[quote]T3hPwnisher wrote:
I’ll take that as a no.
Good luck on your training. Keep us updated.[/quote]
Yeah will do, i just want be massive and strong obviously it will be average amount of fat and muscle since am doing it natty but i rather be that then be shredded and skinny with a bit of muscle (i heard you need steroids if you want to get both big and ripped) but that is just me.
[quote]MaazerSmiit wrote:
[quote]theiceman13 wrote:
[quote]LoRez wrote:
[quote]theiceman13 wrote:
Those guys are on the juice thro.[/quote]
You wanted to know whether people with a smaller frame can support significant levels of muscle. Every single one of those pictures demonstrates that it’s possible.[/quote]
The only reason these guys can support that amount of muscle is because of steroids.[/quote]
Can of worms opening - the majority of people with any physique comparable to those guys used steroids to get there, that doesn’t make Lorez’s point about bone structure not being a limiting factor any less valid.
Besides, the 230lbs bear mode (read: 20-30% bf) physique you’re after isn’t comparable to elite bodybuilders. You will not be carrying anywhere near as much muscle as those guys, and steroids will not be any concern of yours for a while.
Stop limiting yourself by focusing on bullshit noone big and strong actually cares about.
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‘Noone big and strong’ sorry i dunno what you mean there and 30%? Did the strongman weigh 300Lbs.
[quote]theiceman13 wrote:
anyone regardless of bone structure can be a lean, ripped 200 plus lbs[/quote]
If this is what you believe, why is Lorez’s post an issue? It seems like you know the answer anyway - bone structure is such a non-issue that steroid usage doesn’t even matter to get to this physique.
You’ve stated your goal as gaining muscle, and presumably some fat, in order to weigh 230lbs and look like a front row rugby player. I don’t know if you also want to play rugby, or just look like you do.
I weigh 230lbs at 6’1" and am probably close to 20%. I am “big” by most people’s standards, and jack shit by people on this site’s standards. In terms of looking like a front row forward, no. At a guess I’d want to be at least 260lbs to look the size of the guys who play at the local level in my area, pro players can be a lot bigger. Body fat amongst props is really variable, some have massive guts, and some look a lot more athletic. My point is, I don’t think your goal bodyweight is in line with your goal physique (and probably not your goal performance - you’ll struggle to move the bigger guys at that bodyweight).
The best thing you can do is post a current photo of yourself, and a photo of the physique you want, and clarify if you actually want to play rugby or just look like you do.
Maybe then you’ll get more advice, but it doesn’t really matter - people have suggested several good programs already, any of them will do, especially if you commit to it and bust your ass while eating enough to grow - refer to Pwnisher’s advice there.
Stop limiting yourself with bone structure - noone cares. You can try to reach your goal, and stand a chance of failing, or give up before you even start and stand no chance of success.
[quote]theiceman13 wrote:
‘Noone big and strong’ sorry i dunno what you mean there and 30%? Did the strongman weigh 300Lbs.[/quote]
The majority of people who are big and strong got that way by working hard and not caring about what their limits might be, eg, bone structure.
I pulled 20-30% as a number because that sounds like a “bearish” bodyfat percentage. It would really help if you could define your goal here, if bear mode/rugby prop physique means something different to big, heavy, mix of muscle and fat, let me know.
What strongman are you referring to?
You seem really reluctant to acknowledge you might have any potential.
How about you shoot for big, lean, muscular and see what happens, instead of resigning yourself to believing that that physique is only obtainable by people with great bone structure who are on roids?
Unless you actually want to be big, fat and muscular, in which case, best of luck to you, go achieve your goal.
What makes you think rugby players aren’t on the juice?
[quote]MaazerSmiit wrote:
[quote]theiceman13 wrote:
anyone regardless of bone structure can be a lean, ripped 200 plus lbs[/quote]
If this is what you believe, why is Lorez’s post an issue? It seems like you know the answer anyway - bone structure is such a non-issue that steroid usage doesn’t even matter to get to this physique.
You’ve stated your goal as gaining muscle, and presumably some fat, in order to weigh 230lbs and look like a front row rugby player. I don’t know if you also want to play rugby, or just look like you do.
I weigh 230lbs at 6’1" and am probably close to 20%. I am “big” by most people’s standards, and jack shit by people on this site’s standards. In terms of looking like a front row forward, no. At a guess I’d want to be at least 260lbs to look the size of the guys who play at the local level in my area, pro players can be a lot bigger. Body fat amongst props is really variable, some have massive guts, and some look a lot more athletic. My point is, I don’t think your goal bodyweight is in line with your goal physique (and probably not your goal performance - you’ll struggle to move the bigger guys at that bodyweight).
The best thing you can do is post a current photo of yourself, and a photo of the physique you want, and clarify if you actually want to play rugby or just look like you do.
Maybe then you’ll get more advice, but it doesn’t really matter - people have suggested several good programs already, any of them will do, especially if you commit to it and bust your ass while eating enough to grow - refer to Pwnisher’s advice there.
Stop limiting yourself with bone structure - noone cares. You can try to reach your goal, and stand a chance of failing, or give up before you even start and stand no chance of success.[/quote]
I said anyone can be massive and ripped on steroids regardless of bone structure but natural? Different story.
You can be a rugby prop at 230lbs, as i seen professionals who do…btw you say rugby props have a big belly? its just i keep hearing that rugby players 230 or over at 10% bodyfat?
Yess i want to perform like a rugby prop.
[quote]MaazerSmiit wrote:
[quote]theiceman13 wrote:
‘Noone big and strong’ sorry i dunno what you mean there and 30%? Did the strongman weigh 300Lbs.[/quote]
The majority of people who are big and strong got that way by working hard and not caring about what their limits might be, eg, bone structure.
I pulled 20-30% as a number because that sounds like a “bearish” bodyfat percentage. It would really help if you could define your goal here, if bear mode/rugby prop physique means something different to big, heavy, mix of muscle and fat, let me know.
What strongman are you referring to?
You seem really reluctant to acknowledge you might have any potential.
How about you shoot for big, lean, muscular and see what happens, instead of resigning yourself to believing that that physique is only obtainable by people with great bone structure who are on roids?
Unless you actually want to be big, fat and muscular, in which case, best of luck to you, go achieve your goal.[/quote]
Oh bearmode is another name for strongman/rugby prop, i first and mainly heard the term on another site.
This is a fat loss diet, but it’s honestly a good starting point nutritionally. I would say just push the potatoes and meat a little heavier.
[quote]theiceman13 wrote:
I said anyone can be massive and ripped on steroids regardless of bone structure but natural? Different story.
You can be a rugby prop at 230lbs, as i seen professionals who do…btw you say rugby props have a big belly? its just i keep hearing that rugby players 230 or over at 10% bodyfat?
Yess i want to perform like a rugby prop.
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Oh bearmode is another name for strongman/rugby prop, i first and mainly heard the term on another site[/quote]
Still needs defining properly - but I’m assuming now you want to be 230lbs ish and around 10% bf. I don’t necessarily think that’s an accurate representation of your typical prop, but it’s a fine goal. Now follow the advice people gave you and shoot for it.
Final thing - if you want to perform like a prop, practice the sport and stay fit - you’ll be 230lbs and constantly on the move running and wrestling other players, it takes a lot more work that most realize.
Good luck, make sure to check back in with your progress in a couple of months.
Mark rippetoe routinely gets newbs from 140 to 200 in year, this site has many other examples like this.
Bradley Cooper was trained by T-Nation guys and went from 183 to 225 in 3months for the American sniper film.
Are you looking for excuses or to make progress?
Do you know any rugby players that bulked up for their positions? Why haven’t you asked them how much they had to eat?
[quote]MaazerSmiit wrote:
I pulled 20-30% as a number because that sounds like a “bearish” bodyfat percentage. [/quote]
There’s a bar in Paris called the “Bears’ Den”, and although I always used to quicken my pace whenever I passed it, most of the guys hanging around outside in leather waistcoats looked to be around this bodyfat percentage.
So you didn’t get a chance to measure their bones?
No, but it’s not like I couldn’t if I wanted to.
OP, how much weight have you gained since you first posted?
[quote]MaazerSmiit wrote:
So you didn’t get a chance to measure their boners?[/quote]
[quote]MaazerSmiit wrote:
So you didn’t get a chance to measure their bones?[/quote]
Loved this!
I do hate this whole bone structure thing, I have girl wrists and ankles but I wouldn’t exactly call myself small aside from that (6ft 1", 225lbs, ~14% bf). People (i.e. the OP) needs to concentrate on doing what they can as best they can and not worry about what other people say they’re capable of.
Nothing like limiting yourself by worrying about others preconceived perceptions of whats possible. It’s a self fulfilling prophecy IMO
[quote]rusty92 wrote:
[quote]MaazerSmiit wrote:
So you didn’t get a chance to measure their bones?[/quote]
Loved this!
I do hate this whole bone structure thing, I have girl wrists and ankles but I wouldn’t exactly call myself small aside from that (6ft 1", 225lbs, ~14% bf). People (i.e. the OP) needs to concentrate on doing what they can as best they can and not worry about what other people say they’re capable of.
Nothing like limiting yourself by worrying about others preconceived perceptions of whats possible. It’s a self fulfilling prophecy IMO[/quote]
I think it’s safe to assume at this point that the OP is a troll.
For the record, I also have tiny wrists/elbows etc. It probably does limit my strength, and certainly limits my size. I’ve found that dwelling on it and worrying about it hasn’t yet helped me change is so I stopped. I agree with Rusty92 100%
We used to have a natty poster on here who weighed 285 pounds around 25% bodyfat at 5’10" (more impressive than you think it is btw), who enjoyed discussions such as this.
[quote]jeremielemauvais wrote:
We used to have a natty poster on here who weighed 285 pounds around 25% bodyfat at 5’10" (more impressive than you think it is btw), who enjoyed discussions such as this.[/quote]
He was the only reason why I kept reading this site in the mid 2000s.