[quote]maraudermeat wrote:
check out this douche… false grip too…dumbass.
lolz awesome
[quote]maraudermeat wrote:
check out this douche… false grip too…dumbass.
Haha that was sweet
[quote]maraudermeat wrote:
check out this douche… false grip too…dumbass.
Gotta love the fact that the final countdown is playing in the background too.
-Zep
I find myself bringing my legs up, but I think I’m (subconsciously) trying to push my lower back into the bench.
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
See illustration above. “Stabilizer legs FTW”[/quote]
“Outrigger” is more technically correct.[/quote]
"A rose by any other name… "
[quote]BEAR BORN wrote:
[quote]hungry4more wrote:
[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
[quote]hungry4more wrote:
Damn, no serious arguments, almost all replies on topic, with almost all good advice…brings a tear to my eye![/quote]
Your side chest sucks balls powerlifternewb[/quote]
But at least I have a good deadlift.[/quote]
Have you pulled 7 yet Hungry?[/quote]
No 
It’s a long sad story, but partially due to taking some time off from sumo pulling, my DL is back down to the mid-600’s at the moment, but I’m hitting them consistently again, along with the assistance work I used to do that got my DL up to 685…so hopefully while overseas I’ll be able to get it over 700!
I’ve seen a guy hit 180Kg/390something for a few reps with feet on the bench… His ass was in the air (not too much) though.
Was a few years ago in my old gym that’s closed now… He couldn’t have weighed more than 190 or so, was shorter than me too… Decent physique from what I could see. I think he was squatting about 10Kg/22 lbs less though haha
[quote]hungry4more wrote:
[quote]BEAR BORN wrote:
[quote]hungry4more wrote:
[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
[quote]hungry4more wrote:
Damn, no serious arguments, almost all replies on topic, with almost all good advice…brings a tear to my eye![/quote]
Your side chest sucks balls powerlifternewb[/quote]
But at least I have a good deadlift.[/quote]
Have you pulled 7 yet Hungry?[/quote]
No
It’s a long sad story, but partially due to taking some time off from sumo pulling, my DL is back down to the mid-600’s at the moment, but I’m hitting them consistently again, along with the assistance work I used to do that got my DL up to 685…so hopefully while overseas I’ll be able to get it over 700![/quote]
How did your hips and knees feel at 685 wide sumo?
I switched to hybrid stance (think how Coan hit his best DL’s) quite some time ago because my knees just did not like it and it beat up my hips too much if I also did heavy squatting the same week, or pulled multiple times a week even with low volume…
Not regretting it, despite the additional ROM.
I’m sure you have 700 in you at your current weight though. But you know… You’re already rather lean… Not a lot of additional muscle that you can gain (if you did manage, you’d end up lifting way a little far in the single digits… Both hormone and joint cushioning-wise I’m not sure how well that’d go for a natty while training for maximal strength and competing) , if any, while staying at this weight. Even though you’re somewhat short (I think?), you’d probably do way better somewhere in the 242’s, esp. with your bench and squat. Bet that’d get your lifts moving up properly again.
Good luck with the 700 brother!
I have to argue this point all the time. Benching with legs up makes you top heavy and therefore unstable. Not to mention you are throwing more stress on your shoulder joint which really isn’t a great idea. I’ve seen it happen a few times where people have lost stability and fell off the bench half way through a rep.
IMO it’s much more of an ego-lift to put your legs up. “Using your legs is cheating”. 99% of legs up benchers spit this at you.
Don’t get me wrong though, there ARE ways to implement it as an accessory to your regular bench. It just shouldn’t become your ideal benching technique.
ha. when i first started working out i was told to put my feet on the bench. fml
[quote]G.I. Joe Galway wrote:
A friend of mine, who is a fitness instructor. He knows his shit about fitness ][/quote]
the wheels came off after this statement.
[quote]jp_dubya wrote:
[quote]G.I. Joe Galway wrote:
A friend of mine, who is a fitness instructor. He knows his shit about fitness ][/quote]
the wheels came off after this statement.[/quote]
Lol. Anyway the way I understand it is that feet on the ground not only stabilizes you but it definintely contributes to assisting in pushing up on the weight.
With that being said I occasionally bench with feet up if my lower back is giving me issues (injury history) or if I want to do a hybrid guilliotine type press to target upper pecs more. I find when putting my feet up it flattens out my lower back and places more stress on upper pecs. When benching traditional way, feet down back slightly arched my lower pecs get hit hard.
[quote]maraudermeat wrote:
check out this douche… false grip too…dumbass.
lol fuck…Just when you think you can make a blanket statement “NOBODY lifts big weights with their feet up”
I see a lot of people over here do that…seems extremely dangerous to me. Reminds me of the Vince Gironda style guillotine press, which is probably even more dangerous.
[quote]Carlito Gambino wrote:
I see a lot of people over here do that…seems extremely dangerous to me. Reminds me of the Vince Gironda style guillotine press, which is probably even more dangerous.[/quote]
Dangerous?! Only as stupid does…
Every exercise is potentially dangerous, a disaster waiting to happen, if performed incorrectly and/or haphazardly.
I realize that it may be your opinion but my god what a sweeping statement you have made… it actually comes across far too critical… fraught with inexperience, especially regarding the Guillotine Press (aka Neck Press). Both of these exercises may have their place in an intermediate or advanced lifter’s program. Should a newbie perform them? Probably not; better to work on the basics first.
Vince Gironda never advocated serious heavy weight on this exercise but instead the widest grip you could manage, perfect form with a long pause at the neck, and higher reps of 12-15, as well as always having a competent spotter ready to grab the bar. Vince actually thought the weighted dip (he had his own variation) and the neck press should completely replace the bench press. Thibs also advocates the Guillotine Press but also recommends the movement be performed for higher reps with a lighter load. So don’t be a meat head and throw on heavier weights than you can handle to just show off. Use a spotter. Use a modest load and learn the movement getting the most out of it.
I knew I was gonna get a response like that with my statement. They seem unnecessarily dangerous, as in, there are far better exercises that don’t have such a high risk factor to them. My primary concern with a neck press isn’t that you’ll “guillotine” yourself with it, but the amount of stress it places on the the shoulder joints.
I agree that every exercise is dangerous and there’s always a risk/reward ratio involved, but when it comes to an exercise like the neck press I just think it’s silly placing your shoulder joints (and your neck too, I guess) in such a vulnerable position when it really isn’t that great of an exercise.
It’s not like you can use a whole lot of weight with it anyway, and it’s not like there aren’t better pec exercises out there (decline bench is much better, and actually allows you to use more weight as well, certain HS machines blow a neck press away).
As for Gironda dips, I guess they work for some people, for me they just bothered my shoulders a lot (as does any type of weighted dip except ring dips or HS dips).