This is a statement that suggests testosterone is required to cycle with the orals OP was planning on using. If there are exceptions, they should have been mentioned or at least hinted at being possible. Words mean things.
So answer me this: Is the quote you posted accurate in your opinion?
Masteron is not an oral. I said you canāt cycle āthoseā as in his listed compounds without Tesosterone. Itās because you will guaranteed suppress and have no E2. Those are all DHTs.
So your lack of fist understanding is that those are not all orals. This was never about orals, my comment. Itās about running three DHTs with no Test for E2. You could get creative with other armoatuzing compounds but thatās for another time.
@swoops39 @s.gentz @rusty_hammer anybody else think running this without Test is a good idea?
I would def not run that. The amounts run will determine the amount of estrogen suppression.
I would run the anavar/winstrol for 4-5 weeks without test but def not the masteron without adding a little test into the mix.
OP has 0 idea what heās doing and prob got that from Reddit or some gym bro. I find it funny that people purchase things or start a cycle and then ask questions instead of asking first. Donāt get it.
generally speaking no, I would not recommend any oral-only cycle. But, in a couple of very specific scenarios I would ātolerateā a cycle like this, one of those being:
No I donāt think itās a good idea because he will completely be void of estrogen, a crucial hormone without which his body canāt function properly. Some sort of compound that can undergo aromatization, a process where it is converted into estrogen in the body is necessary. Testosterone is the best candidate for this. Others such as dianabol, which is an oral derivative of testosterone may be used as well but is far from ideal.
For what itās worth, I have no experience using Masteron and never knew anyone who did.
I was only referencing the AAS that I had experience using.
I get that, but I was referencing the AAS that I had used.
Surely, you were not referencing me when you stated āyou.ā You know nothing of the circumstances when I experimented with stacking Deca and Anavar. I was not being creative. In 1977 I knew of no one who used testosterone as a AAS. It was in 1978 that I first used testosterone, and did so thereafter on all my AAS cycles. In 1977 I first learned about injectable Deca, which was the first AAS that I injected. I wasnāt being creative, unless mean adding an oral to help flatten the curve of me trying a weekly injection of Deca when I had no idea what its effective half-life was. Just keep in mind that by todayās reference, I pioneered through the early age of steroid use.
Most on this forum know more pharma of AAS than I do. Where was the information when I was using? And what is the point of me digging deep to get the information at this stage in my life. Once again: All I offer this forum are my experiences. I have made no implications that what I did was the best choice. But I will not allow any information go unchallenged that I believe contradicts my experiences. You did just that.
Any time I ever start to think about running any sort of cycle I read these forums and am reminded that I know absolutely fuck all and itās just easier to be a natty daddy 
Yeah , sorta like you in that regards. Shits above my pay grade. I honestly try to stay in my lane on my end. I do know some shit but not enough to the point id consider advising some one what to take.
Yeah i agree to a point. At least you dont have to go too deep into chemistry..
Lol
Agreed my man!
This is my take on it: for 99% of guys, esp guys posting on here, Testosterone alone would do fine. Thatās it. No Var, no Deca, no Mast, just Test and a good diet. Simple. But, that gets boring and ppl want to branch out. Wonder what this feels like, wonder what that would do, etc etc. all ends up at the same place lol.
Any AAS is a benefit when wanting to build or preserve muscle. Just donāt cause other problems with your AAS run of choice. Testosterone alone is simple enough.
Well even in your 70s you can learn something new.
Man I tell you what ā¦ with your physique is not worth messing with your hormones for rented gains. Same for most. TRT is definitely worth it for hypogonadism or age related decline. If you do happen to think about PEDs just post your plan for guidance.
Yeah I think TRT would be the only thing Iād look in to. Getting towards 40 so eventually Iāll probably start slowing down, much to my refusal to accept it .
If a Doc says ātake x amountā thatās what Iāll do. I just want want to be able to extend my time of being an operational asset, not get jacked to the gills.