[quote]pat wrote:
Moral relativism doesn’t exist. Things are either right or they are wrong. Moral relativism is just a way to intellectualize debauchery, it is a farce, it only exists in peoples minds who thrive on excusism.
Second, pulling facts out of your ass does not actually count as facts. That is unless your are arguing for “factual relativism” too. Or “reality relativism”. Things are what they are unless I don’t like them, so then I will revise them to make them like I’d like them to be.[/quote]
A-ha-ha!
You remind me of a bunch of bearded guy I had the displeasure to meet.
[quote]katzenjammer wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
The West has ruined itself because it no longer accepts or believes any moral absolutes. Islamists DO have moral absolutes, which makes them a determined and belligerent force in the face of a wavering relativistic West.
Until the West rediscovers the morality of Reason (which is more powerful than hogwash Islamist mystic morality), the Muslims will continue to move in on Europe.
True words these.
Benedict calls this the “dictatorship of relativism.”
How did the West become so confused as to believe that “tolerance” is merely a valueless “openness” untempered by positive values - where we abandon our powers of judgement & discernment? Indeed, tolerance only means something if it also includes positive moral values. [/quote]
We in the West have been taught to accept any sort of abomination, and to do otherwise is ‘intolerant’ or ‘racist’. The people who spout this say things like ‘Don’t judge!!’ — which really means they want to do something which your judgment would condemn.
To say that someone must have no criminal record before entering your country is ‘racist’. To state that immigrants must abide by the laws and customs of the country they’re entering is considered ‘intolerant’. To say that ‘This is England! If you want to be awakened by the Call to Prayer, go to fucking Riyadh if you want that!’ is ‘intolerant’.
I love the absolute morals and mores of my country. If someone tries to fuck with that, then I will REALLY become ‘intolerant’. Let’s hope Europeans start feeling this way too!
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
To say that someone must have no criminal record before entering your country is ‘racist’. To state that immigrants must abide by the laws and customs of the country they’re entering is considered ‘intolerant’. To say that ‘This is England! If you want to be awakened by the Call to Prayer, go to fucking Riyadh if you want that!’ is ‘intolerant’. [/quote]
I dare you to find a single person around here that agrees with any of those assertions.
Moral relativism doesn’t exist. Things are either right or they are wrong. Moral relativism is just a way to intellectualize debauchery, it is a farce, it only exists in peoples minds who thrive on excusism.
…why is government sanctioned murder ‘right’ and plain 'ol murder ‘wrong’?
…why is it when your government tortures it’s ‘right’, but when the enemy does it, it’s ‘wrong’?
…why is the expansion of one beliefsystem [democracy for instance] ‘right’, but an influx of another ‘wrong’?[/quote]
So true.
Back in the 90’s I was all for America to kick ass in the Gulf. After reading Chomsky, watching No End In Sight and a few other documentaries, I’m starting to see American foreign policy as the biggest threat to peace. The Australians just follow like pawns as we fuck the planet up.
[quote]lixy wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
To say that someone must have no criminal record before entering your country is ‘racist’. To state that immigrants must abide by the laws and customs of the country they’re entering is considered ‘intolerant’. To say that ‘This is England! If you want to be awakened by the Call to Prayer, go to fucking Riyadh if you want that!’ is ‘intolerant’.
I dare you to find a single person around here that agrees with any of those assertions.[/quote]
Around where you are? Well, you’ll win that one because no one up in those mountains will agree with me…duh!!
Just kidding, I know you mean here on the Nation.
Sorry kiddo, right and wrong are not subject to opinion polls.
[quote]Andrew Dixon wrote:
ephrem wrote:
pat wrote:
Moral relativism doesn’t exist. Things are either right or they are wrong. Moral relativism is just a way to intellectualize debauchery, it is a farce, it only exists in peoples minds who thrive on excusism.
…why is government sanctioned murder ‘right’ and plain 'ol murder ‘wrong’?
…why is it when your government tortures it’s ‘right’, but when the enemy does it, it’s ‘wrong’?
…why is the expansion of one beliefsystem [democracy for instance] ‘right’, but an influx of another ‘wrong’?
So true.
Back in the 90’s I was all for America to kick ass in the Gulf. After reading Chomsky, watching No End In Sight and a few other documentaries, I’m starting to see American foreign policy as the biggest threat to peace. The Australians just follow like pawns as we fuck the planet up.
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American Foreign Policy is the reason there even is an Australia today. Why do you think your leaders ally with us? They’re grateful and, being men, they don’t become rodent ingrates, like a lot of the rest of the world.
Quit reading and watching lib media. Libs are invested in American defeat. Libs gain power if America is defeated. Trouble is, if that happens, what happens to the world? Want to make out your tax cheque to the Red Chinese?
[quote]Andrew Dixon wrote:
ephrem wrote:
pat wrote:
Moral relativism doesn’t exist. Things are either right or they are wrong. Moral relativism is just a way to intellectualize debauchery, it is a farce, it only exists in peoples minds who thrive on excusism.
…why is government sanctioned murder ‘right’ and plain 'ol murder ‘wrong’?
…why is it when your government tortures it’s ‘right’, but when the enemy does it, it’s ‘wrong’?
…why is the expansion of one beliefsystem [democracy for instance] ‘right’, but an influx of another ‘wrong’?
So true.
Back in the 90’s I was all for America to kick ass in the Gulf. After reading Chomsky, watching No End In Sight and a few other documentaries, I’m starting to see American foreign policy as the biggest threat to peace. The Australians just follow like pawns as we fuck the planet up.
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Don’t believe Chomsky, he denies horrors perpetrated by communists and other American enemies (like the killing fields of Cambodia) and really stretches to pin many other things on the US. The man is a true piece of shit peddling his pack of lies to line his pockets.
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
Spry wrote:
Gkhan wrote:
We started Vietnam? The Vietnamese first kicked the French out, remember?
Perhaps, but shit, you invaded a sovereign country because they were commies.
No, the commies invaded the sovereign country and we tried to keep them out.[/quote]
Yup. The inconvenient truth. Whether it was smart to go in there is one question, whether it was morally right is another altogether. Just like Iraq, where I think the answers are probably the same.
[quote]Spry wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
American Foreign Policy is the reason there even is an Australia today.
The world wars were participated in by the British and a whole bunch of other countries as well.
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Agree with that,
but didn’t hear of any British ships at the battle of the Coral sea and Midway, which was the direct battles that pulled Australia’s arse out of the fire, without direct American intervention we would have been gone for all money.
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
lixy wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
To say that someone must have no criminal record before entering your country is ‘racist’. To state that immigrants must abide by the laws and customs of the country they’re entering is considered ‘intolerant’. To say that ‘This is England! If you want to be awakened by the Call to Prayer, go to fucking Riyadh if you want that!’ is ‘intolerant’.
I dare you to find a single person around here that agrees with any of those assertions.
Around where you are? Well, you’ll win that one because no one up in those mountains will agree with me…duh!!
Just kidding, I know you mean here on the Nation.
Sorry kiddo, right and wrong are not subject to opinion polls.] [/quote]
For someone making a living dealing with math, you sure are slow…
Once again, nobody is saying anything about any rules being “racist” or “intolerant”. So quit making those arguments as if anyone would challenged them.
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
Don’t believe Chomsky, he denies horrors perpetrated by communists and other American enemies (like the killing fields of Cambodia) [/quote]
If you’re going to slander somebody, the least you can do is come up with something believable. So show us where he denied “the killing fields of Cambodia” or shut the hell up.
[quote]lixy wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Don’t believe Chomsky, he denies horrors perpetrated by communists and other American enemies (like the killing fields of Cambodia)
If you’re going to slander somebody, the least you can do is come up with something believable. So show us where he denied “the killing fields of Cambodia” or shut the hell up.