And the 6 week blocks are discussed in the Weak Point training article. So you can see where in your training where you are failing (failing = less than 90% compliance which is probably too lax). I don’t think anyone really things “weak point” training is about muscle groups (unless one is getting judged via body part). That kind of thinking in a movement-based sport is laughable and I once thought it to have some merit.
We all live and learn. Trends always suck. Principles and common sense endure.
[quote]Jim Wendler wrote:
That’s what the Beyond book is about. 6 week blocks. An article rarely helps since very few people read articles. [/quote]
True and true. You say few people read articles, I feel few people actually read the book. I think with training articles or books people often just jump to the part where there is a template then copy that down and head to the gym. I now I used to do this. I urge anyone who has not yet done so to sit down and actually READ the books. By reading I mean read and the templates and all the words in between. Everything will be much clearer after you have done this. Even read the parts about templates you may not want to do. I think anyone who does this will be able to answer a lot of their own question about the program. Also you will then understand why you are doing certain things which will better allow you to adapt 5/3/1 or any training method to your personal needs and goals.
That being said I am not trying to discourage questions on this forum. I think the forum is a great place to share ideas and learn. And it is great Jim Wendler the program’s creator takes the time to help! There is no one better to ask.
[quote]Jim Wendler wrote:
We all live and learn. Trends always suck. Principles and common sense endure. [/quote]
Again very true. 5/3/1 1st Ed. was all about what you had learned after leaving for sport of power lifting. Beyond shows what you have learned since. The are differences between the books, but if you really look the principles are present in both books. Thanks for sharing your knowledge with us!
[quote]some_dude wrote:
I learned more about training by following a simple template for six months than I ever learned asking questions on an Internet forum.
That’s not to say that I didn’t learn anything from an Internet forum… Just that experience is a superior teacher.[/quote]
Good point. There is value in doing. Especially since you need to figure out what works for you and your goals.
99% of what you learn will be from experience. The rest is from reading.
You can’t become a great painter by reading about painting. Training is no different. Go in, train hard and smart, make common sense decisions based on your written training log. Believe it or not, people got really strong before there were forums. It’s a hard concept to grasp for many. But I’ve seen it.
If people arent willing to read a few books, seems like the problem is bigger than training. And that can’t be helped until someone takes personal responsibility for their success.
[quote]some_dude wrote:
I learned more about training by following a simple template for six months than I ever learned asking questions on an Internet forum.
That’s not to say that I didn’t learn anything from an Internet forum… Just that experience is a superior teacher.[/quote]
Right but at the end of the day we are ON a forum, and I think if youve been through similar experience and are willing to comment it should be constructive to the question at hand. Any of us with even a decent total understand no one can teach you what youll learn in the gym, but at the end of the day, we gotta understand where we are. On a forum answering and asking questions.
[quote]Jim Wendler wrote:
99% of what you learn will be from experience. The rest is from reading.
You can’t become a great painter by reading about painting. Training is no different. Go in, train hard and smart, make common sense decisions based on your written training log. Believe it or not, people got really strong before there were forums. It’s a hard concept to grasp for many. But I’ve seen it.
If people arent willing to read a few books, seems like the problem is bigger than training. And that can’t be helped until someone takes personal responsibility for their success. [/quote]
This is absolutly the truth. I will point out though that I get a TON from the “45 points about benching” type articles that dave tate use to write. In all honesty I maybe used 3 points after reading, but would come back when id reach a sticking point and look at more points and actually understand them later on in my lifting. Same with your own writing, especially on diet(which is strange because you dont like giving diet advice), but after being a big diet guy, your “eating” advice has been the most practical and usefel ive ever read
[quote]Jim Wendler wrote:
That’s how the original program (BBB) was written. If you want to do it, I would run it for 6 week cycle and see how you like it.
There seems to be a theme going on here. Anyone want to guess what it is? [/quote]
Can we make a sticky that answers all “what about this template” questions that simply reads “try it for a 6 week block”?[/quote]