[quote]quagmeyer wrote:
What does everyone think is best: Inzer double Phenom or Inzer dbl denim?[/quote]
Well, I’ve never used the Phenom, but I have used the DD and I only get about 90lbs out of it. The Phenom will help more with the lockout than the DD will. The DD usually gives out at about 3-4 board height (At least mine does).
[quote]quagmeyer wrote:
What does everyone think is best: Inzer double Phenom or Inzer dbl denim?[/quote]
Double phenoms are low performing shirts. Get the Super Phenom if you want to go poly. Denims are great too, but you have to get the radical cut to get decent top end support.
Super Duper Phenom is pretty much the best multiply shirt on the market right now.
Rule of thumb on bench shirts:
Modern single poly’s are equivalent in carryover to the double denim shirts.
Modern double poly’s will generally exceed the performance of any denim.
Single poly–If you are at least 198 pounds and not getting at least 100 pounds carryover, you are not doing it right or the shirt doesn’t fit. Good benchers in single poly should be able to get 200 pounds carryover.
I think that inzer rage x is just as good as the f6 and the fury. I have seen people get between 150-200 out of a stock rage x and people get less out of the titan stuff. I have used a phenom single ply and got around 100lbs out of the shirt but that is hard to do and the shirt doesn’t last, don’t buy a phenom. It is also my experience that the titans are harder to learn and less forgiving.
In the end the it comes down to finding the best shirt to fit your style of benching. Talk to some of the more knowledgeable people in your gym or go to south side.
[quote]AllerCuzine wrote:
I think that inzer rage x is just as good as the f6 and the fury. I have seen people get between 150-200 out of a stock rage x and people get less out of the titan stuff. I have used a phenom single ply and got around 100lbs out of the shirt but that is hard to do and the shirt doesn’t last, don’t buy a phenom. It is also my experience that the titans are harder to learn and less forgiving.
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The Katana is harder to learn. The F6 is cake.
I have no experience with Inzer gear but I like my F6 just fine.
[quote]Steel Nation wrote:
AllerCuzine wrote:
I think that inzer rage x is just as good as the f6 and the fury. I have seen people get between 150-200 out of a stock rage x and people get less out of the titan stuff. I have used a phenom single ply and got around 100lbs out of the shirt but that is hard to do and the shirt doesn’t last, don’t buy a phenom. It is also my experience that the titans are harder to learn and less forgiving.
The Katana is harder to learn. The F6 is cake.
I have no experience with Inzer gear but I like my F6 just fine.[/quote]
+1
And Stronghold, 100lb should really be the minimum.
Right now I reckon I’d bench 140kg/315lb x5 at a BIG push. I doubled 220kg/495lb in my non-scoop neck Katana the week before last. They were about 4-5 inches away from touching, but I reckon with a bit of a jack, and some technique work I’ll press it in comp soon.
So I reckon come comp time in 10 weeks, I’lll get in the region of 140-160lb out of it. Btw, what weight are you? I’m wearing a 44 at 240lb!
I’ve been using a dbl phenom & get about 150lbs out of it. I was thinking about going to a denim, but that sounds like a bad move.
I’ve never heard of a ‘super phenom’ before…who makes 'em??
Also, how does an inzer rage x compare to a dbl phenom?
[quote]Hanley wrote:
Steel Nation wrote:
AllerCuzine wrote:
I think that inzer rage x is just as good as the f6 and the fury. I have seen people get between 150-200 out of a stock rage x and people get less out of the titan stuff. I have used a phenom single ply and got around 100lbs out of the shirt but that is hard to do and the shirt doesn’t last, don’t buy a phenom. It is also my experience that the titans are harder to learn and less forgiving.
The Katana is harder to learn. The F6 is cake.
I have no experience with Inzer gear but I like my F6 just fine.
+1
And Stronghold, 100lb should really be the minimum.
Right now I reckon I’d bench 140kg/315lb x5 at a BIG push. I doubled 220kg/495lb in my non-scoop neck Katana the week before last. They were about 4-5 inches away from touching, but I reckon with a bit of a jack, and some technique work I’ll press it in comp soon.
So I reckon come comp time in 10 weeks, I’lll get in the region of 140-160lb out of it. Btw, what weight are you? I’m wearing a 44 at 240lb![/quote]
Actually I was wrong…mine is a 44. I have no clue how the fuck youre getting into that shirt at 240. Mine is a hand-me-down from one of my training partners, who is a 165 bench only guy (#2 in USAPL at the moment), and it definitely fits me. I hover around 190 at a little over 5’6", btw.
Not getting more out of the shirt likely has less to do with the shirt and more to do with me not being strong enough to handle what it can give me. Iv only been lifting in gear for a couple of months now and my last shirt was a loose fury, so Im not used to the sort of support that the Katana gives.
[quote]Stronghold wrote:
Actually I was wrong…mine is a 44. I have no clue how the fuck youre getting into that shirt at 240. Mine is a hand-me-down from one of my training partners, who is a 165 bench only guy (#2 in USAPL at the moment), and it definitely fits me. I hover around 190 at a little over 5’6", btw.
Not getting more out of the shirt likely has less to do with the shirt and more to do with me not being strong enough to handle what it can give me. Iv only been lifting in gear for a couple of months now and my last shirt was a loose fury, so Im not used to the sort of support that the Katana gives.[/quote]
That’s very strange…
I first got into it when I was 98kg and wore it for 8 weeks and a comp. Just got back into it for the first time last week, managed to get the sleeves up to my elbows, and over my head on my own. Obviously couldn’t get it seated, but got it pretty far.
My arm’s are floating about 17.5 inches at the moment, and chest’s around 46 I think. But to be honest, it’s not all that much of a squeeze. I wash it after each training session in powerwash too, so I don’t think it’s stretched out that much!!
My arms did turn a bit purple last time I had it only, but it’s an incredibly comfortable shirt too wear in spite of that, and I could comfortably have it on for an hour or more like.
That being siad, I do have a 42 which I tried to get into at 98kg and it just did not happen. Got it up to my elbows, but couldn’t get it seated properly on my arms. I’m tempted to stretch them out a bit and see if I can squeeze into it after my next comp!!
EDIT: Meant to say, I reckon a big reason my carryover’s gone up so much is because my back’s a lot thicker and stronger. Pendlay Rows have been amazing for that.
[quote]Hanley wrote:
Stronghold wrote:
Actually I was wrong…mine is a 44. I have no clue how the fuck youre getting into that shirt at 240. Mine is a hand-me-down from one of my training partners, who is a 165 bench only guy (#2 in USAPL at the moment), and it definitely fits me. I hover around 190 at a little over 5’6", btw.
Not getting more out of the shirt likely has less to do with the shirt and more to do with me not being strong enough to handle what it can give me. Iv only been lifting in gear for a couple of months now and my last shirt was a loose fury, so Im not used to the sort of support that the Katana gives.
That’s very strange…
I first got into it when I was 98kg and wore it for 8 weeks and a comp. Just got back into it for the first time last week, managed to get the sleeves up to my elbows, and over my head on my own. Obviously couldn’t get it seated, but got it pretty far.
My arm’s are floating about 17.5 inches at the moment, and chest’s around 46 I think. But to be honest, it’s not all that much of a squeeze. I wash it after each training session in powerwash too, so I don’t think it’s stretched out that much!!
My arms did turn a bit purple last time I had it only, but it’s an incredibly comfortable shirt too wear in spite of that, and I could comfortably have it on for an hour or more like.
That being siad, I do have a 42 which I tried to get into at 98kg and it just did not happen. Got it up to my elbows, but couldn’t get it seated properly on my arms. I’m tempted to stretch them out a bit and see if I can squeeze into it after my next comp!!
EDIT: Meant to say, I reckon a big reason my carryover’s gone up so much is because my back’s a lot thicker and stronger. Pendlay Rows have been amazing for that.[/quote]
My arms were just under 17 last time I measured them…and they definitely turn purple when Im in the shirt if I dont keep them up…the chest plate on mine is also about the same size as the one on Buckeye’s viking…so…haha.
[quote]Stronghold wrote:
Hanley wrote:
Stronghold wrote:
Actually I was wrong…mine is a 44. I have no clue how the fuck youre getting into that shirt at 240. Mine is a hand-me-down from one of my training partners, who is a 165 bench only guy (#2 in USAPL at the moment), and it definitely fits me. I hover around 190 at a little over 5’6", btw.
Not getting more out of the shirt likely has less to do with the shirt and more to do with me not being strong enough to handle what it can give me. Iv only been lifting in gear for a couple of months now and my last shirt was a loose fury, so Im not used to the sort of support that the Katana gives.
That’s very strange…
I first got into it when I was 98kg and wore it for 8 weeks and a comp. Just got back into it for the first time last week, managed to get the sleeves up to my elbows, and over my head on my own. Obviously couldn’t get it seated, but got it pretty far.
My arm’s are floating about 17.5 inches at the moment, and chest’s around 46 I think. But to be honest, it’s not all that much of a squeeze. I wash it after each training session in powerwash too, so I don’t think it’s stretched out that much!!
My arms did turn a bit purple last time I had it only, but it’s an incredibly comfortable shirt too wear in spite of that, and I could comfortably have it on for an hour or more like.
That being siad, I do have a 42 which I tried to get into at 98kg and it just did not happen. Got it up to my elbows, but couldn’t get it seated properly on my arms. I’m tempted to stretch them out a bit and see if I can squeeze into it after my next comp!!
EDIT: Meant to say, I reckon a big reason my carryover’s gone up so much is because my back’s a lot thicker and stronger. Pendlay Rows have been amazing for that.
My arms were just under 17 last time I measured them…and they definitely turn purple when Im in the shirt if I dont keep them up…the chest plate on mine is also about the same size as the one on Buckeye’s viking…so…haha.[/quote]
I would assume girls need a bigger chest size tho. For obvious reasons!!
The chest plate on my 44’s 5-6 inches seam to seam at the narrowest point I think. It’s 4.25 on the 42!!
[quote]Hanley wrote:
Stronghold wrote:
Hanley wrote:
Stronghold wrote:
Actually I was wrong…mine is a 44. I have no clue how the fuck youre getting into that shirt at 240. Mine is a hand-me-down from one of my training partners, who is a 165 bench only guy (#2 in USAPL at the moment), and it definitely fits me. I hover around 190 at a little over 5’6", btw.
Not getting more out of the shirt likely has less to do with the shirt and more to do with me not being strong enough to handle what it can give me. Iv only been lifting in gear for a couple of months now and my last shirt was a loose fury, so Im not used to the sort of support that the Katana gives.
That’s very strange…
I first got into it when I was 98kg and wore it for 8 weeks and a comp. Just got back into it for the first time last week, managed to get the sleeves up to my elbows, and over my head on my own. Obviously couldn’t get it seated, but got it pretty far.
My arm’s are floating about 17.5 inches at the moment, and chest’s around 46 I think. But to be honest, it’s not all that much of a squeeze. I wash it after each training session in powerwash too, so I don’t think it’s stretched out that much!!
My arms did turn a bit purple last time I had it only, but it’s an incredibly comfortable shirt too wear in spite of that, and I could comfortably have it on for an hour or more like.
That being siad, I do have a 42 which I tried to get into at 98kg and it just did not happen. Got it up to my elbows, but couldn’t get it seated properly on my arms. I’m tempted to stretch them out a bit and see if I can squeeze into it after my next comp!!
EDIT: Meant to say, I reckon a big reason my carryover’s gone up so much is because my back’s a lot thicker and stronger. Pendlay Rows have been amazing for that.
My arms were just under 17 last time I measured them…and they definitely turn purple when Im in the shirt if I dont keep them up…the chest plate on mine is also about the same size as the one on Buckeye’s viking…so…haha.
I would assume girls need a bigger chest size tho. For obvious reasons!!
The chest plate on my 44’s 5-6 inches seam to seam at the narrowest point I think. It’s 4.25 on the 42!!
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Not this girl. lol
[quote]quagmeyer wrote:
I’ve been using a dbl phenom & get about 150lbs out of it. I was thinking about going to a denim, but that sounds like a bad move.
I’ve never heard of a ‘super phenom’ before…who makes 'em??
Also, how does an inzer rage x compare to a dbl phenom?[/quote]
Inzer makes 3 extremely high end shirts. Double Rage X, Super Phenom, and Super Duper Phenom.
A dbl Rage X has a very hard stop, is very tough to touch, and favors slower, tricep dominant benchers.
SP and SDP are very similar, same construction with slightly different cut. These require some speed, and are very stretchy. You get huge rebound from the bottom and very good carry through to the top. They have to be extremely tight, and its tough to get one to fit properly without expensive customizations. It takes very good technique to use one. And the shirt will hurt like hell when it fits right.
The SDP was developed originally for Gene Rychlak. It was in development for quite a few years, and only recently is available to the public.
Which shirt is better depends on the bencher. I have never been able to use a Rage X----but I can do amazing shit in the SDP.
slattimer,
What exactly is a Super (Duper) Phenom? Is that what the triple ply Phenom is actually called?
[quote]buckeye girl wrote:
slattimer,
What exactly is a Super (Duper) Phenom? Is that what the triple ply Phenom is actually called?[/quote]
It’s the 3x ply with the super neck afaik? Pretty sure that’s what it’s official name is!
[quote]quagmeyer wrote:
What does everyone think is best: Inzer double Phenom or Inzer dbl denim?[/quote]
If I had a choice between a perfectly fitted FREE Inzer denim and a perfectly fitted $150 dbl Phenom, I would reach for my wallet. I haved used a open back double phenom with a scooped super neck with much success.
I agree with Shawn that the Super Phenom is better than the dbl phenom- I have one of each. However, a tricked out double (w/ a scooped superneck) is good for the same reasons as a super (relatively easy to touch and great spring through mid range) and I find it has an identical groove.
Especially for a longer limbed bencher, both phenoms are much best better shirts than a dbl denim.
[quote]quagmeyer wrote:
I’ve been using a dbl phenom & get about 150lbs out of it. I was thinking about going to a denim, but that sounds like a bad move.
I’ve never heard of a ‘super phenom’ before…who makes 'em??
Also, how does an inzer rage x compare to a dbl phenom?[/quote]
I recently bought a rage x to use more or less as a just durable training shirt taht woudl hold it’s shape despite weekly shirted workouts. I knew from what I had heard that it would be more like stiff unforgiving denim than my springy phemom and super phenom.
However, I was shocked by how different it was. The carry over stops at about a 4 board height for me. I wear 38 inch dress shirts- a pretty big wing span- and that means that I am on my own for about half of the range of motion. I hit a fast 655 off three boards in my SP. In my Rage X, 495 for three off three boards feels like hard work.
In addition to a stiffer fabric, the cut of the Rage X seems to favors a bencher that throws the weight up back towards his head to lock out where the SP and dbl phenoms seem to allow more of straight press. I guess thats why so many times new Rage X users almost decapitate themselves doing this hard flare at the finish.
Everyone is different- but a rage X may make you love your double phenom that much more. A super phenom will make you want to put your cherry Rage X (still with the little yellow Inzer sticker) on Ebay.
[quote]buckeye girl wrote:
slattimer,
What exactly is a Super (Duper) Phenom? Is that what the triple ply Phenom is actually called?[/quote]
The SDP is a Phenom, available in 2 or 3 ply, standard is open back with Velcro.
It has a scooped neck, and shoulders are also scooped so you can keep the crease of the armpit covered. The fabric is an upgraded, thicker version of what is used in the standard Phenom shirts. Its has an 8 or 12 layer neck reinforcement called the superneck. It also has a radical cut, or in other words, a much more aggressive sleeve angle.
People say the super phenoms stretch a lot and wear out quick. They do stretch a lot, but you have to get it sized extra small to account for the stretch. If the shirt is broken in properly, it will stop stretching out and maintain its size after a few workouts.
I have been using a 2-ply SDP for about 2 years or so. It blows away any other shirt I have ever used. I can touch with 495 in the same shirt I use to bench 900. I never have to worry about touching, and the shirt is actually pretty forgiving if you miss your groove a little.
It does take patience and good technique at belly benching to use the shirt. It also work best if you use a lot of speed to bench. People who tend to grind through a lift generally don’t like it.
Over the years, I have used a few different Titan shirts, Rage X, Double denims from both Inzer and Karins, Inzer Ultimate Denim, Phenom, and the SDP. The SDP blows every single one of them away.
On another post, somebody talks about boiling the dbl phenom…have you ever heard of this? what’s the benefit & how is it done?
[quote]slattimer wrote:
buckeye girl wrote:
slattimer,
What exactly is a Super (Duper) Phenom? Is that what the triple ply Phenom is actually called?
The SDP is a Phenom, available in 2 or 3 ply, standard is open back with Velcro.
It has a scooped neck, and shoulders are also scooped so you can keep the crease of the armpit covered. The fabric is an upgraded, thicker version of what is used in the standard Phenom shirts. Its has an 8 or 12 layer neck reinforcement called the superneck. It also has a radical cut, or in other words, a much more aggressive sleeve angle.
People say the super phenoms stretch a lot and wear out quick. They do stretch a lot, but you have to get it sized extra small to account for the stretch. If the shirt is broken in properly, it will stop stretching out and maintain its size after a few workouts.
I have been using a 2-ply SDP for about 2 years or so. It blows away any other shirt I have ever used. I can touch with 495 in the same shirt I use to bench 900. I never have to worry about touching, and the shirt is actually pretty forgiving if you miss your groove a little.
It does take patience and good technique at belly benching to use the shirt. It also work best if you use a lot of speed to bench. People who tend to grind through a lift generally don’t like it.
Over the years, I have used a few different Titan shirts, Rage X, Double denims from both Inzer and Karins, Inzer Ultimate Denim, Phenom, and the SDP. The SDP blows every single one of them away.
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Thanks for the explanation.