Batman vs Wolverine

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[quote]roybot wrote:
WolBarret wrote:

For the love of christ, dude.

Thor is a Asgardian. Asgardians are naturally faster, stronger, tougher, and healthier than a human being. A Asgardians like Sif or Balder are faster, stronger, and tougher than wolverine. Thor is the best out of the Asgardians, except maybe for Odin.

And you can look it up in the God Damn Marvel encyclopedia guide. And I don’t mean Marvel Wikia, I mean the fucking Encyclopedia that has the powers and abilities of every Marvel character.

I don’t need to look it up, thanks. Seeing as how I never brought Thor’s powers into doubt in the first place. I’m far from the most knowledgeable person on this thread, but I think I’ve earned my spurs here.

Oh, where did I say that Thor couldn’t beat Wolverine? You were the one who brought Thor into this. The point I was making is that beings in possession of magical abilities are clearly going to be able to beat Wolverine. Their strength is augmented by magic. In fact, any of the characters you mentioned could also crush Batman.

Going by that logic, what is even the point of mentioning them?

Juggs’S abilities are so awesome, so Wolvie is fucked anyway. Without using hammer, Thor is a strong fucker anyway. The bastard can survive a nuclear blast. Even if you cut Thor, Wolverine wouldn’t be strong enough to make absolute killing blow. At that point, Thor tosses him into the sun.

And its not about fucking Magic, its simple logic. Certain characters can get hit with 100 tons worth of force and get up feeling fine. Most people can’t.

And you keep thinking Wolverine is THAT fast. No I didn’t. Stop being so hostile and read what I type. Only once in this thread did I mention Wolverine’s speed. Coincidentally, it was when you decided to say that Thor could snap Wolverine’s neck - hey!No shit. He’s fast, but not the fastest fighter ever.All he does is get in your face, takes a bullet, and then goes for a kill shot. His kill shots against the people are named will not finish them off. They’ll take the hit, get pissed, and then smash that bitch into the ground. If that’s all you think then you might want to try reading more Wolverine stories.

You’re pretty sensitive for a guy that routinely refers to people as ‘motherfucker’.

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Whoa, Batman is dead in the water against everyone I mentioned. Maybe he could knock out the Thing with some gas grenade or something. Maybe. But i didn’t mention those guys for Bats.

You mentioned his speed once and once is enough. Batman and Wolverine’s Str and speed are very close. 200lbs difference in strength. Endurance goes to Wolverine.

I’ll read more Wolverine stories. But he’ll always keep the same tactic. “I can’t die, so I’ll run in claws blazing and cut shit up”. And when that fails, “Oh shit”

I call people mother fucker, so don’t take it personally. Mother fucker. See what I mean?

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[quote]RTJenforcer wrote:
Lobo. I had heard that it was decided on fan votes, wasn’t sure whether it was true or not though! Come to think of it, it makes a lot of sense to me now![/quote]

When I saw Aquaman defeat Namor by dropping a killer whale on him, I questioned what I was reading. And eventually I found out that it was based on fan votes. Because Lobo isn’t a pushover.

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[quote]SWR wrote:
Conduct the debate in a “mature manner”???
Have a “fair argument”???

You guys are talking about fictional characters. There’s no fair or mature way of arguing who would win in a fight.

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Its about comic books, dude. Would you prefer we argue about Shoes or Mighty Mouse?

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[quote]WolBarret wrote:
The other Rob wrote:
RTJenforcer wrote:
It all comes down to who is writing them. If you take the Batman of the comics vs. the Wolverine of the Chris Claremont solo miniseries, Batman would dick him.

If you take the Batman of the Chris Nolan movies vs. the Wolverine of the movies, it looks like Wolverine is going to win…but that Wolverine would probably win against a tag team of Jesus and Chuck Norris too.

Agreed, the wolverine of most series would win in moments, the wolverine shown in others could definitely be defeated by batman, probably with relative ease. My problem is with batman fans claiming he can kill anyone just because he beat up that pussy superman.

I do like Chris Claremont’s take on Wolverine. And the artwork was great.

DC builds Batman to be the best hero ever. He trains, plans, and does his job. I see your point about Batman getting a lot of love just because he carries kryptonite in his belt pouch.

Like I said earlier, whoever has the most avid fans wins.

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I’m just being a twat now, but wolverine also trains, plans and does his job. He also has superpowers.

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[quote]The other Rob wrote:
I’ll concede that spiderman is stronger, I will not concede that the adamantium does not give him a strength boost. It is explicitly stated that is does allow him to handle greater loads. Also his healing factor is reduced but not cut in half and he seems to do just fine with the reduced capabilities (surviving nuclear blasts etc)

Wolverine fanboys are annoying but I can think of one thing thats worse, batman fans. They disregard the fact he is just a normal human being and construct elaborate scenarios where if everything goes perfectly he defeats any opponent. He is fallible. Razor sharp claws possessed by a character which is basically unkillable vs normal man. Wolverine has access to possibly more resources than batman and is easily his better in close combat fighting, even without his powers. Batman has not got a chance.[/quote]

Reminds me of the series where Batman takes down Superman.

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[quote]SWR wrote:
Conduct the debate in a “mature manner”???
Have a “fair argument”???

You guys are talking about fictional characters. There’s no fair or mature way of arguing who would win in a fight.

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Is this the right time to turn this into a God argument?

Buddha would totally kick Jesus’ ass.

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[quote]Elaikases wrote:
The other Rob wrote:
I’ll concede that spiderman is stronger, I will not concede that the adamantium does not give him a strength boost. It is explicitly stated that is does allow him to handle greater loads. Also his healing factor is reduced but not cut in half and he seems to do just fine with the reduced capabilities (surviving nuclear blasts etc)

Wolverine fanboys are annoying but I can think of one thing thats worse, batman fans. They disregard the fact he is just a normal human being and construct elaborate scenarios where if everything goes perfectly he defeats any opponent. He is fallible. Razor sharp claws possessed by a character which is basically unkillable vs normal man. Wolverine has access to possibly more resources than batman and is easily his better in close combat fighting, even without his powers. Batman has not got a chance.

Reminds me of the series where Batman takes down Superman.

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I mentioned this above.

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[quote]WolBarret wrote:

I’ll start reading the new Wolverine comics, which won’t be hard to find considering he’s on every damn book.

From what I’ve read, Wolverine’s plan of attack involves: Go in, take a few bullets, and then cut them. Rinse and repeat. [/quote]Nah , dude. Wolverine does show his sensitive side on occasion…[quote] that plan can work on your average joe or members of the Hand. But not Batman.

And think about when Bane beat Batman. He freed every villain in Arkham Asylum, waited for Batman to re-capture every single one of them, and then attacked Batman at his weakest moment. Stellar plan. He broke the Bat. I can’t see Wolverine doing something that elaborate or involves that much patience.

I can have a fair argument. Its just when you hear “Wolverine is stronger than…” and you know its wrong, it just irks me.[/quote] Fair enough. But you can’t ‘know’ it’s wrong when you refuse to read up on Wolverine. Oh, I’m not here to show how ‘kool’ it is to like Wolverine. I’m just here for a debate with like-minded individuals. It just so happens that I think Wolverine is underrated. If Batman wins, so be it. Some of my favorite storylines ever involve Batman - the one when he faces off against The Reaper is awesome…

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You like Blue Beetle? Really? At least Booster Gold is flashy, but Blue Beetle? I think he died.[/quote] You’re right, he did die. But, to my shame, I couldn’t help but love the little blue bastard. In my defense, I was a kid and it was the 80s. RIP Ted Kord.

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[quote]The other Rob wrote:
WolBarret wrote:
The other Rob wrote:
RTJenforcer wrote:
It all comes down to who is writing them. If you take the Batman of the comics vs. the Wolverine of the Chris Claremont solo miniseries, Batman would dick him.

If you take the Batman of the Chris Nolan movies vs. the Wolverine of the movies, it looks like Wolverine is going to win…but that Wolverine would probably win against a tag team of Jesus and Chuck Norris too.

Agreed, the wolverine of most series would win in moments, the wolverine shown in others could definitely be defeated by batman, probably with relative ease. My problem is with batman fans claiming he can kill anyone just because he beat up that pussy superman.

I do like Chris Claremont’s take on Wolverine. And the artwork was great.

DC builds Batman to be the best hero ever. He trains, plans, and does his job. I see your point about Batman getting a lot of love just because he carries kryptonite in his belt pouch.

Like I said earlier, whoever has the most avid fans wins.

I’m just being a twat now, but wolverine also trains, plans and does his job. He also has superpowers.[/quote]

When I say “does his job”, I mean actively search for villains to put away. Batman does it non stop and doesn’t take the time to steal somebody’s wife or hang out in a bar smoking.

Batman is more dedicated and more respected considering he has no powers. Just money and willpower.

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[quote]WolBarret wrote:
roybot wrote:
WolBarret wrote:

For the love of christ, dude.

Thor is a Asgardian. Asgardians are naturally faster, stronger, tougher, and healthier than a human being. A Asgardians like Sif or Balder are faster, stronger, and tougher than wolverine. Thor is the best out of the Asgardians, except maybe for Odin.

And you can look it up in the God Damn Marvel encyclopedia guide. And I don’t mean Marvel Wikia, I mean the fucking Encyclopedia that has the powers and abilities of every Marvel character.

I don’t need to look it up, thanks. Seeing as how I never brought Thor’s powers into doubt in the first place. I’m far from the most knowledgeable person on this thread, but I think I’ve earned my spurs here.

Oh, where did I say that Thor couldn’t beat Wolverine? You were the one who brought Thor into this. The point I was making is that beings in possession of magical abilities are clearly going to be able to beat Wolverine. Their strength is augmented by magic. In fact, any of the characters you mentioned could also crush Batman.

Going by that logic, what is even the point of mentioning them?

Juggs’S abilities are so awesome, so Wolvie is fucked anyway. Without using hammer, Thor is a strong fucker anyway. The bastard can survive a nuclear blast. Even if you cut Thor, Wolverine wouldn’t be strong enough to make absolute killing blow. At that point, Thor tosses him into the sun.

And its not about fucking Magic, its simple logic. Certain characters can get hit with 100 tons worth of force and get up feeling fine. Most people can’t.

And you keep thinking Wolverine is THAT fast. No I didn’t. Stop being so hostile and read what I type. Only once in this thread did I mention Wolverine’s speed. Coincidentally, it was when you decided to say that Thor could snap Wolverine’s neck - hey!No shit. He’s fast, but not the fastest fighter ever.All he does is get in your face, takes a bullet, and then goes for a kill shot. His kill shots against the people are named will not finish them off. They’ll take the hit, get pissed, and then smash that bitch into the ground. If that’s all you think then you might want to try reading more Wolverine stories.

You’re pretty sensitive for a guy that routinely refers to people as ‘motherfucker’.

Whoa, Batman is dead in the water against everyone I mentioned. Maybe he could knock out the Thing with some gas grenade or something. Maybe. But i didn’t mention those guys for Bats.

You mentioned his speed once and once is enough. Batman and Wolverine’s Str and speed are very close. 200lbs difference in strength. Endurance goes to Wolverine.

I’ll read more Wolverine stories. But he’ll always keep the same tactic. “I can’t die, so I’ll run in claws blazing and cut shit up”. And when that fails, “Oh shit”

I call people mother fucker, so don’t take it personally. Mother fucker. See what I mean?[/quote]

Seriously do read more wolverine comics, he likes the “I can’t die” tactic, but on many occasions he has outwitted some very, very smart characters and proven that he can fight strategically. He mastered the oriental martial arts before batman was even born, you can’t let the movie wolverine and experience with him in a couple of comics and tv series colour the real wolverine of the comics.

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[quote]WolBarret wrote:

I call people mother fucker, so don’t take it personally. Mother fucker. See what I mean?[/quote]

I don’t take it personally. Which is why I was so suprised that you thought most of my comments were serious…

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[quote]The other Rob wrote:
I’ll concede that spiderman is stronger, I will not concede that the adamantium does not give him a strength boost. It is explicitly stated that is does allow him to handle greater loads. Also his healing factor is reduced but not cut in half and he seems to do just fine with the reduced capabilities (surviving nuclear blasts etc)

Wolverine fanboys are annoying but I can think of one thing thats worse, batman fans. They disregard the fact he is just a normal human being and construct elaborate scenarios where if everything goes perfectly he defeats any opponent. He is fallible. Razor sharp claws possessed by a character which is basically unkillable vs normal man. Wolverine has access to possibly more resources than batman and is easily his better in close combat fighting, even without his powers. Batman has not got a chance.[/quote]

Ok, look at at it this way.

Best hand to hand combatant in Marvel Universe: Captain America
Best hand to hand combatant in DC universe: Batman, Shiva, or Wildcat.( DC fans, call me out)
Best tactician in and outside of combat: Captain America, Reed Richards, and few other people
Best tactician in and outside of combat: Batman and other superheroes I don’t know personally

Whenever you bring up hand to hand fighting and battle tactics, two names always show up:Batman or Captain America. Wolverine is never in that list. Batman is the top of the top, so if you come at Batman, you had better come correct or he will beat you.

Batman has infinite amount of gadgets in hit belt. Stuff that could stun Superman and Wonder Woman or put Joker to sleep for a few minutes.

If its a random battle, its a toss up that I think Batman could win. Planned:Batman all day.

And yes, I saw the post about Wolverine not being a retard.

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[quote]WolBarret wrote:
The other Rob wrote:
WolBarret wrote:
The other Rob wrote:
RTJenforcer wrote:
It all comes down to who is writing them. If you take the Batman of the comics vs. the Wolverine of the Chris Claremont solo miniseries, Batman would dick him.

If you take the Batman of the Chris Nolan movies vs. the Wolverine of the movies, it looks like Wolverine is going to win…but that Wolverine would probably win against a tag team of Jesus and Chuck Norris too.

Agreed, the wolverine of most series would win in moments, the wolverine shown in others could definitely be defeated by batman, probably with relative ease. My problem is with batman fans claiming he can kill anyone just because he beat up that pussy superman.

I do like Chris Claremont’s take on Wolverine. And the artwork was great.

DC builds Batman to be the best hero ever. He trains, plans, and does his job. I see your point about Batman getting a lot of love just because he carries kryptonite in his belt pouch.

Like I said earlier, whoever has the most avid fans wins.

I’m just being a twat now, but wolverine also trains, plans and does his job. He also has superpowers.

When I say “does his job”, I mean actively search for villains to put away. Batman does it non stop and doesn’t take the time to steal somebody’s wife or hang out in a bar smoking.

Batman is more dedicated and more respected considering he has no powers. Just money and willpower.
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True, I know which of the two I’d rather be though.

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[quote]roybot wrote:
WolBarret wrote:

I’ll start reading the new Wolverine comics, which won’t be hard to find considering he’s on every damn book.

From what I’ve read, Wolverine’s plan of attack involves: Go in, take a few bullets, and then cut them. Rinse and repeat. Nah , dude. Wolverine does show his sensitive side on occasion… that plan can work on your average joe or members of the Hand. But not Batman.

And think about when Bane beat Batman. He freed every villain in Arkham Asylum, waited for Batman to re-capture every single one of them, and then attacked Batman at his weakest moment. Stellar plan. He broke the Bat. I can’t see Wolverine doing something that elaborate or involves that much patience.

I can have a fair argument. Its just when you hear “Wolverine is stronger than…” and you know its wrong, it just irks me. Fair enough. But please don’t tar me with that particular brush. I’m not here to show how ‘kool’ it is to like Wolverine. I’m just here for a debate with like-minded individuals. If Batman wins, so be it. Some of my favorite storylines ever involve Batman - the one when he faces off against The Reaper is awesome…very underrated.

You like Blue Beetle? Really? At least Booster Gold is flashy, but Blue Beetle? I think he died. You’re right, he did die. But, to my shame, I couldn’t help but love the little blue bastard. In my defense, I was a kid and it was the 80s. RIP Ted Kord.

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Now I have to post a pic of blue beetle.

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[quote]RTJenforcer wrote:
SWR wrote:
Conduct the debate in a “mature manner”???
Have a “fair argument”???

You guys are talking about fictional characters. There’s no fair or mature way of arguing who would win in a fight.

Is this the right time to turn this into a God argument?

Buddha would totally kick Jesus’ ass.

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Oh please! Jesus definitely has the endurance and conditioning in that fight. He would run circles around Buddha’s fat ass!
This fight has already been done:

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[quote]SWR wrote:
Conduct the debate in a “mature manner”???
Have a “fair argument”???

You guys are talking about fictional characters. There’s no fair or mature way of arguing who would win in a fight.

[/quote]

Batman and Wolverine aren’t real? You must be the guy that gets his kicks by telling kids that Santa and the Easter Bunny don’t exist…WAAAHH!

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[quote]WolBarret wrote:

Now I have to post a pic of blue beetle.[/quote]

Don’t. I’m gonna cry…

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Wolverine has defeated captain america. When you talk tactics, if you mean group tactics then I agree, otherwise I have to put wolverine up there.

I’m willing to leave this alone, but in my opinion if we’re talking about prime wolverine vs prime batman in a random encounter battle to the death then batman has lost, but it could be close. In a planned encounter then it depends on who’s doing the planning as each has proven to be phenomenal. Closing point, batman doesn’t kill people (with very rare exceptions to my knowledge), wolverine does kill people. A lot of people. Ultimately this simple fact would lead to batmans eventual defeat.

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[quote]roybot wrote:

Batman and Wolverine aren’t real? You must be the guy that gets his kicks by telling kids that Santa and the Easter Bunny don’t exist…WAAAHH!

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Santa would kill the Easter Bunny. Something about that guy tells me he doesn’t fight fair…

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[quote]SWR wrote:
roybot wrote:

Batman and Wolverine aren’t real? You must be the guy that gets his kicks by telling kids that Santa and the Easter Bunny don’t exist…WAAAHH!

Santa would kill the Easter Bunny. Something about that guy tells me he doesn’t fight fair…[/quote]

Dude, the easter bunny would totally beat santa.

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