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[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]hungry4more wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]LoRez wrote:

Minimum wage is still more than welfare.
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I am sorry this is big BULL SHIT . You can not even afford the Insurance you get with welfare if you spent all your minimum wage on Ins.

$8500 a year for single try a family.

You should change that name to low wattage :slight_smile:
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Healthcare is NOT a right. [/quote]

You are right it is a luxury a good amount of Americans think could be done better VIA government[/quote]

A lot of Americans think the sun revolves around the earth.

They are not qualified to decide shit.[/quote]

true , no one is qualified to decide shit :slight_smile:

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

IMO exploiting cheap labor is the mistreatment

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How do they exploit them?

That is the question. What is it that happens that makes you think of “wage slavery”?

What actual events bring you to this conclusion?[/quote]

I am curious why or what you do not understand ? IMO exploiting cheap labor is mistreatment[/quote]

What I don’t understand is what does Wal-Mart do that exploits its labor force.

Let me try this another way:

Do the employees get paid over or under market wage? [/quote]

:smiley:

You have a particular understanding of the Market that justifies the wage, regardless of what it is. So what does it matter what the market wage is Beans?

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[quote]benos4752 wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

No the jobs that pay enough would be enough incentive to relocate . [/quote]

Do you even listen to yourself think?

This post right here destroys your entire “evil WalMart” post binge.

EDIT: punctuation[/quote]

if it does then you do not understand me , which is very probable because I have never stated Walmart was evil (in this thread :slight_smile: I have even stated if Walmart were not to exploit these workers , some one else would
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In your own words:

the jobs that pay enough would be enough incentive to relocate. Just swap out “relocate” for “find a new job”. Problem solved
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Problem is everybody is paying minimum wage , which is far below livable wage
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That’s a lie. As already pointed out, the idea that all that is available is minimum wage is wrong, and that mindset is part of the problem.

Beyond that though, it is a livable wage. It’s not a luxury wage. There will be some struggle at times. But two parents, both on minimum wage, can put food on the table. Like I said, it wont be luxurious. But, the things that are truly important (roof over your head, clothes on your back, food in your stomach) are attainable.[/quote]

Nah, you can’t where I live. Cost of living is too much, you have to be able to afford a studio and some diapers and formula. Likely going to be eating on some government peanut butter sammiches and food stamp credit card, and the bus!

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[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]hungry4more wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]LoRez wrote:

Minimum wage is still more than welfare.
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I am sorry this is big BULL SHIT . You can not even afford the Insurance you get with welfare if you spent all your minimum wage on Ins.

$8500 a year for single try a family.

You should change that name to low wattage :slight_smile:
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Healthcare is NOT a right. [/quote]

You are right it is a luxury a good amount of Americans think could be done better VIA government[/quote]

Quote from Obama/McCain debates.

“Obama: Well, I think it [healthcare] should be a right for every American”

So you disagree with Obama on this?

Because that basic premise of his, that HC is a fundamental right, is the very basis for government provided/mandated healthcare.

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[quote]hungry4more wrote:

Quote from Obama/McCain debates.

“Obama: Well, I think it [healthcare] should be a right for every American”

So you disagree with Obama on this?
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absolutely I think you are toying with semantics , Obama is entitled to see things how ever he likes , after all he is president

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[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]hungry4more wrote:

Quote from Obama/McCain debates.

“Obama: Well, I think it [healthcare] should be a right for every American”

So you disagree with Obama on this?
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absolutely I think you are toying with semantics , Obama is entitled to see things how ever he likes , after all he is president[/quote]

Lol of course he can see things however he likes. A person can think that murder is morally acceptable. But in both cases, it doesn’t make them right.

But that’s somewhat irrelevant. Do you agree with Obama, that healthcare is a right, alongside life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness?

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[quote]hungry4more wrote:
. Do you agree with Obama, that healthcare is a right, alongside life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness?[/quote]

Yes

Only because America is so wealthy. We need to reprioritize

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[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]hungry4more wrote:
. Do you agree with Obama, that healthcare is a right, alongside life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness?[/quote]

Yes

Only because America is so wealthy. We need to reprioritize [/quote]

Lol. That’s not how this works. We’re talking about inherent, inalienable rights.

It’s not a case of “Well because this country has enough money, this is a right”. Either it’s a right, or it isn’t.

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[quote]hungry4more wrote:

Lol. That’s not how this works.[/quote]

So are you telling me that the only rights I have are guaranteed in the Constitution ?

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[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]hungry4more wrote:

Lol. That’s not how this works.[/quote]

So are you telling me that the only rights I have are guaranteed in the Constitution ?
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Actually no, but if the only way to get your “right”. by violating the rights that actually are that should be hint.

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[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]hungry4more wrote:

Lol. That’s not how this works.[/quote]

So are you telling me that the only rights I have are guaranteed in the Constitution ?
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Actually no, but if the only way to get your “right”. by violating the rights that actually are that should be hint.

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Do you feel Eisenhower building the Interstate system in conflict with the constitution

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[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]hungry4more wrote:

Lol. That’s not how this works.[/quote]

So are you telling me that the only rights I have are guaranteed in the Constitution ?
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Actually no, but if the only way to get your “right”. by violating the rights that actually are that should be hint.

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Do you feel Eisenhower building the Interstate system in conflict with the constitution [/quote]

I dont know.

But if you think that you do not seriously impose on someone else by confiscating his income to pay up for your life, there is no helping you.

Doesnt matter anyway, we have chosen our path, its over.

You wont like the endgame one bit, but there is no way that you will admitt you part in it either.

So
 partaaayyyy:

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[quote]orion wrote:

But if you think that you do not seriously impose on someone else by confiscating his income to pay up for your life, there is no helping you.

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There is probably no helping me , The confiscation you speak of is called tax . To live in a civilized place requires means of funding government . If the Majority decide health care can be run by the Government better than Free enterprise than that is called democracy . Sad but true

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[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]hungry4more wrote:

Lol. That’s not how this works.[/quote]

So are you telling me that the only rights I have are guaranteed in the Constitution ?
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No, I am not saying that necessarily.

I was clarifying that a right that is only present under specific circumstances (In this case, HC being the alleged right due to a “rich” country) is no right at all. Do you disagree?

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[quote]hungry4more wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]hungry4more wrote:

Lol. That’s not how this works.[/quote]

So are you telling me that the only rights I have are guaranteed in the Constitution ?
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No, I am not saying that necessarily.

I was clarifying that a right that is only present under specific circumstances (In this case, HC being the alleged right due to a “rich” country) is no right at all. Do you disagree?[/quote]

It would be a right of the people that want HC . To the others they would have to use it or consider it a tax. I would bet most would use it

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[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]hungry4more wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]hungry4more wrote:

Lol. That’s not how this works.[/quote]

So are you telling me that the only rights I have are guaranteed in the Constitution ?
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No, I am not saying that necessarily.

I was clarifying that a right that is only present under specific circumstances (In this case, HC being the alleged right due to a “rich” country) is no right at all. Do you disagree?[/quote]

It would be a right of the people that want HC . To the others they would have to use it or consider it a tax. I would bet most would use it
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A right is not something to be imposed upon someone. It is a protection against just that sort of thing.

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[quote]hungry4more wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]hungry4more wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]hungry4more wrote:

Lol. That’s not how this works.[/quote]

So are you telling me that the only rights I have are guaranteed in the Constitution ?
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No, I am not saying that necessarily.

I was clarifying that a right that is only present under specific circumstances (In this case, HC being the alleged right due to a “rich” country) is no right at all. Do you disagree?[/quote]

It would be a right of the people that want HC . To the others they would have to use it or consider it a tax. I would bet most would use it
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A right is not something to be imposed upon someone. It is a protection against just that sort of thing. [/quote]

I personally am apposed to having military bases in every country in e the world that can tolerate us and am definitely oppose to paying for it . Why is that different ?

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[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]hungry4more wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]hungry4more wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]hungry4more wrote:

Lol. That’s not how this works.[/quote]

So are you telling me that the only rights I have are guaranteed in the Constitution ?
[/quote]

No, I am not saying that necessarily.

I was clarifying that a right that is only present under specific circumstances (In this case, HC being the alleged right due to a “rich” country) is no right at all. Do you disagree?[/quote]

It would be a right of the people that want HC . To the others they would have to use it or consider it a tax. I would bet most would use it
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A right is not something to be imposed upon someone. It is a protection against just that sort of thing. [/quote]

I personally am apposed to having military bases in every country in e the world that can tolerate us and am definitely oppose to paying for it . Why is that different ?[/quote]

Actually, it isn’t all that different. I disagree with a lot of military policy as well (despite or because of being in the military, which is the main reason I don’t speak out against it much
you can get in trouble for that sort of thing). And you’re more than welcome to speak out against that type of thing.

Having said that, that is only somewhat relevant to the discussion of what inherent rights are. So again, do you believe HC is an inherent right to humans?

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[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]hungry4more wrote:

Lol. That’s not how this works.[/quote]

So are you telling me that the only rights I have are guaranteed in the Constitution ?
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No, the only rights you have were given to you by virture of you being alive. The Constitution is a tool to prevent the government from taking your rights away.

Government can’t grant rights. Being grants rights. The government can only limit or take away rights.

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[quote]hungry4more wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]hungry4more wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]hungry4more wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]hungry4more wrote:

Lol. That’s not how this works.[/quote]

So are you telling me that the only rights I have are guaranteed in the Constitution ?
[/quote]

No, I am not saying that necessarily.

I was clarifying that a right that is only present under specific circumstances (In this case, HC being the alleged right due to a “rich” country) is no right at all. Do you disagree?[/quote]

It would be a right of the people that want HC . To the others they would have to use it or consider it a tax. I would bet most would use it
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A right is not something to be imposed upon someone. It is a protection against just that sort of thing. [/quote]

I personally am apposed to having military bases in every country in e the world that can tolerate us and am definitely oppose to paying for it . Why is that different ?[/quote]

Actually, it isn’t all that different. I disagree with a lot of military policy as well (despite or because of being in the military, which is the main reason I don’t speak out against it much
you can get in trouble for that sort of thing). And you’re more than welcome to speak out against that type of thing.

Having said that, that is only somewhat relevant to the discussion of what inherent rights are. So again, do you believe HC is an inherent right to humans?[/quote]

I think they are exactly the same , people object to taking our money for something we deem as not needed. No one would force you to use health care but you would still have to pay for it