I have been lifting eod for about 7 months now. I have seen very little progress. I think my main problem is my diet. I have been taking creatine for 6 months, with no gains. I feel I have gotten a bit stronger, but thats it. Iam a 33 year old male and I weigh 210lbs. I got homebrewed test e from a good friend. This is my 1st cycle ever.i was told to take 250mg every 6 days. Tomorrow will be my 3rd shot.
I have noticed a big jump in libido, but thats it so far. I know I need to work on eating more throughout the day instead of just a few big meals. I guess what I want to know is, does any1 think that 250 e6d is enough? I actually took 250 my 1st time and 400 the ,2nd shot. Should I keep on 400 and for how many months and is 6 days long enough.
I am open to any advice and help. And I know some people will say homebrew is no good bc u dont know what you are getting(well I have read forums like that) I know its good gear bc of the major change in libido. Thanks
250mg test is little better than TRT dose. It will make you feel better for sure, but it is not the supra-physiological dose that most associate with an actual steroid cycle. 400 is closer to the mark, I would go for 500, thats about the lowest I’ve seen recommended for a beginner cycle.
e6d is too infrequent in my opinion, regardless of the ester you are taking, more frequent injections = more stable blood levels, I would aim for 3 shots a week for test E, but thats me. I would suggest 10-12 weeks, anything less wouldn’t be prudent with the long ester and anything more might be more difficult to recover from.
I have heard no mention of an AI, SERM, or PCT which are mandatory to have. (except the PCT if you plan on staying on forever as in TRT) I suggest a little research to explain why these needed.
That being said, as someone who has been lifting 7 months @ 3.5x/wk, and who is doubtful of their diet, I summarily assume that you are in no way ready for anabolics. But you are a grown man so do as you wish, but be warned do some research and don’t always rely on your bro(s) advice.
[quote]MrBigMan405 wrote:
I have been lifting eod for about 7 months now. I have seen very little progress. I think my main problem is my diet. I have been taking creatine for 6 months, with no gains. I feel I have gotten a bit stronger, but thats it. Iam a 33 year old male and I weigh 210lbs. I got homebrewed test e from a good friend. This is my 1st cycle ever.i was told to take 250mg every 6 days. Tomorrow will be my 3rd shot.
I have noticed a big jump in libido, but thats it so far. I know I need to work on eating more throughout the day instead of just a few big meals. I guess what I want to know is, does any1 think that 250 e6d is enough? I actually took 250 my 1st time and 400 the ,2nd shot. Should I keep on 400 and for how many months and is 6 days long enough.
I am open to any advice and help. And I know some people will say homebrew is no good bc u dont know what you are getting(well I have read forums like that) I know its good gear bc of the major change in libido. Thanks[/quote]
regarding your choice of test-e,that is the base of all aas programs.I am an older lifter and back in the day test and dexa was effective and used by most bodybuilders.One think is patience weight training,nutrition and test all require time to build your psysique.also nutrition.sleep and compound exercises.one more thing more is not better,our bodie’s can only utilize a certain amount that includes food,exercise aas etc. all the best john
[quote]MrBigMan405 wrote:
I have been lifting eod for about 7 months now. I have seen very little progress. I think my main problem is my diet. I have been taking creatine for 6 months, with no gains. I feel I have gotten a bit stronger, but thats it. Iam a 33 year old male and I weigh 210lbs. I got homebrewed test e from a good friend. This is my 1st cycle ever.i was told to take 250mg every 6 days. Tomorrow will be my 3rd shot.
I have noticed a big jump in libido, but thats it so far. I know I need to work on eating more throughout the day instead of just a few big meals. I guess what I want to know is, does any1 think that 250 e6d is enough? I actually took 250 my 1st time and 400 the ,2nd shot. Should I keep on 400 and for how many months and is 6 days long enough.
I am open to any advice and help. And I know some people will say homebrew is no good bc u dont know what you are getting(well I have read forums like that) I know its good gear bc of the major change in libido. Thanks[/quote]
regarding your choice of test-e,that is the base of all aas programs.I am an older lifter and back in the day test and dexa was effective and used by most bodybuilders.One think is patience weight training,nutrition and test all require time to build your psysique.also nutrition.sleep and compound exercises.one more thing more is not better,our bodie’s can only utilize a certain amount that includes food,exercise aas etc. all the best john[/quote]
I agree with everything minus the more is not better. The more you can take and still stay relatively side free the more results your going to see. I noticed a huge difference when going from say 500mg of Test to 1000mg of Test. Same with Tren as well going from 400 to 750 was a huge difference especially in strength. But I do believe you should start out somewhat low and work up to see how and what you can tolerate. Some people can’t run Tren even at low under 300mg a week with out seeing massive sides where I am running a full gram and other than night sweats and difficulty ejaculating I am fine. With that being said 250mg every 6th day is way low in my opinion. I suggest starting no lower than 500mg a week.
Lastly as BUDs pointed out if your diet is shit I dont care how many drugs, supplements, and cool new scientific training program or what ever your results will be sub par.
[quote]johnny k53 wrote:
one more thing more is not better,our bodie’s can only utilize a certain amount [/quote]
this is not really true…[/quote]
Brother Walkway:More is better in the early stages,say 500mg’s a week to 1000mg’s/1gram. The difference then from 1000 to 2000 to 3000 is a dramatic increase in Side affect’s.Thatr is what I ment by more is no better.We all reach a saturation point.
[quote]MrBigMan405 wrote:
I have been lifting eod for about 7 months now. I have seen very little progress. I think my main problem is my diet. I have been taking creatine for 6 months, with no gains. I feel I have gotten a bit stronger, but thats it. Iam a 33 year old male and I weigh 210lbs. I got homebrewed test e from a good friend. This is my 1st cycle ever.i was told to take 250mg every 6 days. Tomorrow will be my 3rd shot.
I have noticed a big jump in libido, but thats it so far. I know I need to work on eating more throughout the day instead of just a few big meals. I guess what I want to know is, does any1 think that 250 e6d is enough? I actually took 250 my 1st time and 400 the ,2nd shot. Should I keep on 400 and for how many months and is 6 days long enough.
I am open to any advice and help. And I know some people will say homebrew is no good bc u dont know what you are getting(well I have read forums like that) I know its good gear bc of the major change in libido. Thanks[/quote]
well, you should start to notice significant changes in strength…
healthy adult males produce 3-10mg of test a day (up to 70 mg/wk), so 250 is almost 4 times times more than what you can produce. below is a study where numerous doses of test were given to healthy adult males who were exercising, and shows the results one would expect (one note: their natural test levels were artificially suppressed).
anyway, athletes on 300 mg/wk had pretty significant gains in strength, but there was a pretty large difference in size/weight gains when they jumped up to 600 mg/wk…
if your goal is primarily to gain strength, then your current dose will prolly work… but if you want to make large gains in muscle/size as well, then you need to bump up the dose…
healthy adult males produce 3-10mg of test a day (up to 70 mg/wk), so 250 is almost 4 times times more than what you can produce. [/quote]
Logic fail…you are not considering the weight of the ester, which, IIRC is around 30% for Test Cyp.
Not saying the gist of your statement is incorrect, just your specifics. [/quote]
btw, if you’re making the assumption that this feller is maxing out at 10 mg/day (and not 3mg, for instance), with test e being 70mg/100mg (cyp is 69/100), then it’d be 2.5 times what he naturally produces. for a low end subject, this could still be over 8 times what he could theoretically be producing…
healthy adult males produce 3-10mg of test a day (up to 70 mg/wk), so 250 is almost 4 times times more than what you can produce. [/quote]
Logic fail…you are not considering the weight of the ester, which, IIRC is around 30% for Test Cyp.
Not saying the gist of your statement is incorrect, just your specifics. [/quote]
btw, if you’re making the assumption that this feller is maxing out at 10 mg/day (and not 3mg, for instance), with test e being 70mg/100mg (cyp is 69/100), then it’d be 2.5 times what he naturally produces. for a low end subject, this could still be over 8 times what he could theoretically be producing…[/quote]
I wasn’t assuming anything…I was pointing out that what you said was wrong. You don’t have to be butthurt about it, I didn’t mean anything personally by it. But if you are going to take the time to break things down to a math problem, at least use the right numbers. No hard feelings mate.
healthy adult males produce 3-10mg of test a day (up to 70 mg/wk), so 250 is almost 4 times times more than what you can produce. [/quote]
Logic fail…you are not considering the weight of the ester, which, IIRC is around 30% for Test Cyp.
Not saying the gist of your statement is incorrect, just your specifics. [/quote]
btw, if you’re making the assumption that this feller is maxing out at 10 mg/day (and not 3mg, for instance), with test e being 70mg/100mg (cyp is 69/100), then it’d be 2.5 times what he naturally produces. for a low end subject, this could still be over 8 times what he could theoretically be producing…[/quote]
I wasn’t assuming anything…I was pointing out that what you said was wrong. You don’t have to be butthurt about it, I didn’t mean anything personally by it. But if you are going to take the time to break things down to a math problem, at least use the right numbers. No hard feelings mate.
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if that’s the case, then do you point out the error in math any time someone references using testosterone, based off the ester?
if that’s the case, then do you point out the error in math any time someone references using testosterone, based off the ester?
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LOL why are you trying to change the subject? You need to grow up…But to answer your question, I do not…because there is nothing factually inaccurate about someone saying “I am taking 250 mg/week of Test Cyp”. Because that number includes both the Test and the Ester (Test = test and Cyp = ester in case I lost you in my in-depth analysis). What you said, on the other hand, WAS factually inaccurate. Like I said, I did not dispute your overall gist, because you were right (good boy) but your FACTS were wrong…Surely even a whiny adolescent can see that was true…
if you want to continue pissing contest over this, you can hold your own willy and piss into the wind because I’m not interested.
Hope you don’t mind me hijacking the thread, tried to start my own but very little reply.
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Bad idea.
Your thread got the response that both of your plans were bad and you showed you had no idea what you were doing. You asked if EQ and Clen were the same. The answer to this is readily available. Rather than spending hours reading and learning before asking questions you looked for people who have put in the time and effort to hold your hand.
A point in the right direction… Read the sticky for first cycle. The whole thing