Batman vs Wolverine

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[quote]WolBarret wrote:
legendaryblaze wrote:
WolBarret wrote:
roybot wrote:

WolBarret wrote:
The other Rob wrote:
Guy 1:
Unbreakable metal bones
6 foot long claws
Trained to be the ultimate killing machine
Healing factor that makes him almost completely unkillable
Super senses

-Breakable bones covered in Adamantium. bones are infused with adamantium, rendering them unbreakable.
-Trained to be a killing machine, but he’s never been the best fighter or most tactical.Ruthless killer. Prolonged life span means he has far more fighting experience than spoiled little rich kid Bruce Wayne (who refuses to kill out of principle). Wolverine is so badass that he trained as a samurai then got bored and became a lumberjack.
-Healing factor that does nothing to resist knock out gas, suffocation, heart attacks, or sudden mental trauma. Wolverine’s healing factor renders him immune to poisons (including knock out gas). Suffocation, heart attacks, or sudden mental trauma are a non-issue because Batman is even more vulnerable to them. Also, it doesn’t help him resist getting knockout with a well placed punch or kick. He can be knocked out.
So can Batman. And far more easily than Wolverine.

-Super senses including heightened sense of smell; effectively an early warning system.

Guy 2: Martial art skills Moot point. Even if Bats was the better fighter, he couldn’t go toe-to-toe with Wolverine because of Logan’s mutation.

Planning Limited. Wolverine is unpredictable, with more than enough experience to give Batman a few problems.

Gadgets Only as good as his tactics…

-One of the best, if not the best fighter, warrior, and tactician in the DC universe
-Master Tactician. MASTER!
Batman is the superior combatant and tactician, but Wolverine’s life experience definitely factors into this.
-Has an entire company dedicated to creating his gadgets and developing them to take out villains from Joker to Clay Face to Darkseid Cheat! Can I bring the X-Men in on the act?

I know who I’d bet on. Barring some way of stopping wolverine from healing or some kind of mind control Paging Xavier… I think I’d bet on him against anyone.

Anti-Wolverine spray would, of course, change things.

Spider-Man vs Wolverine: Wolvie gets owned and webbed up hanging from a street light.

Wolverine slices off Spidey’s arms and rams his camera up his ass, then takes a few snaps mails them to J. Jonah Jameson. Jameson grumbles about the photos being too dark and fires Peter Parker; Parker spends the rest of his life being spoon-fed by Aunt May. Justice is served.

You’re wrong. Plain and simple. You tried pissing me off, but it didn’t work.

Hopefully the picture came up: As soon as this happens, Wolverine is dead in the water. Spidey is too fast, too strong, too smart, and too witty for Logan.

What? Spidey is not stronger than wolverine. No fucking way.
Faster maybe, if he uses his webs.
Spidey is definitely not wittier. Spidey is a fucking kid that fights are guy who likes pumpkins and paints his face green.
Wolverine fucking fought wars and has decades and centuries of experience.
Wolverine is like Patton.

Look, Wolverine could pick up 800lbs at best. Spider-man picks up vehicles on the regular. He has 15 tons worth of strength. Meaning he will toss Wolverine’s monkey ass around.

And he’s faster than Wolverine. He has Super Human agility and speed. Why do you think he just dodges all his enemies punches and talks shit? You’re not gonna hit him. The Spider Sense lets him know its coming and he’s super agility makes him a pain in the ass to hit.

Also, Spider-Man is pretty damn smart. He’s not a genius, but Reed Richards respects his intellect and the Peter created his web shooters.

And by wit, I mean by quick comebacks. Spider-man constantly talks shit to his enemies. And this before Deadpool was created.

Ok, Wolverine’s been at war. But he fights like a damn idiot. Wolverine’s plan of attack “I’m gonna go in, get shot a lot, and when I’m close enough, cut him”.

Spider-man’s plan: “Ok, I’ll web their guns to their hands, drop kick him, and finish the rest of with glazing blows since I don’t want to kill him”[/quote]

Spidey is faster than wolverine but definitely not stronger, the reason wolverine is one of the strongest characters is his adamantium skeleton, something which spiderman lacks. The skeleton allows him to lift loads that other characters bones could not withstand. I’ve said it before, wolverine does not fight like a damn idiot and would not fight batman the same way he would fight a group of bar thugs.

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[quote]RTJenforcer wrote:
Batman: Year One is awesome, Watchmen is a must read, and you can get both fairly cheaply now. If you find you like Alan Moore, V for Vendetta is good, but hard to get into. If you’ve read The Dark Knight Returns and you liked it, try the sequel The Dark Knight Strikes Again. Civil War is a good choice, but it kind of throws you straight into the action. I think you can get the Wolverine miniseries by Chris Claremont collected in a graphic novel now, thats awesome if you like Wolverine. If you can only get one, get Watchmen!!
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Thanks man. I’ll look into them all.

[quote]HotCarl28 wrote:
To Zerosleep

If you want a fantastic superhero comic read miracleman by alan moore it is pretty much at the very top of my list.

Watchmen
V for Vendetta
The Killing Joke (argued by some as the greatest batman comic, yes better than DKR)
Promethea
Sin City (If you like noir style which I’m guessing you do if you like batman)
From Hell (This is a little chewier than most and has no superhero aspects but is ultimately very good)
Y: The Last Man (no super hero stuff here, but a very addictive read)
Ex Machina (only part way through this but, addictive in the same way as Y: The last man - same author)

If you like stuff that is a little more political and messagy check out Jonathan Hickman. He writes and does artwork and both are amazing.

Nightly News
Transhuman
Pax Romana
A Red Mass for Mars (Haven’t read this one yet)

I also have heard good stuff about Transmetropolitan from my girl. I’ve only read a little but it seems very imaginative.

Really though you need to get your hands on Moore’s stuff immediately, his shit is in an entirely different stratosphere. I really think he is the greatest writer in comics by a large margin. Hickman may be the only author that I think can start to touch him in complexity.

sorry for the hijack… also sorry if you were referring more to wolvy and batman comics
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You guessed correctly, I love noir style. I’ve read parts of Watchmen and Sin City, trying to get my hands on the rest, but it takes time. I’ll definately get the Killing Joke and something by Hickman.

Yeah, sorry about the hijack guys…

BTW, my money is on Batman. When Logan can get outsmarted by the Hulk…

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[quote]roybot wrote:
WolBarret wrote:

You’re wrong. Plain and simple. Then elaborate on why I’m wrong. Barring the Spiderman comment, most of what I said were valid points. You tried pissing me off, but it didn’t work.

No, I didn’t try to piss you off… Just a bit of good-natured banter, that’s all. Hardly any of my remarks here were meant to be taken seriously (especially the ones referring to Spidey and Superman - which was really more of a pop-culture reference than a pop at the Man of Steel himself).

On the other hand, the fact that you thought I was trying to suggests that I did spark an emotional response.

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You’re wrong because:
-There’s no plan of attack Wolverine can think of that is better than what Joker, Bane, Riddler, and the other sick freaks can think of. Wolverine is just a dumbass brawler who thinks he can’t die. At which point, Batman , who has fought all kind of freaks, will simply knock him out with some toxin or trip him up and then tie him with a well placed batarang.

-The Wolvie vs Spider debate. Spider is faster, stronger, and has more options combat wise. Plus the Spider-Sense makes him near impossible for Logan to hit. Web him up, tie him up, and game over.

-These debates spark emotions within because I was comic fan as a kid. And I hate Wolverine fans.

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Technically Spider-man is stronger than Wolverine, but the way they are written it rarely works out that way.

Looks like a lot of people on here have been reading wikipedia entries without citations and not reading the actual comic books. The point is that comic book characters are open to interpretation!

Batman wouldn’t have to put anything between him and Wolverine except about 30 feet of distance.

Good thread though. I salute you, gentlemen!

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[quote]WolBarret wrote:

For the love of christ, dude.

Thor is a Asgardian. Asgardians are naturally faster, stronger, tougher, and healthier than a human being. A Asgardians like Sif or Balder are faster, stronger, and tougher than wolverine. Thor is the best out of the Asgardians, except maybe for Odin.

And you can look it up in the God Damn Marvel encyclopedia guide. And I don’t mean Marvel Wikia, I mean the fucking Encyclopedia that has the powers and abilities of every Marvel character.
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I don’t need to look it up, thanks. Seeing as how I never brought Thor’s powers into doubt in the first place. I’m far from the most knowledgeable person on this thread, but I think I’ve earned my spurs here.

Oh, where did I say that Thor couldn’t beat Wolverine? You were the one who brought Thor into this. The point I was making is that beings in possession of magical abilities are clearly going to be able to beat Wolverine. Their strength is augmented by magic. In fact, any of the characters you mentioned could also crush Batman.

Going by that logic, what is even the point of mentioning them? [quote]

Juggs’S abilities are so awesome, so Wolvie is fucked anyway. Without using hammer, Thor is a strong fucker anyway. The bastard can survive a nuclear blast. Even if you cut Thor, Wolverine wouldn’t be strong enough to make absolute killing blow. At that point, Thor tosses him into the sun.

And its not about fucking Magic, its simple logic. Certain characters can get hit with 100 tons worth of force and get up feeling fine. Most people can’t.

And you keep thinking Wolverine is THAT fast. [/quote]No I didn’t. Stop being so hostile and read what I type. Only once in this thread did I mention Wolverine’s speed. Coincidentally, it was when you decided to say that Thor could snap Wolverine’s neck - hey!No shit.[quote] He’s fast, but not the fastest fighter ever.All he does is get in your face, takes a bullet, and then goes for a kill shot. His kill shots against the people are named will not finish them off. They’ll take the hit, get pissed, and then smash that bitch into the ground.[/quote] If that’s all you think then you might want to try reading more Wolverine stories.

You’re pretty sensitive for a guy that routinely refers to people as ‘motherfucker’.

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[quote]The other Rob wrote:
WolBarret wrote:
legendaryblaze wrote:
WolBarret wrote:
roybot wrote:

WolBarret wrote:
The other Rob wrote:
Guy 1:
Unbreakable metal bones
6 foot long claws
Trained to be the ultimate killing machine
Healing factor that makes him almost completely unkillable
Super senses

-Breakable bones covered in Adamantium. bones are infused with adamantium, rendering them unbreakable.
-Trained to be a killing machine, but he’s never been the best fighter or most tactical.Ruthless killer. Prolonged life span means he has far more fighting experience than spoiled little rich kid Bruce Wayne (who refuses to kill out of principle). Wolverine is so badass that he trained as a samurai then got bored and became a lumberjack.
-Healing factor that does nothing to resist knock out gas, suffocation, heart attacks, or sudden mental trauma. Wolverine’s healing factor renders him immune to poisons (including knock out gas). Suffocation, heart attacks, or sudden mental trauma are a non-issue because Batman is even more vulnerable to them. Also, it doesn’t help him resist getting knockout with a well placed punch or kick. He can be knocked out.
So can Batman. And far more easily than Wolverine.

-Super senses including heightened sense of smell; effectively an early warning system.

Guy 2: Martial art skills Moot point. Even if Bats was the better fighter, he couldn’t go toe-to-toe with Wolverine because of Logan’s mutation.

Planning Limited. Wolverine is unpredictable, with more than enough experience to give Batman a few problems.

Gadgets Only as good as his tactics…

-One of the best, if not the best fighter, warrior, and tactician in the DC universe
-Master Tactician. MASTER!
Batman is the superior combatant and tactician, but Wolverine’s life experience definitely factors into this.
-Has an entire company dedicated to creating his gadgets and developing them to take out villains from Joker to Clay Face to Darkseid Cheat! Can I bring the X-Men in on the act?

I know who I’d bet on. Barring some way of stopping wolverine from healing or some kind of mind control Paging Xavier… I think I’d bet on him against anyone.

Anti-Wolverine spray would, of course, change things.

Spider-Man vs Wolverine: Wolvie gets owned and webbed up hanging from a street light.

Wolverine slices off Spidey’s arms and rams his camera up his ass, then takes a few snaps mails them to J. Jonah Jameson. Jameson grumbles about the photos being too dark and fires Peter Parker; Parker spends the rest of his life being spoon-fed by Aunt May. Justice is served.

You’re wrong. Plain and simple. You tried pissing me off, but it didn’t work.

Hopefully the picture came up: As soon as this happens, Wolverine is dead in the water. Spidey is too fast, too strong, too smart, and too witty for Logan.

What? Spidey is not stronger than wolverine. No fucking way.
Faster maybe, if he uses his webs.
Spidey is definitely not wittier. Spidey is a fucking kid that fights are guy who likes pumpkins and paints his face green.
Wolverine fucking fought wars and has decades and centuries of experience.
Wolverine is like Patton.

Look, Wolverine could pick up 800lbs at best. Spider-man picks up vehicles on the regular. He has 15 tons worth of strength. Meaning he will toss Wolverine’s monkey ass around.

And he’s faster than Wolverine. He has Super Human agility and speed. Why do you think he just dodges all his enemies punches and talks shit? You’re not gonna hit him. The Spider Sense lets him know its coming and he’s super agility makes him a pain in the ass to hit.

Also, Spider-Man is pretty damn smart. He’s not a genius, but Reed Richards respects his intellect and the Peter created his web shooters.

And by wit, I mean by quick comebacks. Spider-man constantly talks shit to his enemies. And this before Deadpool was created.

Ok, Wolverine’s been at war. But he fights like a damn idiot. Wolverine’s plan of attack “I’m gonna go in, get shot a lot, and when I’m close enough, cut him”.

Spider-man’s plan: “Ok, I’ll web their guns to their hands, drop kick him, and finish the rest of with glazing blows since I don’t want to kill him”

Spidey is faster than wolverine but definitely not stronger, the reason wolverine is one of the strongest characters is his adamantium skeleton, something which spiderman lacks. The skeleton allows him to lift loads that other characters bones could not withstand. I’ve said it before, wolverine does not fight like a damn idiot and would not fight batman the same way he would fight a group of bar thugs.[/quote]

Christ almighty, look it up!

Wolverin’s Strength is 825lbs at best.

Spider-man at his weakest: 15 tons! TONS! TONS! He hits like a god damn mack truck and can pick up vehicles.

Adamantium makes him more durable, that’s it. THAT’S IT! He doesn’t get a strength boost. His healing factor is cut in half considering he constantly fights adamantium poisoning.

Marvel Wikia or Marvel Encyclopedia!

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On a similar subject, I’d recommend reading Marvel vs. DC for anyone interested.

Off the top of my head, you’ve got Wolverine vs. Lobo, Hulk vs. Superman, Batman vs. Captain America, and a few less exciting ones. Namor vs. Aquaman is pretty good though. I won’t ruin who wins each fight for those of you who haven’t read them.

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[quote]The other Rob wrote:
WolBarret wrote:
roybot wrote:
WolBarret wrote:
And another thing! Near unbreakable bones doesn’t make him unkillable. It just means his death will be long and painful.

If the Juggernaut, Hulk, Colossus, Thor, or Ben Grimm grabbed his ass by the neck and started

Juggernaut and Thor have magic-based powers. Wolverine is faster than all of the above, bar Thor.

As a side note, Batman wouldn’t have a defense against opponents with magic-based powers, either.

For the love of christ, dude.

Thor is a Asgardian. Asgardians are naturally faster, stronger, tougher, and healthier than a human being. A Asgardians like Sif or Balder are faster, stronger, and tougher than wolverine. Thor is the best out of the Asgardians, except maybe for Odin.

And you can look it up in the God Damn Marvel encyclopedia guide. And I don’t mean Marvel Wikia, I mean the fucking Encyclopedia that has the powers and abilities of every Marvel character.

Juggs’S abilities are so awesome, so Wolvie is fucked anyway. Without using hammer, Thor is a strong fucker anyway. The bastard can survive a nuclear blast. Even if you cut Thor, Wolverine wouldn’t be strong enough to make absolute killing blow. At that point, Thor tosses him into the sun.

And its not about fucking Magic, its simple logic. Certain characters can get hit with 100 tons worth of force and get up feeling fine. Most people can’t.

And you keep thinking Wolverine is THAT fast. He’s fast, but not the fastest fighter ever. All he does is get in your face, takes a bullet, and then goes for a kill shot. His kill shots against the people are named will not finish them off. They’ll take the hit, get pissed, and then smash that bitch into the ground.

But he is superhumanly fast, something that batman is not. Toe to toe there is no way you can argue batman would win.

I’ll have to read through some comics and try and find the one were wolverine is tricked/convinced/mind wiped into becoming a terrorist. He is completely unstoppable, with tactics and planning that match and possibly out do anything batman has ever done. In most scenarios batman is fucked.[/quote]

True, Wolverine has a great chance toe to toe. But knowing Wolverine, he’s gonna be a dumbass, and jump in blindly into the fighting, since he feels he can’t be hurt. And that’s when Batman uses his arrogance to his advantage and wins.

Toe to Toe: Toss up

Planned: Batman

And I have love for neither one of these characters, but I respect Batman more.

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I’ll concede that spiderman is stronger, I will not concede that the adamantium does not give him a strength boost. It is explicitly stated that is does allow him to handle greater loads. Also his healing factor is reduced but not cut in half and he seems to do just fine with the reduced capabilities (surviving nuclear blasts etc)

Wolverine fanboys are annoying but I can think of one thing thats worse, batman fans. They disregard the fact he is just a normal human being and construct elaborate scenarios where if everything goes perfectly he defeats any opponent. He is fallible. Razor sharp claws possessed by a character which is basically unkillable vs normal man. Wolverine has access to possibly more resources than batman and is easily his better in close combat fighting, even without his powers. Batman has not got a chance.

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Didn’t see your last post, wolverine sometimes goes into a berserker rage, when necessary or when very severely wounded. He does not fight like a retard.He does not fight like a retard.He does not fight like a retard.He does not fight like a retard.He does not fight like a retard.He does not fight like a retard.He does not fight like a retard.He does not fight like a retard.He does not fight like a retard.He does not fight like a retard.He does not fight like a retard.He does not fight like a retard.He does not fight like a retard. Batman has little to no chance in either scenario.

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[quote]WolBarret wrote:
roybot wrote:
WolBarret wrote:

You’re wrong. Plain and simple. Then elaborate on why I’m wrong. Barring the Spiderman comment, most of what I said were valid points. You tried pissing me off, but it didn’t work.

No, I didn’t try to piss you off… Just a bit of good-natured banter, that’s all. Hardly any of my remarks here were meant to be taken seriously (especially the ones referring to Spidey and Superman - which was really more of a pop-culture reference than a pop at the Man of Steel himself).

On the other hand, the fact that you thought I was trying to suggests that I did spark an emotional response.

You’re wrong because:
-There’s no plan of attack Wolverine can think of that is better than what Joker, Bane, Riddler, and the other sick freaks can think of. Wolverine is just a dumbass brawler who thinks he can’t die. [/quote]He isn’t a dumbass brawler. Get over yourself and read his story arc - you might be suprised.[quote] At which point, Batman , who has fought all kind of freaks, will simply knock him out with some toxin or trip him up and then tie him with a well placed batarang.[/quote]

Weak argument from a guy who’s a self-professed ‘comics fan’

[quote]

-The Wolvie vs Spider debate. Spider is faster, stronger, and has more options combat wise. Plus the Spider-Sense makes him near impossible for Logan to hit. Web him up, tie him up, and game over.[/quote] Yeah, I already said it was a fucking joke. And remind me who brought Spiderman into this in the first place again?

[quote]
-These debates spark emotions within because I was comic fan as a kid.[/quote] So was I. Doesn’t mean I’m gonna roll over and play dead when you say so.[quote]
And I hate Wolverine fans.[/quote]

So there’s no chance of you conducting this debate in a fair and mature manner. Just for the record, I’m not a ‘Wolverine fanboy’; most of my favorite heroes are DC (although they are the less-popular ones - Firestorm, Booster Gold, Blue Devil, Etrigan the Demon, etc.).

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It all comes down to who is writing them. If you take the Batman of the comics vs. the Wolverine of the Chris Claremont solo miniseries, Batman would dick him.

If you take the Batman of the Chris Nolan movies vs. the Wolverine of the movies, it looks like Wolverine is going to win…but that Wolverine would probably win against a tag team of Jesus and Chuck Norris too.

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On a diplomatic note, in said Chris Claremont miniseries, Wolverine behaves a lot like Batman does…at first gets badly beaten by a ninja, then trains up adjusts his tactics, goes back and guts the guy (the guy was also his girlfriend’s father who beat her for spurning her arranged marriage). Heavy stuff.

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[quote]RTJenforcer wrote:
On a similar subject, I’d recommend reading Marvel vs. DC for anyone interested.

Off the top of my head, you’ve got Wolverine vs. Lobo, Hulk vs. Superman, Batman vs. Captain America, and a few less exciting ones. Namor vs. Aquaman is pretty good though. I won’t ruin who wins each fight for those of you who haven’t read them.[/quote]

I actually have a few of those comics. And you know that each outcome was done by fan voting right? Which is why Superboy lost to SpiderMan, Batman beat Captain America, and Logo lost to Wolverine.

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[quote]RTJenforcer wrote:
It all comes down to who is writing them. If you take the Batman of the comics vs. the Wolverine of the Chris Claremont solo miniseries, Batman would dick him.

If you take the Batman of the Chris Nolan movies vs. the Wolverine of the movies, it looks like Wolverine is going to win…but that Wolverine would probably win against a tag team of Jesus and Chuck Norris too.[/quote]

Agreed, the wolverine of most series would win in moments, the wolverine shown in others could definitely be defeated by batman, probably with relative ease. My problem is with batman fans claiming he can kill anyone just because he beat up that pussy superman.

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Lobo. I had heard that it was decided on fan votes, wasn’t sure whether it was true or not though! Come to think of it, it makes a lot of sense to me now!

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[quote]roybot wrote:
WolBarret wrote:
roybot wrote:
WolBarret wrote:

You’re wrong. Plain and simple. Then elaborate on why I’m wrong. Barring the Spiderman comment, most of what I said were valid points. You tried pissing me off, but it didn’t work.

No, I didn’t try to piss you off… Just a bit of good-natured banter, that’s all. Hardly any of my remarks here were meant to be taken seriously (especially the ones referring to Spidey and Superman - which was really more of a pop-culture reference than a pop at the Man of Steel himself).

On the other hand, the fact that you thought I was trying to suggests that I did spark an emotional response.

You’re wrong because:
-There’s no plan of attack Wolverine can think of that is better than what Joker, Bane, Riddler, and the other sick freaks can think of. Wolverine is just a dumbass brawler who thinks he can’t die. He isn’t a dumbass brawler. Get over yourself and read his story arc - you might be suprised. At which point, Batman , who has fought all kind of freaks, will simply knock him out with some toxin or trip him up and then tie him with a well placed batarang.

Weak argument from a guy who’s a self-professed ‘comics fan’

-The Wolvie vs Spider debate. Spider is faster, stronger, and has more options combat wise. Plus the Spider-Sense makes him near impossible for Logan to hit. Web him up, tie him up, and game over. Yeah, I already said it was a fucking joke. And remind me who brought Spiderman into this in the first place again?

-These debates spark emotions within because I was comic fan as a kid. So was I. Doesn’t mean I’m gonna roll over and play dead when you say so.
And I hate Wolverine fans.

So there’s no chance of you conducting this debate in a fair and mature manner. Just for the record, I’m not a ‘Wolverine fanboy’; most of my favorite heroes are DC (although they are the less-popular ones - Firestorm, Booster Gold, Blue Devil, Etrigan the Demon, etc.).

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I’ll start reading the new Wolverine comics, which won’t be hard to find considering he’s on every damn book.

From what I’ve read, Wolverine’s plan of attack involves: Go in, take a few bullets, and then cut them. Rinse and repeat. Now that plan can work on your average joe or members of the Hand. But not Batman.

And think about when Bane beat Batman. He freed every villain in Arkham Asylum, waited for Batman to re-capture every single one of them, and then attacked Batman at his weakest moment. Stellar plan. He broke the Bat. I can’t see Wolverine doing something that elaborate or involves that much patience.

I can have a fair argument. Its just when you hear “Wolverine is stronger than…” and you know its wrong, it just irks me.

You like Blue Beetle? Really? At least Booster Gold is flashy, but Blue Beetle? I think he died.

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[quote]The other Rob wrote:
RTJenforcer wrote:
It all comes down to who is writing them. If you take the Batman of the comics vs. the Wolverine of the Chris Claremont solo miniseries, Batman would dick him.

If you take the Batman of the Chris Nolan movies vs. the Wolverine of the movies, it looks like Wolverine is going to win…but that Wolverine would probably win against a tag team of Jesus and Chuck Norris too.

Agreed, the wolverine of most series would win in moments, the wolverine shown in others could definitely be defeated by batman, probably with relative ease. My problem is with batman fans claiming he can kill anyone just because he beat up that pussy superman.[/quote]

I do like Chris Claremont’s take on Wolverine. And the artwork was great.

DC builds Batman to be the best hero ever. He trains, plans, and does his job. I see your point about Batman getting a lot of love just because he carries kryptonite in his belt pouch.

Like I said earlier, whoever has the most avid fans wins.

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[quote]
Agreed, the wolverine of most series would win in moments, the wolverine shown in others could definitely be defeated by batman, probably with relative ease. My problem is with batman fans claiming he can kill anyone just because he beat up that pussy superman.[/quote]

Batman’s been beaten plenty of times too (Bane, The Joker). That’s how he learns, that’s the point of his character to some extent. I’m not saying that Wolverine is a dumb brute, I’m not undervaluing his combat experience, but Batman has fought close range characters like Wolverine before, and knows better than to engage them toe to toe. Everyone here knows that that would be suicide, and by definition of his character, if we in an internet forum know that he hasn’t got a chance up close, then Bruce Wayne would know it too.

Let’s use our heads.

Besides, as the comics go, Batman is dead at the moment.

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Conduct the debate in a “mature manner”???
Have a “fair argument”???

You guys are talking about fictional characters. There’s no fair or mature way of arguing who would win in a fight.