If you could only buy one what would you buy?
Why don’t they just make BCAA’s with more luecene?
I would never buy luecene
I’d trust leucine tough
I’d do pure leucine.
I’ve had more noticeable results with L-Leucine than high-dose BCAA.
[quote]ChrisKing wrote:
I’ve had more noticeable results with L-Leucine than high-dose BCAA.[/quote]
How do you use your L-Leucine? Do you add it with meals like the Biotest product suggests or during your workout?
high jack time - do the other 2 BCAAs and leucine compete?? if you could only buy one or the other, which one would you guys buy??
[quote]ashylarryku wrote:
[quote]ChrisKing wrote:
I’ve had more noticeable results with L-Leucine than high-dose BCAA.[/quote]
How do you use your L-Leucine? Do you add it with meals like the Biotest product suggests or during your workout?[/quote]
Both
[quote]zraw wrote:
[quote]ashylarryku wrote:
[quote]ChrisKing wrote:
I’ve had more noticeable results with L-Leucine than high-dose BCAA.[/quote]
How do you use your L-Leucine? Do you add it with meals like the Biotest product suggests or during your workout?[/quote]
Both[/quote]
Noice. I think I might have to add this to my next order. Looks really cheap for a bunch of servings. I love you Biotest
actually Id like to know whats the best way to take BCAAs.
should they be added to protein powder or taken alone?
as Ive heard that free form L Glutamine competes for absorption with protein was wondering if it applies to free form BCAAs
As I remember from their first article on Leucine, its’ effects are diminished quite a bit in the presence of the other two BCAAs. So not that you can’t do both, they just need to be separated. I think a good rule of thumb is a big dose of the BCAAs peri-workout and the Leucine with meals.
leucine by itself increases muscle protein synthesis. By
combing leucine with protein and carbohydrate, you get quite the anabolic supereffect.
For example, in one study eight male subjects were randomly assigned to three trials in
which they consumed drinks containing either carbohydrate (CHO), carbohydrate and
protein (CHO+PRO), or carbohydrate, protein, and free leucine (CHO+PRO+Leu)
following 45 min of resistance exercise. They discovered that plasma insulin response
was higher in the CHO+PRO+Leu compared with the CHO and CHO+PRO trials. Whole
body protein breakdown rates were lower, and whole body protein synthesis rates were
higher, in the CHO+PRO and CHO+PRO+Leu trials compared with the CHO trial;
moreover, the addition of leucine in the CHO+PRO+Leu trial resulted in a lower protein
oxidation rate compared with the CHO+PRO trial. And to top it off, muscle protein
synthesis, measured over a 6h
period of postexercise
recovery, was significantly greater
in the CHO+PRO+Leu trial compared with the CHO trial with intermediate values
observed in the CHO+PRO trial.
[quote]AzCats wrote:
leucine by itself increases muscle protein synthesis. By
combing leucine with protein and carbohydrate, you get quite the anabolic supereffect.
For example, in one study eight male subjects were randomly assigned to three trials in
which they consumed drinks containing either carbohydrate (CHO), carbohydrate and
protein (CHO+PRO), or carbohydrate, protein, and free leucine (CHO+PRO+Leu)
following 45 min of resistance exercise. They discovered that plasma insulin response
was higher in the CHO+PRO+Leu compared with the CHO and CHO+PRO trials. Whole
body protein breakdown rates were lower, and whole body protein synthesis rates were
higher, in the CHO+PRO and CHO+PRO+Leu trials compared with the CHO trial�¾
moreover, the addition of leucine in the CHO+PRO+Leu trial resulted in a lower protein
oxidation rate compared with the CHO+PRO trial. And to top it off, muscle protein
synthesis, measured over a 6h
period of postexercise
recovery, was significantly greater
in the CHO+PRO+Leu trial compared with the CHO trial with intermediate values
observed in the CHO+PRO trial.[/quote]
Can you provide a reference to this article? i would like to read up on it…thnx!!
I think leucine alone won’t work. You need other AAs for results.
I’d buy BCAA.
[quote]juanke wrote:
I think leucine alone won’t work. You need other AAs for results.
I’d buy BCAA.[/quote]
Based on? You said you think, so does this mean you don’t know and are just guessing or do you have something to back it up?
[quote]juanke wrote:
I think leucine alone won’t work. You need other AAs for results.
I’d buy BCAA.[/quote]
While that may make sense initially, studies have shown that just 2 grams of L-Leucine by itself in 167 lbs individuals is enough to spark muscle/protein synthesis.
[quote]cueball wrote:
[quote]juanke wrote:
I think leucine alone won’t work. You need other AAs for results.
I’d buy BCAA.[/quote]
Based on? You said you think, so does this mean you don’t know and are just guessing or do you have something to back it up? [/quote]
“To make the most of what you eat, you need two parts L-Leucine and two parts L-Valine for every one part of L-Isoleucine. You’ll fail to get optimal results if you fall short of meeting this exact ratio.”
According to this bodybuilding leucine product info.
Searched BCAA’s in wiki cause I didn’t know the difference between BCAA’s and all the other amino acids:
The combination of these three essential amino acids makes up approximately 1/3 of skeletal muscle in the human body, and plays an important role in protein synthesis. BCAAâ??s are currently used clinically to aid in the recovery of burn victims, as well as for supplementation for strength athletes. Unlike other amino acids that when consumed in free form which are absorbed and processed by the liver, branched chain amino acids are absorbed directly by muscle tissue.
Does anybody else want to share any info on the differences of BCAA’s and the other AA’s.
How much Leucine does 30 grams of whey protein have? Obviously not enough if it is beneficial to take additional Leucine
[quote]bateager wrote:
Searched BCAA’s in wiki cause I didn’t know the difference between BCAA’s and all the other amino acids:
The combination of these three essential amino acids makes up approximately 1/3 of skeletal muscle in the human body, and plays an important role in protein synthesis. BCAAâ??s are currently used clinically to aid in the recovery of burn victims, as well as for supplementation for strength athletes. Unlike other amino acids that when consumed in free form which are absorbed and processed by the liver, branched chain amino acids are absorbed directly by muscle tissue.
Does anybody else want to share any info on the differences of BCAA’s and the other AA’s.
How much Leucine does 30 grams of whey protein have? Obviously not enough if it is beneficial to take additional Leucine
[/quote]
I don’t think there is an answer to this. Protein is just digested and broken down and used for various purposes in the body i.e. for repair as in repair of tissue and in the mouth as a digestive enzyme. How much leucine is in whey or any other protein is just about where the various amino acids of the protein are needed in the body. You can eat amino acid supplements to boost the effects of protein eaten.
I’m a bit confused I went to Albertsons to pick up some stuff and saw they were doing buy 1 get 1 free on almost all vitamins and supplements. There was no L-Leucine but they did have L-Lysine which I honestly couldnt remember how it was spelled. I thought it was Leu but I told the pharmacist do you have Leucine spelled Leucine and he had never heard of it… oops on me and him.
Anyways according to Wiki:
As a dietary supplement, leucine has been found to slow the degradation of muscle tissue by increasing the synthesis of muscle proteins in aged rats.[3] Leucine is utilized in the liver, adipose tissue, and muscle tissue. In adipose and muscle tissue, leucine is used in the formation of sterols, and the combined usage of leucine in these two tissues is seven times greater than its use in the liver.
While also according to Wiki:
L-Lysine is a necessary building block for all protein in the body. L-Lysine plays a major role in calcium absorption; building muscle protein; recovering from surgery or sports injuries; and the body’s production of hormones, enzymes, and antibodies.
Should I return the L-Lysine and go elsewhere in search of L-Leucine? Or should I just keep it since it was very cheap ($6.99 for 2 bottles) and still search for L-Leucine at a different store?
Stay with the lysine and buy leucine.
And the fight between BCAA and leucine, cycle both since once the body adapts the results diminish!!
Every 3 weeks.
Leucine is the key animo acid to start protein synthesis ( Leucine regulates translation initiation of protein synthesis in skeletal muscle after exercise - PubMed )
BCAA are glucogenic they enter the alanine cycle so in a way the are anticatabolic as a group. But Leucine by it self is anabolic !!
EAA’s are the only ones needed to start protein synthesis.
So its either high doses of leucine, high doses of BCAA, EAA’s. So every strategy has its pro’s.
quote]Enders Drift wrote:
I’m a bit confused I went to Albertsons to pick up some stuff and saw they were doing buy 1 get 1 free on almost all vitamins and supplements. There was no L-Leucine but they did have L-Lysine which I honestly couldnt remember how it was spelled. I thought it was Leu but I told the pharmacist do you have Leucine spelled Leucine and he had never heard of it… oops on me and him.
Anyways according to Wiki:
As a dietary supplement, leucine has been found to slow the degradation of muscle tissue by increasing the synthesis of muscle proteins in aged rats.[3] Leucine is utilized in the liver, adipose tissue, and muscle tissue. In adipose and muscle tissue, leucine is used in the formation of sterols, and the combined usage of leucine in these two tissues is seven times greater than its use in the liver.
While also according to Wiki:
L-Lysine is a necessary building block for all protein in the body. L-Lysine plays a major role in calcium absorption; building muscle protein; recovering from surgery or sports injuries; and the body’s production of hormones, enzymes, and antibodies.
Should I return the L-Lysine and go elsewhere in search of L-Leucine? Or should I just keep it since it was very cheap ($6.99 for 2 bottles) and still search for L-Leucine at a different store?[/quote]