren’t that many nuns. They took vows to be obedient to God and the church, not to make up their own rules as they go along they don’t have that right. It’s fine if they have their own opinions and causes, but not as nuns. If they don’t like the rules of the church then they need to leave, plain and simple. It’s not a democracy. Acting as nuns they do more harm to the church then good. I would rather have zero nuns than bad ones. I consider it addition by subtraction.
He should have dismissed them outright when it became clear they had no intention to change.
He did not maintain the focus on building the church through youth like his predecessor. He did not evangelize and build Christian unity anywhere near enough like his predecessor.
He was very much an intellectual, focused on books and theology. That’s fine, that’s important, but spreading the gospel and reaching out to the world is more important.
I understand JP 2 was a tough act to follow, but I kind of considered Benedict somewhat of a lame duck Pope. He had the podium and could have done far more than he did. He maintained but did not advance the church much. We live in an age where it’s important to get the world to ‘Think God’ and whether or not you like the church or not, you have to admit the Pope is in a prime position to do that.
I don’t think Benedict was a bad guy or poorly intentioned, he was just long on theology and short on action. I think he was in over his head. JP 2 wasn’t afraid to rattle some cages and set people strait, Benedict seemed afraid to do that.
I hope the next Pope is a little more charismatic and focused on action. I am looking forward and will be praying that God grant us the right Pope to carry out His will on Earth.[/quote]
He’s the Vicar of Christ, God gave us him. And, I disagree he isn’t called the Pope of Unity for nothing. JPII had been trying to get Anglicans to jump ship. B16 did with a flick of his wrist. He has been trying to get back to Germany for 36 years, and well not quite Germany but he gets his books back.
Well, as long as you understand that this was my opinion only. Not a fact based assessment but how I saw it.
And I agree, God gave him to us. Perhaps God wanted a quite papacy for a while. I also agree he did good things, but I would have liked more. I would have like to see him go tour Africa and enliven that region that so desperately needs hope. I would have liked to see him reinvigorate European spirituality. He wasn’t that kind of Pope.
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
[quote]TyroneSlothrop wrote:The spectacle integrates readily the representation of the residue of an image of the past state-sponsored religious illusion! [/quote]Yer tryin way too hard to sound profound and brilliant man. There are some very sharp guys around here and I’m betting you are the only one who knows what the above quoted statement is attempting to convey in relation to this story. Please try again. I’m hopin you can do better. Don’t lemme down now.
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It’s Karado, you get what you get and it’s not going to be any brillient insight, but some off handed conspiracy based controversy with 2 lbs of fact and 98 lbs of bullshit.
[quote]TyroneSlothrop wrote:
The materialization of the past state-sponsored religious illusion=the spectacle (the world in which the commodity exists as object-of-contemplation)=integrating readily the representation of the aforementioned illusion (the image of Benedict’s resignation)
Kamul is more or less correct [/quote]
LOL! Wow…
[quote]kamui wrote:
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
[quote]TyroneSlothrop wrote:The spectacle integrates readily the representation of the residue of an image of the past state-sponsored religious illusion! [/quote]Yer tryin way too hard to sound profound and brilliant man. There are some very sharp guys around here and I’m betting you are the only one who knows what the above quoted statement is attempting to convey in relation to this story. Please try again. I’m hopin you can do better. Don’t lemme down now.
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It may be a post-situationist way to say “the show must go on”.[/quote]
The show always goes on.
[quote]pat wrote:
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
[quote]TyroneSlothrop wrote:The spectacle integrates readily the representation of the residue of an image of the past state-sponsored religious illusion! [/quote]Yer tryin way too hard to sound profound and brilliant man. There are some very sharp guys around here and I’m betting you are the only one who knows what the above quoted statement is attempting to convey in relation to this story. Please try again. I’m hopin you can do better. Don’t lemme down now.
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It’s Karado, you get what you get and it’s not going to be any brillient insight, but some off handed conspiracy based controversy with 2 lbs of fact and 98 lbs of bullshit.[/quote]I actually don’t think it is Karado Pat. I think it’s somebody who probably is a smart guy but who is more interested in bringing attention to the linguistic package he sends than he is actually communicating with anybody. It’s the old “if nobody understands me they’ll think I’m a gargantuan intellect” syndrome. Though I also do admittedly enjoy constructing fine packages for my thought, they are always designed so as to more manifestly advance their contents. I have not always been successful as some have pointed out.
Karado, if that IS you? Knock it off. One of you is enough.
All I have to say is that the masses must become dialecticians and inscribe their thought in practice!
[quote]TyroneSlothrop wrote:
All I have to say is that the masses must become dialecticians and inscribe their thought in practice! [/quote]
"Karado, if that IS you? Knock it off. One of you is enough.
In other words, yup.
[quote]pat wrote:
[quote]TyroneSlothrop wrote:
All I have to say is that the masses must become dialecticians and inscribe their thought in practice! [/quote]
"Karado, if that IS you? Knock it off. One of you is enough.
In other words, yup.[/quote]
I pretty sure he is not Karado.
Because i’m pretty sure that Karado could not come up with this kind of phraseology to save his life.
Tyrone is probably just someone who have read a few dangerous books.
Books i probably read too.
Books most of you would label as “far left propaganda”.
[quote]kamui wrote:
[quote]pat wrote:
[quote]TyroneSlothrop wrote:
All I have to say is that the masses must become dialecticians and inscribe their thought in practice! [/quote]
"Karado, if that IS you? Knock it off. One of you is enough.
In other words, yup.[/quote]
I pretty sure he is not Karado.
Because i’m pretty sure that Karado could not come up with this kind of phraseology to save his life.
Tyrone is probably just someone who have read a few dangerous books.
Books i probably read too.
Books most of you would label as “far left propaganda”.
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I’m not Karado
I just read a lot of marxist literature or “dangerous books” or “far-left propaganda”
And am just playing around with a relatively small association of pseudo-living slaves engorged on the totality of abstract representation that
passes for an environment
And if you read a lot of marxist literature and understand it the wording I am employing is easily comprehensible.
I guess there’s some truth to the statement that the decay of the communicable results in the destruction of language!
[quote]kamui wrote:
[quote]pat wrote:
[quote]TyroneSlothrop wrote:
All I have to say is that the masses must become dialecticians and inscribe their thought in practice! [/quote]
"Karado, if that IS you? Knock it off. One of you is enough.
In other words, yup.[/quote]
I pretty sure he is not Karado.
Because i’m pretty sure that Karado could not come up with this kind of phraseology to save his life.[/quote]
It’s not as hard as you might think. I have a friend who was into this kind of stuff. He said that after a little while of reading the right literature and conversing with people like TyroneSlothrop it became pretty easy to regurgitate phrases like this.
In the end though, people who go down that road are simply ineffectual communicators who have become ironically counter-productive with their speech in an effort to advance it.
[quote]TyroneSlothrop wrote:
And if you read a lot of marxist literature and understand it the wording I am employing is easily comprehensible. [/quote]
See he said it himself. At least he’s not one of those ones who claims that it’s some kind of lofty intellectual feat.
I wasn’t speaking in general terms here. I was speaking about Karado, specifically.
Given the conditions of modern society I wouldn’t dare participate in anything as meaningless or idiotic as a “lofty-intellectual feat”, either in the ideological factory of interpellation that is academia or elsewhere
[quote]kamui wrote:
[quote]pat wrote:
[quote]TyroneSlothrop wrote:
All I have to say is that the masses must become dialecticians and inscribe their thought in practice! [/quote]
"Karado, if that IS you? Knock it off. One of you is enough.
In other words, yup.[/quote]
I pretty sure he is not Karado.
Because i’m pretty sure that Karado could not come up with this kind of phraseology to save his life.
Tyrone is probably just someone who have read a few dangerous books.
Books i probably read too.
Books most of you would label as “far left propaganda”.
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I wouldn’t label it “far left propaganda”, I label it as wishful thinking as a replacement for truth and reality.
[quote]TyroneSlothrop wrote:
Given the conditions of modern society I wouldn’t dare participate in anything as meaningless or idiotic as a “lofty-intellectual feat”, either in the ideological factory of interpellation that is academia or elsewhere [/quote]
Oh my.
[quote]TyroneSlothrop wrote:
Given the conditions of modern society I wouldn’t dare participate in anything as meaningless or idiotic as a “lofty-intellectual feat”, either in the ideological factory of interpellation that is academia or elsewhere [/quote]I’m becoming increasingly persuaded that the pointlessness of these posts is your point.
