Batman vs Wolverine

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[quote]The other Rob wrote:
SWR wrote:
roybot wrote:

Batman and Wolverine aren’t real? You must be the guy that gets his kicks by telling kids that Santa and the Easter Bunny don’t exist…WAAAHH!

Santa would kill the Easter Bunny. Something about that guy tells me he doesn’t fight fair…

Dude, the easter bunny would totally beat santa.

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Oh come on!!! You can’t be serious. You must not have read about the “new” Santa that came out back in the late '90s. He’s been totally re-written. His sleigh is bullet proof, his reindeer are genetically mutated to drive 78% faster, and his elves carry machine guns now.

Jeez! Do some research before you post!
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[quote]The other Rob wrote:
SWR wrote:
roybot wrote:

Batman and Wolverine aren’t real? You must be the guy that gets his kicks by telling kids that Santa and the Easter Bunny don’t exist…WAAAHH!

Santa would kill the Easter Bunny. Something about that guy tells me he doesn’t fight fair…

Dude, the easter bunny would totally beat santa.

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Yeah, he’d hear that rosy-cheeked fucker’s bells jingling from miles away. ‘Ho-ho-ho’ indeed…

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[quote]SWR wrote:
The other Rob wrote:
SWR wrote:
roybot wrote:

Batman and Wolverine aren’t real? You must be the guy that gets his kicks by telling kids that Santa and the Easter Bunny don’t exist…WAAAHH!

Santa would kill the Easter Bunny. Something about that guy tells me he doesn’t fight fair…

Dude, the easter bunny would totally beat santa.

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Oh come on!!! You can’t be serious. You must not have read about the “new” Santa that came out back in the late '90s. He’s been totally re-written. His sleigh is bullet proof, his reindeer are genetically mutated to drive 78% faster, and his elves carry machine guns now.

Jeez! Do some research before you post!
:stuck_out_tongue:
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I take it back:

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[quote]roybot wrote:

I take it back:

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lol nice find.

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That video was nothing

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[quote]The other Rob wrote:
Wolverine has defeated captain america. When you talk tactics, if you mean group tactics then I agree, otherwise I have to put wolverine up there.

I’m willing to leave this alone, but in my opinion if we’re talking about prime wolverine vs prime batman in a random encounter battle to the death then batman has lost, but it could be close. In a planned encounter then it depends on who’s doing the planning as each has proven to be phenomenal. Closing point, batman doesn’t kill people (with very rare exceptions to my knowledge), wolverine does kill people. A lot of people. Ultimately this simple fact would lead to batmans eventual defeat.[/quote]

Batman took the pussy way out and didn’t let the Punisher kill the Joker, a few months before he killed Robin.

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[quote]WolBarret wrote:
Best hand to hand combatant in Marvel Universe: Captain America
Best hand to hand combatant in DC universe: Batman, Shiva, or Wildcat.( DC fans, call me out)[/quote]

Richard Dragon, Arsenal/Red Arrow, and that 5’ 4" assassin are at or above Shiva and Batman’s level.

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Ok, if Batman and Wolverine were pitted against each other, let’s set a scenario. Let’s assume that Wolverine doesn’t just pop into the DC world or vice versa, but that the two have co-existed in the same continuity for some time now and know who each other are. Since Wolverine is not a villain, but certainly more apt to go apeshit, let’s say that Wolverine snaps and starts killing people or something along those lines that brings him into Batman’s crosshairs.

Now, if Wolverine knows who Batman is and he’s going berserk, he knows that Batman is going to come after him at some point. If Wolverine were to pre-emptively go after Batman first, he could take Batman out for sure, no doubt. That’s not a big if either, since Wolverine is extremely smart (probably not as smart as Batman, but close enough to making it a virtual draw) it’s not out of the question that he’d go looking for Batman.

But let’s say Wolverine starts killing other villains at an outrageous rate (the most likely scenario that would put the two at odds). Batman is still going to come after him for killing, but now Wolverine probably is not going to come after Batman since he may feel that he’s doing Batman a favor and that they are essentially on the same side, but choose different tactics.

So the scenario is set. Batman, as evidenced by the files he keeps on the members of the JLA with detailed plans on how to kill them all, will have the same sort of files on Wolverine, along with whatever sort of weaponry he can get his hands on to aid him against Wolverine. Whether it’s some adamantium of his own, carbonadium or vibradium, if there’s anyone who can and will get his hands on any available 'iums, it’s Batman. He might even get a little bit of all three. Now keep in mind that Batman in this case is the hunter and Wolverine is the hunted. If the roles were reversed, Batman could be totally fucked, but given the character of the two the first scenario is the more likely of the two.

Whether it’s in the JLA, his own comic or any guest appearances, Batman is almost always the hunter, the one going after the other guy. He has tons of experience in this department against foes who are arguably as formidable as Wolverine in their own ways. But Wolverine has way more experience than Batman overall given his long life span. But as brilliant and experienced as Wolverine is, Batman may be the only person capable of carrying out a plan to defeat him (other than Magneto and maybe a couple other villains). I think given this scenario, it’s practically a toss up, but I’ll give the edge to Batman since he’ll be carrying out a plan he has already devised in advance. If Wolverine is the all-everything super-being that he is in his most powerful comic incarnations, then Batman is the smartest, most resourceful master tactician in his most powerful incarnations.

Wolverine does have weaknesses (not many) and Batman has infinitely more weaknesses, but the most likely scenario that would pit the two against each other would not have the two squaring off in a good old-fashioned street fight, which is where Wolverine excels. They would tangle in a manner that would give Batman a clear-cut strategical advantage. Even then, it’s practically a draw, but I think Batman gets a very slight edge.

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[quote]The other Rob wrote:

Reminds me of the series where Batman takes down Superman.

I mentioned this above.[/quote]

And it bore mentioning again because people are just not getting the point.

Ah well, you did what you could Rob.

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[quote]TheBigV wrote:
The Hulk ripped wolverine in half and threw his legs up a mountain. Wolverines bones can be broken.

Wolverine isn’t much more than a really strong fighter (with sharp claws…) who can take a hell of a lot of punishment.

I feel as thought a liquid nitrogen batarang would stop him cold in his tracks.

also, wolverine isn’t ridiculously strong. Toe to toe, batman would probably just get tired at some point, but that isn’t his style.

You’re talking a guy who does all his fighting toe-to-toe and a guy who stealths in the shadows.[/quote]

If you want to go this route, do you not remember Batman getting snapped in two? Bane put Batman into a fucking wheelchair!!!

Edit: Crap, I didn’t read past page 3 before I wrote this…i see now that Bane has been mentioned…ignore

I gotta go with Wolverine in a head to head fight…like, if they were just out boozin at the bar one night and wolverine started making out with one of wayne’s chicks (except maggie gylenhall because she looks like a horse…how does she keep getting work?) and he got all pissed off…

In a tactical battle, well, I don’t think thats really plausible…Why would a tactical, pre-planned battle occur? Wolverine really isn’t the type to want to go take over Wayne Manor or any place that Batman could set up boobie traps ahead of time…

Wow this is a really fucking dorky thread…

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For Bats to really take out Wolverine, he’s going to have to attack the one thing everyone agrees Wolverine doesn’t have shored up: his brain.

Take the Prometheus helmet, bat-mod, apply directly to the forehead.

It probably still has the physical capacity of Stephen Hawking wired in from World War III.

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[quote]The other Rob wrote:
WolBarret wrote:
roybot wrote:
WolBarret wrote:

But he is superhumanly fast, something that batman is not. Toe to toe there is no way you can argue batman would win.

I’ll have to read through some comics and try and find the one were wolverine is tricked/convinced/mind wiped into becoming a terrorist. He is completely unstoppable, with tactics and planning that match and possibly out do anything batman has ever done. In most scenarios batman is fucked.[/quote]

This is a good example of Wolverine’s tactical prowess.
In that comic he infiltrates the Baxter building (FF’s HQ), pretty much the most secure facility in Marvel New York (probably Earth, Reed Richards is pretty smart). At no point does he pick a fight he couldn’t win; he lays a beating on both Ben Grimm and the Torch, and on encountering the Invisible Woman, he gets the fuck out in the knowledge that she could literally explode him from the inside.
Later on in that series he infiltrates Xavier’s Facility to get access to Cerebro. He almost makes it out with the whole of the XMen and, eventually, the Avengers, in pursuit.
And this is Wolverine w/o the insanely enhanced healing factor shown during Civil War. The character does vary his tactics based on the writers, but he has shown to be pretty fucking intelligent when going about his business.

The comic is called Enemy of the state. Pretty much the most interesting comic series I’ve read on the character.

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This debate is nuts.

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[quote]legendaryblaze wrote:
WolBarret wrote:
roybot wrote:

WolBarret wrote:
The other Rob wrote:
Guy 1:
Unbreakable metal bones
6 foot long claws
Trained to be the ultimate killing machine
Healing factor that makes him almost completely unkillable
Super senses

-Breakable bones covered in Adamantium. bones are infused with adamantium, rendering them unbreakable.
-Trained to be a killing machine, but he’s never been the best fighter or most tactical.Ruthless killer. Prolonged life span means he has far more fighting experience than spoiled little rich kid Bruce Wayne (who refuses to kill out of principle). Wolverine is so badass that he trained as a samurai then got bored and became a lumberjack.
-Healing factor that does nothing to resist knock out gas, suffocation, heart attacks, or sudden mental trauma. Wolverine’s healing factor renders him immune to poisons (including knock out gas). Suffocation, heart attacks, or sudden mental trauma are a non-issue because Batman is even more vulnerable to them. Also, it doesn’t help him resist getting knockout with a well placed punch or kick. He can be knocked out.
So can Batman. And far more easily than Wolverine.

-Super senses including heightened sense of smell; effectively an early warning system.

Guy 2: Martial art skills Moot point. Even if Bats was the better fighter, he couldn’t go toe-to-toe with Wolverine because of Logan’s mutation.

Planning Limited. Wolverine is unpredictable, with more than enough experience to give Batman a few problems.

Gadgets Only as good as his tactics…

-One of the best, if not the best fighter, warrior, and tactician in the DC universe
-Master Tactician. MASTER!
Batman is the superior combatant and tactician, but Wolverine’s life experience definitely factors into this.
-Has an entire company dedicated to creating his gadgets and developing them to take out villains from Joker to Clay Face to Darkseid Cheat! Can I bring the X-Men in on the act?

I know who I’d bet on. Barring some way of stopping wolverine from healing or some kind of mind control Paging Xavier… I think I’d bet on him against anyone.

Anti-Wolverine spray would, of course, change things.

Spider-Man vs Wolverine: Wolvie gets owned and webbed up hanging from a street light.

Wolverine slices off Spidey’s arms and rams his camera up his ass, then takes a few snaps mails them to J. Jonah Jameson. Jameson grumbles about the photos being too dark and fires Peter Parker; Parker spends the rest of his life being spoon-fed by Aunt May. Justice is served.

You’re wrong. Plain and simple. You tried pissing me off, but it didn’t work.

Hopefully the picture came up: As soon as this happens, Wolverine is dead in the water. Spidey is too fast, too strong, too smart, and too witty for Logan.

What? Spidey is not stronger than wolverine. No fucking way.
Faster maybe, if he uses his webs.
Spidey is definitely not wittier. Spidey is a fucking kid that fights are guy who likes pumpkins and paints his face green.
Wolverine fucking fought wars and has decades and centuries of experience.
Wolverine is like Patton.

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I read that Spider-Man can lift between 10 and 12 tons. I think Spider-Man could kill Wolverine if he wanted. He could certainly knock Wolverine out.

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[quote]The other Rob wrote:
SWR wrote:
roybot wrote:

Batman and Wolverine aren’t real? You must be the guy that gets his kicks by telling kids that Santa and the Easter Bunny don’t exist…WAAAHH!

Santa would kill the Easter Bunny. Something about that guy tells me he doesn’t fight fair…

Dude, the easter bunny would totally beat santa.

:)[/quote]

Really?

Meet one of Santas little helpers:

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prof x for the win…heâ??ll make u kill yourself

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If Wolverine and Batman did battle, I believe a quantum molecular fusion would occur and they would merge into THE DARK CLAW.

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Seriously though, In The Dark Knight Returns Batman used his vast wealth to build a bulky mech suit that allowed him to give Superman a pretty good beating. He could probably build a powerful Wolverine-proof suit if he had time and that would rock pretty hard.

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A couple points:

  1. Most importantly, it depends on who is writing the story. Obviously, the way it’s written could go in either one’s favor.

  2. It depends on the context of their meeting. If Batman knows ahead of time he is going to fight Wolverine and manages to find info about him (remember, he has the files on the DC Comics heroes, not the Marvel comics heroes, therefore he has no idea who Wolverine is) then he has a chance of winning in a few ways.

But if they just meet randomly and get into a street fight (which wouldn’t happen with Batman, based on his personality) then Wolverine would rip him to shreds. If they were forced to do battle by someone else in an enclosed room, it’s lights out for Batman unless he has some special gadget that he managed to sneak in or something.

Keep in mind, Batman knows martial arts, but Wolverine has been a soldier for many, many years (way longer than Batman’s lifetime) and has learned multiple forms of fighting. The reason he always gets beat up when he fights people is because the writers have to include his healing factor. If it were real and not written by people trying to entertain kids, Wolverine would easily be one of if not THE best fighter in comics simply based on the amount of experience he has doing mainly that throughout his entire long life.

Also, most people don’t realize that Wolverine also has super strength and speed, not as much as other superheroes, but Batman is a normal human, Wolverine is multiple times stronger and faster than he is with a healing factor and unbreakable skeleton. No contest, unless Batman plans ahead, in which case, anybody could beat anybody if you think about it.

Hand to hand, no gadgets, Batman is murdered.

Oh and to the people bringing up Prof. X, keep in mind that telepathy isn’t really used in DC comics. So anyone from Marvel with that power automatically wins be default because noone from DC has any defense for it. So yes, Prof. X would beat pretty much all of them with a simple thought.

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I didn’t bother to read anyone’s responses. Since they are in different comic universes, it is a moot point unless Marvel and DC do a crossover. If they did, I missed that one.

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[quote]lewhitehurst wrote:
I didn’t bother to read anyone’s responses. Since they are in different comic universes, it is a moot point unless Marvel and DC do a crossover. If they did, I missed that one.[/quote]

They have, it was mentioned in the responses you didn’t bother to read :slight_smile: