Being On and Getting Arrested

Pharma
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Bushy’s tough situation reminded me of something I’ve thought and worried about in the past. Being on for a long time, as in totally shut down endo and dependent on exo hormones and getting arrested and thrown in jail. Seems like that would be tough. Going from high levels of test to nothing with no taper, no hcg and nolva, nothing to kick start your natural production and nothing to block the effects of high estrogen levels.

Administrators might see it as a medical problem and help you out and they might not. They probably wouldn’t do much though and they certainly wouldn’t want to give you testosterone injections to ease your pain. The thought would most likeley be one less high testosterone, aggresive, guy to deal with. The thought of being emotional, depressed, weak, tired, docile and possibly carrying tits around in that environment always seemed scary to me.

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I’ve wondered that myself. I don’t see any doctors or judges that would order or allow for a safe PCT or transition back to normalcy. Not with the bigotry that is used when viewing steroids and their use. The only saving grace might be that for simple possession only, you’d probably not be looking at getting locked up anyway. Maybe. It’s a risky mf’n business, no matter how you break it down.

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When i was about 16 i knocked bout with a girl whos brother was doing time in a medium security prison, he did 11 years for rape - nice family i got mixed up with their lol
when he got out, he said in the 8 years he served, the most hastle he had was for a ciggarette, he just gave whoever it was a ciggarette and that was that.

I think prison is hyped up alot more than what it is really like, it’s another form of government fearmongering and it allows for better television.

thoughts on the o/p, some of the hype about prisons is that drugs are available, steroids being a mainstay. How true this is i hopefully will never know.

But i think in all eventuallitys, if possible, be off steroids and pct completely should custodial sentencing be passed.

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Being around the incarcerated men who train…I would have to assume that gear is most certainly available inside.
Of course, the amount of time it might take to make those connections is completely random and unknown.

As for the ‘bullying’…recent U.S. statistics report that four out of ten will be approached/coerced into some form of gang affiliation while only one in ten are actually theatened or ultimately raped.
Not great odds…but not as bad most tend to think.

Prison is its own culture with its own subcultures.
The institution you’re housed in (fed/state/local) has a lot to do with what you may experience.

The first year is bad -the second is probably the toughest (anniversaries of this and that/paradigm shift)…but after that it just feels like you’re treading water…always feeling like you need to keep your head up and …to just keep swimming.

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Well im no karate expert, but i think i understand 'target tissue, especially nerves.
Kick em square in the nuts - to quote a popular cartoon lol

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The nuts would most certainly drop someone, but then again, you have to also remember that how you fight will get viewed as well. Are you the guy who gets his handed to him, but keeps it somewhat “clean” or are you the individual who does crotch shots?

You might win that fight with that one guy, but who’s to say your next time on the yard will be as easy-- when there are 12 of them on you: that’s 24 testicles to kick…

Having undergone the training I have in regards to meeting lethal and less than lethal force, I always try and tell myself that any fight is one to the death. In other words, put your adversary in a position where ending their life is an easy one. A few examples: get their chin high and give them another uppercut to the chin thereby breaking their neck, hard shots to either side of the neck will cause significant damage as well, kicks to the eyesocket, and less than lethal means include the knees, specifically the inside of the knees. Anyone trained in some form of martial art will have the power to break a knee cap, and that will knock them down for a long time, not to mention what a shot to the outside of the knees can do.

Also, if you can get someone flat on their face, grasping their head and being a millisecond away from breaking their spine is easily done as well.

Lastly, something anyone on “the inside” needs to consider-- weaponry. Shanks, shivs, and the like could possibly be plentiful. Arm yourself. Not going to describe the situation in which I had to do it for my reasons, but let’s say I know my way around a knife fight. You have a knife and need to take someone down: with your blade pointed down, thumb firmly on the hilt’s end, stab (not slash) your enemy right in front of their collar bone as deep as you can, and start pulling down. This will possibly cut the jugular, femoral arteries to the arms, possibly the carotid if deep enough along with the lungs or windpipe, and continue to pull down as hard as possibly tearing the shit out of them and causing a variety of nerve damage. When facing an enemy and are armed with some sort of stabbing instrument, right in front of the collarbone by the shoulders is your best bet.

Let’s assume you have a very sharp blade, simply slash them as deeply as possible across the throat. Those movies where spec ops slit someone’s throat from behind and the individual drops instantly are actually not all that far from the truth.

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[quote]World1187 wrote:
The nuts would most certainly drop someone, but then again, you have to also remember that how you fight will get viewed as well. Are you the guy who gets his handed to him, but keeps it somewhat “clean” or are you the individual who does crotch shots?

You might win that fight with that one guy, but who’s to say your next time on the yard will be as easy-- when there are 12 of them on you: that’s 24 testicles to kick…

Having undergone the training I have in regards to meeting lethal and less than lethal force, I always try and tell myself that any fight is one to the death. In other words, put your adversary in a position where ending their life is an easy one. A few examples: get their chin high and give them another uppercut to the chin thereby breaking their neck, hard shots to either side of the neck will cause significant damage as well, kicks to the eyesocket, and less than lethal means include the knees, specifically the inside of the knees. Anyone trained in some form of martial art will have the power to break a knee cap, and that will knock them down for a long time, not to mention what a shot to the outside of the knees can do.

Also, if you can get someone flat on their face, grasping their head and being a millisecond away from breaking their spine is easily done as well.

Lastly, something anyone on “the inside” needs to consider-- weaponry. Shanks, shivs, and the like could possibly be plentiful. Arm yourself. Not going to describe the situation in which I had to do it for my reasons, but let’s say I know my way around a knife fight. You have a knife and need to take someone down: with your blade pointed down, thumb firmly on the hilt’s end, stab (not slash) your enemy right in front of their collar bone as deep as you can, and start pulling down. This will possibly cut the jugular, femoral arteries to the arms, possibly the carotid if deep enough along with the lungs or windpipe, and continue to pull down as hard as possibly tearing the shit out of them and causing a variety of nerve damage. When facing an enemy and are armed with some sort of stabbing instrument, right in front of the collarbone by the shoulders is your best bet.

Let’s assume you have a very sharp blade, simply slash them as deeply as possible across the throat. Those movies where spec ops slit someone’s throat from behind and the individual drops instantly are actually not all that far from the truth.[/quote]

Ummmm, yeaaah…well, okay kids, let’s all thank World1187 for coming in today, and take a ten minute break.

Holy crap, World! Those are some extremes you pointed out there. I would think that if you’re in a situation where you’re fighting with shanks, that you’ve already developed a reputation for fighting dirty. And are no longer serving a quiet sentence, because with that type of activity, Capt Knauer and the Warden would likely be adding another 100 years to the term of the visit. Not likely too many witnesses would come forward for your self-defense claims.

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Unfortunately with some of the “guidelines” presented here, one could be sentenced to a year imprisonment and expect to get out in 6-8 months (with good behaviour) and end up being incarcerated for the rest of one�??s life for murdering another inmate!

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When presented with lethal force, why take a risk and respond with anything less?

Come on now fellas…

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World1187 you live in fantasy land. You impress me as a guy that has had between two and three years of some form of training. Just about everything you brought up will only work if the person you are fighting is pain compliant. The vast majority of men that fight for real are not pain compliant.

Please do yourself a favour. If you are ever in a situation were real men are going to pound on you run for your life. The guys in your dojo or the punks on the street you could probably do ok. But up against hardened men you don’t stand a chance.

Please don’t think I’m flaming you I’m not. I’m just a lot older with a lot more experience and I wouldn’t want you to get seriously hurt.

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Ark…

You have no idea how old I am.

You have no idea what I’ve done and where I’ve been.

You have no idea what sort of training I have undergone… but I’ll tell you it’s a damn lot more than 2-3 years…

That’s the beauty of T Nation… total anonymity if you choose to keep it that way…

Don’t come in here after just joining yesterday trying to start shit. I don’t appreciate it and neither do any of the other members. So please cut it out.

I know for a fact that any of what I previously mentioned works damn well, so you and your “pain compliance” can go sod yourself.

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I was thinking more about county jail. By the time you are sentenced to prison you would have plenty of time to go off. But, if you got arrested and throw in county and could not bond out very soon, it would be bad. Just being in jail is depressing enough, but dealing with a crash would be bad. And you might not get hassled but if you didn’t look confident and tough you might be targeted some. Luckily for most guys I guess, simple steroid/gh/prescription possesion without intent would probably be a summons or if arrested a fairly quick personal recog bond.

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Its really dumb trying to ‘theorize’ fighting. If your severely trained -many years- it should be second nature-No thinking- Even then you can choke, the fight can be a sudden cheap shot leaving you unprepared.

What I’m trying to say is you can’t say ‘do this and that’ its NOT that simple. If your not trained and smaller then the guy you will most likely lose, even if trained but much smaller you still have a high chance to lose.

Too many variables to account for to ‘think’ of what to do. If you ever unlucky enough to be put in a situation like that just hope for the best and if your trained hopefully you will instinctively do what you should.

In prison its best to have some friends-as anywhere in the world- I would assume. You don’t want to be singled out as the person who knows nobody and is a big dude. If you have some friends keep a level head-don’t try to pick fights- you should be fine. The documentaries I have watched for the most part the gangs try to avoid confrontations.

If your a really big dude I don’t see how most of the small prison guys would risk trying to fight you. In real life gang members usually try to bully small helpless people anyways.

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To the OP, from my own experiences (of being incarcerated in Canada), it seems very, very unlikely that a judge would allow you some sort of PCT/TRT. Judges usually aren’t known to be sympathetic to the felons they’re sentencing.

However, you’d have no problem getting some gear while inside, so I’m pretty confident you’d be able to run something while adjusting to your new surroundings. In fact, I was offered some D-bol my first day at the weight-pile. Most drugs (AAS or “recreational” or otherwise) are readily available on the inside, and it’s not too hard finding a dealer, lol!

As for going in and being a “big-weightlifting-dude”, it isn’t going to cause you any problems. People inside will treat you the same as people on the outside, they’ll categorize you as one of those “weird body-builder gym-rats” and pretty much leave you alone. Most guys just sit around watching tv and eating junk-food, occasionally wandering into the gym for some 135 lb. bench presses and a few preacher curls.

Think of it like this, jail is a small community just like any other, and you’re not going to start acting like an asshole to your new neighbors. Yeah, some nasty shit happens once in a while in jail (just like in the outside world), but for the most part you can do your time quietly (just like in the outside world).

To Bushy, I don’t think you’ll be sent up. You’ll probably get some kind of conditional sentence/probation (and maybe a fine) and be home in time for dinner. You’re obviously not a thug and the judge will see that you’re a valuable member of society. You pay your taxes/go to church/help old ladies carry their groceries/etc. And even if you have to do some time, it’s a first-time non-violent offence, so you’d likely go to a minimum/medium security institution. But I’m hopeful that it doesn’t come to that.

JR

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[quote]Pretzel Logic wrote:
Bushy’s tough situation reminded me of something I’ve thought and worried about in the past. Being on for a long time, as in totally shut down endo and dependent on exo hormones and getting arrested and thrown in jail. Seems like that would be tough. Going from high levels of test to nothing with no taper, no hcg and nolva, nothing to kick start your natural production and nothing to block the effects of high estrogen levels.

Administrators might see it as a medical problem and help you out and they might not. They probably wouldn’t do much though and they certainly wouldn’t want to give you testosterone injections to ease your pain. The thought would most likeley be one less high testosterone, aggresive, guy to deal with. The thought of being emotional, depressed, weak, tired, docile and possibly carrying tits around in that environment always seemed scary to me.
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At the risk of coming off as a sanctimonious asshole, why on earth would you be doing something that would land you in jail? There has to be some sort of legal alternative to your current lifestyle.

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[quote]Jelly Roll wrote:
To the OP, from my own experiences (of being incarcerated in Canada), it seems very, very unlikely that a judge would allow you some sort of PCT/TRT. Judges usually aren’t known to be sympathetic to the felons they’re sentencing.

However, you’d have no problem getting some gear while inside, so I’m pretty confident you’d be able to run something while adjusting to your new surroundings. In fact, I was offered some D-bol my first day at the weight-pile. Most drugs (AAS or “recreational” or otherwise) are readily available on the inside, and it’s not too hard finding a dealer, lol!

As for going in and being a “big-weightlifting-dude”, it isn’t going to cause you any problems. People inside will treat you the same as people on the outside, they’ll categorize you as one of those “weird body-builder gym-rats” and pretty much leave you alone. Most guys just sit around watching tv and eating junk-food, occasionally wandering into the gym for some 135 lb. bench presses and a few preacher curls.

Think of it like this, jail is a small community just like any other, and you’re not going to start acting like an asshole to your new neighbors. Yeah, some nasty shit happens once in a while in jail (just like in the outside world), but for the most part you can do your time quietly (just like in the outside world).

To Bushy, I don’t think you’ll be sent up. You’ll probably get some kind of conditional sentence/probation (and maybe a fine) and be home in time for dinner. You’re obviously not a thug and the judge will see that you’re a valuable member of society. You pay your taxes/go to church/help old ladies carry their groceries/etc. And even if you have to do some time, it’s a first-time non-violent offence, so you’d likely go to a minimum/medium security institution. But I’m hopeful that it doesn’t come to that.

JR [/quote]

         Best post advice here. While world is on the mark for going down for real hard time, it's not likely our boy will be in that predicament. Much more likely to be in some sort of county jail like what Jelly is talking about, in which case I don't see Bushy having any problems. I can't say it any better than Jelly has expressed it here. Spot on Jelly. You just want to "fit in" nice and easy and chat it up with the boys so you get into a "clique". Don't be a loner, and don't try to be looking like some bad ass, which I know Bushy wouldn't do anyway. That's it. I've done my share of "not so soft" time for felony possesion for sales, it's no picnic, but it's not impossible to get through without going to extreme violence either. Doing that shit, WILL no doubt fuck you bigtime, with a severe extension of your sentence, you can count on that. Even getting in a non-weapon fight lands you in the hole, and that's no fun at all. 

                 ToneBone