Hi guys, I am considering the use of steroids for the first time. I looked around forums and I’ve chosen this 2 weeks on 2 weeks off cycle.
Day 1: 200mg test prop
Days 2-12: 100mg test prop (ED)
Days 1-14: arimidex 0.5mg (EOD)
Day 15: 60mg nolva
Days 16-21: 40mg nova (ED)
Days 22-28: 20mg nova (ED)
Are my choices for AI and PCT good enough or are their dosages good enough? Any advice would be great. I don’t want to do any more than 2 weeks on
Stay on for 8 weeks or dont bother
Youll take a lot if heat drom 98% of members for two week cycles. The other 2% is knowledgeable/advocatea of two weekers.
There’s a few logs/articles about the short cycles on Tnation plus a few more if you google them if you haven’t already. From what I’ve read, 2 weeks may not be enough off time to fully recover( if you plan on doig another cycle immediately after your first).
Bill Roberts recommended 4 weeks inbetween cycles. I’ve also seen HCG ran through the two weeks has helped recovery and keep your gains.
I’ve never cycled but I’m very interested in doing a cycle very similar to yours in the near future so let us know how it goes!
8 weeks Test E 500mg/wk
Short cycles are a thing…less aggressive gains but much easier recovery, from my understanding. Some people swear by them.
You shouldn’t need PCT after your first 2 week cycle. That’s the advantage of a short cycle.
There are good threads on the subject, here are 2:
I have to agree with Digo on this. 8 weeks of 500mg test anything should your first. I know I enjoyed it.
[quote]tcopeland93 wrote:
Short cycles are a thing…less aggressive gains but much easier recovery, from my understanding. Some people swear by them.
You shouldn’t need PCT after your first 2 week cycle. That’s the advantage of a short cycle.
There are good threads on the subject, here are 2:
They’re some of the main reasons for me choosing a 2 week cycle, is that i dont want it to be really obvious that ive used steroids, and since I’ve not taken them before I have no idea how i’ll react to them or what recovery would be like for me.
You said PCT isnt needed, but i am prone to gyno. Would it be best to keep PCT but just reduce it?
I’ve seen on most forums that the majority of people don’t like the idea of these short 2 week cycles, but for now thats the length I’d like to stick to. Ive been reading around but cant seem to find any close agreement on PCT length or dosage, or dosage of AI, but I know that it can differ between users. Since I’m new to it i dont want to take any risks but at the same time i dont want to rob myself of potential gains with too much AI. Is 700mg per week of test prop enough for reasonable results in 2 weeks?
Just man up and run a damn cycle.
It all depends on what you think of as ‘reasonable results.’
If you are hoping to put on 10 lbs you may be dissapointed, but if you are hoping to snag a maintainable pound or 2 then perhaps you may be satisfied, but depending on how big you are, your bodyfat percentage or level of development, it probably wont make that noticable of a difference after the water retention subsides.
However what it will do is give you a taste of what AAS are like, strength and libido increases notably, without shutting you down all that much.
I can’t confess to know much about 2 week cycles as I haven’t done any or read much about them but if I could venture a guess as to the best usage of such cycles it would be as follows. I doubt the ability to recover swiftly will outweigh the lack of growth you are going to achieve in such a short time as opposed to a longer 8-12 week cycle. The benefit as I imagine it would be that it doesnt tax your androgen receptors as much and I could see spiking high doses for a couple weeks and backing off for a couple weeks and maybe repeating this a couple times for those already running a low weekly test dose in a TRT fashion could be worth a try in order to kickstart some gains while keeping your receptors receptive to the drugs.
If visible results are your aim, especially as a beginner, I would opt for a standard cycle.
The two week cycles are for me to gauge how my body will react to AAS, as well as me wanting to avoid more harsh sides or shut down. And a few other reasons. If it goes well i will definitely consider a longer cycle of 8 weeks or so. But for now does this cycle look like it’d be good enough? Is the planned AI use and PCT ok or is it too much?
As for what i consider reasonable results, i hadnt really thought of poundage increase, i was just thinking about a boost to muscular performance. But i would be happy with something like a 3lb gain of it was possible.
Would the addition of say 40mg ED dbol improve that cycle?
[quote]RD32792 wrote:
As for what i consider reasonable results, i hadnt really thought of poundage increase, i was just thinking about a boost to muscular performance. But i would be happy with something like a 3lb gain of it was possible.
Would the addition of say 40mg ED dbol improve that cycle?[/quote]
I’m just going to give you something to think about. Rather than give you an answer, I 'll give you a question; Do you feel that your body can reach a sufficient T level, stay exposed to enough training and process enough protein through your liver for 2 weeks to gain 3 pounds of muscle?
I am training a lot currently. As for the protein, i would eat a lot of it, and and eat foods that aid protein digestion too. I dont know if my body can do it, but ive read on other forums about 3lbs being a minimum gain on short cycles, with some people reaching 10lbs+. I thought maybe with the higher dosage of test that 3lbs would be achievable. My target isnt to gain 3lbs though, that would just be a nice bonus
Also, from what i’ve read the gains supposedly dont just come from the 2 weeks on. I forget what was said now but it was something about a spike in natural T levels which raises them above normal during PCT, and this is meant to happen on these short cycles.
Sounds like you’ve made up your mind, let us know how it goes.
[quote]RD32792 wrote:
I am training a lot currently. As for the protein, i would eat a lot of it, and and eat foods that aid protein digestion too. I dont know if my body can do it, but ive read on other forums about 3lbs being a minimum gain on short cycles, with some people reaching 10lbs+. I thought maybe with the higher dosage of test that 3lbs would be achievable. My target isnt to gain 3lbs though, that would just be a nice bonus[/quote]
My friend, take a look at a 10 lb. roast in the store and that my bring it all into perspective.
As for the “T” spike, I can tell you only from personal experience that my “T” levels dropped after 4 weeks of TRT. Now that’s 4 weeks, not 2 and TRT doses so it may not be apples to apples. I am not sure when your nuts will decide to shut down.
I’m not saying do it or don’t do it. But promise to let us know how you make out, ok?
To be honest, i was thinking myself that 10lbs seems a ridiculous amount in 2 weeks. But since ive had no experience with this i dont really know what to expect, i’m just going off what i read. I was originally just looking for a performance boost rather than any real change in image.
Does this cycle look like it’ll give me that boost, and is it safe enough? I wont run it if you guys think its a dodgy cycle, but if you think its worth a go then ill run it and tell you how i get on. Thanks for all the advice
This is one of the dumbest ideas on this site I have read. And I have read a lot of dumb fucking ideas here.
I dont think thats fair to say its a dumb idea, but i’ll respect your opinion