BBB: Nootropics for Studying

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[quote]skaz05 wrote:

[quote]johnconkle wrote:
I tried vinpo and DMAE. I didn’t notice their effects. If anything, I found it harder to concentrate in the time period I was taking them (fall quarter 2009).

It could have been due to other factors, but I’m not convinced.[/quote]

I’m having similar results. I started taking nootropics about two months ago, and it appears as if they are having the opposite effect on me than what they claim.

Maybe someone here can help?

I’m currently taking:
DMAE 100 mg
Vinpocetine 10 mg
Aniracetam 750 mg
Choline 420 mg

I take all 4 supps 3 times a day, with food, about 4 hours apart. I’m also taking fish oil, and a mutli.

I don’t know if it’s me, or what, but I feel like my mind gets more cloudy, I have to think about things a little longer, and I get confused much more easily.

Hoping someone here could give me some suggestions. Thanks.[/quote]

Nootropics can sometimes have the opposite effect on people, but it’s rare. In such cases I’d suggested lowering your doses, or using them individually to see how you respond to each on it’s own.

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[quote]skaz05 wrote:

[quote]johnconkle wrote:
I tried vinpo and DMAE. I didn’t notice their effects. If anything, I found it harder to concentrate in the time period I was taking them (fall quarter 2009).

It could have been due to other factors, but I’m not convinced.[/quote]

I’m having similar results. I started taking nootropics about two months ago, and it appears as if they are having the opposite effect on me than what they claim.

Maybe someone here can help?

I’m currently taking:
DMAE 100 mg
Vinpocetine 10 mg
Aniracetam 750 mg
Choline 420 mg

I take all 4 supps 3 times a day, with food, about 4 hours apart. I’m also taking fish oil, and a mutli.

I don’t know if it’s me, or what, but I feel like my mind gets more cloudy, I have to think about things a little longer, and I get confused much more easily.

Hoping someone here could give me some suggestions. Thanks.[/quote]

I’d try lowering the dose, and simplifying your stack to single out what doesn’t work for YOU.

Also, the quality could be a problem, too.

Double post.

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Thanks for the answer.

How long does the hippocampus damage take to actually be apparent?

Would a stack of nootropics aid the brain in repairing a stress damaged hippocampus?

Vinpocetine 3 x 10mg
DMAE 600mg once or twice per day

Is what I’m looking at so far, I’m considering adding a racetam aswell but I’m trying to decide between piracetam and aniracetam.

I’m leaning toward piracetam because of the price.

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[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:

[quote]Defekt wrote:
Thanks for the answer.

How long does the hippocampus damage take to actually be apparent?

Would a stack of nootropics aid the brain in repairing a stress damaged hippocampus?

Vinpocetine 3 x 10mg
DMAE 600mg once or twice per day

Is what I’m looking at so far, I’m considering adding a racetam aswell but I’m trying to decide between piracetam and aniracetam.

I’m leaning toward piracetam because of the price. [/quote]

Lol, just don’t use the adderal. Oxi gives a mild stim effect, Spike is good, modafinil is excellent. Adrafinil is not scheduled where you live.

Consider that piracetam may be a false economy, given that you need at least 3 x the dose of ani.

BBB[/quote]

Well I got some piracetam, vinpo, DMAE, and choline. I wasn’t exactly sure if DMAE and choline did the same thing, or of supplementing wit DMAE would be sufficient, so I bought some choline too, being as its like $10 for 300 grams. I plan on adding in the choline/DMAE first (how would you suggest to dose these two), then the vinpo, then the piracetam, so that I can get a better understanding of whats doing what.

But yeah, I really don’t know how much choline or DMAE I should be taking, or if its okay to take them together, or anything really. The only thing I’ve read is a 1-1 ration of piracetam to choline, but how does this convert if I’m using DMAE?

And as for the piracetam, 1.8-2.4 grams per day is standard? What about this “attack dose” I am reading about.

As for the adderall, I’m just going to use up what I have (60mg, 3-5 days worth) and then not buy anymore.

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In theory would nootropics help with the acquisition of motor skills as well as literal information? I other words would they be beneficial for someone looking to become a professional fighter, or something similar?

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good thread. I bought piracetam and vinpo after reading the huge thread a bit ago. now its not everyday, buti notice a slight increase in focus…perhaps i should be more regular with it???

and from what i understand …aniracetam is better than piracetam or is there some specific use for piracetam compared to the others?

I loved adderral while i was in college though, not so much for studying but for long ass intersting convos with people

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[quote]Defekt wrote:

And as for the piracetam, 1.8-2.4 grams per day is standard? What about this “attack dose” I am reading about.

As for the adderall, I’m just going to use up what I have (60mg, 3-5 days worth) and then not buy anymore. [/quote]

Normal dosing is higher than that. Don’t have a number off the top of my head as I’m part of the Aniracetam team, but I’m pretty sure that general maintenance is higher than 1.8-2.4g daily.

You have to take a lot of Pira to get anything out of it.

I wouldn’t worry too much about the Adderall, it’s just not ideal for actually learning things.

It is however great for when you have stuff to do. You can get a lot of shit done with it.

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Well, I bought 500 grams of it, so even at 9 grams a day thats still over 55 days I have.

Yeah, I used up the last of my adderall today and don’t plan on getting any more any time soon.

My piracetam came in the mail today but my DMAE, chooline and vinpo just got shipped today so I can’t anything. Apparently 3-5 day shipping means a week for some companies, sigh.

I’ll post with some updates in a bit once I see how they work for me.

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Fantastic thread, very concise. Ordered some aniracetam, DMAE and vinpo, now it’s just a matter of time. I have a related question: what would you recommend for winding down at night? I routinely have 14-16 hour days of just non-stop work, some of it quite stressful, so it can be very difficult to make the brain shut down and sleep.

Obviously, I’ve tried all the silly things like meditation, counting sheep, valerian, white noise, ZMA, temperature changes, darkening the room, rubbing one out, drinking milk and eating carbs, and everything else that’s been “recommended”. Looking for something with a bit more kick - i.e. something that actually works. I’m in Canada, which seems to limit my options in terms of stuff like Ambien.

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aRE they harmful for a 15(ok 16 in 8 days) to take?

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Bushy since you’re the defacto script writer for this stuff I’m feeding back that I’ve been experimenting w/ your suggestions since the original noop thread and Vinpo & Oxi have become the main arrows in my quiver … I’m on Vinpo now regularly for about 18 months and occasional Oxi has proven to be an awesome boost when needed, but I don’t hit it too much- about 100g in 2 years…I’ll also add that my sweet spot for Vinpo is just 2-3 5mg dose ED and i often go 3 weeks on 1 off. More than that and I get a washed-out-mildly-confused feeling like I’ve had too much sleep. I am generally more sensitive than most and consistently need lesser than usual doses to get good results be it Caffeine, Tyrosine, ALC, Spike, Add, etc… my two cents. Thanks for your killer info and usual excellence!

  • did you ever get that M Coupe or what ?
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[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:

[quote]Kinoz wrote:
Fantastic thread, very concise. Ordered some aniracetam, DMAE and vinpo, now it’s just a matter of time. I have a related question: what would you recommend for winding down at night? I routinely have 14-16 hour days of just non-stop work, some of it quite stressful, so it can be very difficult to make the brain shut down and sleep.

Obviously, I’ve tried all the silly things like meditation, counting sheep, valerian, white noise, ZMA, temperature changes, darkening the room, rubbing one out, drinking milk and eating carbs, and everything else that’s been “recommended”. Looking for something with a bit more kick - i.e. something that actually works. I’m in Canada, which seems to limit my options in terms of stuff like Ambien.[/quote]

Bacopa (2 x 600mg caps) and 2-4 regular B complex vitamin pills.

Add glycine and/or PS if that isn’t strong enough.[/quote]

Glycine works very well, I would suggest GABA along with it.

GABA works very well, take them both, toss in some 5-HTP too.

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[quote]Marlind wrote:
aRE they harmful for a 15(ok 16 in 8 days) to take?[/quote]

Why? What are you studying that’s so hard? High School math?

Don’t play with your brain chemistry when you’re still in your formative years.

Stick with the simple, natural stuff like vinpo and choline sources. You’ll probably get some decent bang for your buck. Leave the stuff that has a bigger effect on brain chemistry alone for a few more years. The adolescent brain can respond differently to a lot of things than the adult brain.

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"Vinpocetine has been implicated in one case to induce agranulocytosis,[15] a condition in which granulocytes, are markedly decreased. Some people have anecdotally noted that their continued use of vinpocetine reduces immune function. Commission E warned that vinpocetine reduced immune function and could cause apoptosis in the long term.[16]

Other alkaloids extracted from the periwinkle family, including Vincristine and Vinblastine are powerful chemotherapeutic agents which impair formation of microtubules and thus growth of related cancers, intestinal epithelium and bone marrow. The periwinkle family has contributed many powerful drugs to modern medicine however, Vinpocetine needs further testing in the minds of many physicians and researchers before it should be used for any particular purpose.[citation needed] The case of agranulocytosis mentioned above is very concerning from a clinician’s standpoint."

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You lost credibility by quoting Wikipedia as your source.