[quote]Papa Nick wrote:
ChokeOnStrength wrote:
rundymc wrote:
So… Batman wins on account of him having a twin that poses as the same character? He is psychotic enough to pull that shit off.
Come to think of it, what happens when Wolverine gets decapitated, say at the waist? Do both halves regenerate to form clones, or is it just the top half. Does he regenerate adamantium bones or his original human ones?
I’ve thought about decapitation… but realized shortly after that can’t happen to Wolverine due to his skeleton being indestructable. You can’t cut through his spine. It will not disconnect. His bodyparts will always stay together.
Hmm… this doesnt account for the joints and what ever that hold the bones togethor, they are not laced with adamantium or he would not be able to bend anything [/quote]
But to get to the point where his joints are being torn out, don’t you think he would be fighting his arse off? It’d be pretty hard to get him into a position such as that.
The Hulk could perhaps manage this while taking damage, but any lesser fighter wouldn’t. I’d say it’s simple, Batman would somehow Mimic Magnetos power and just keep Wolverine stuck for the rest of time. Oh man im getting way too into this.
Hulk has torn him apart (albeit in the Ultimate Marvel Universe). Not quite decapitation, but close. In that story, Logan climbed up a mountain to find his other half. Again, this is Ultimate Wolverine. Doesn’t make sense that his healing factor wouldn’t take care of his skeleton as well.
[quote]roybot wrote:
drewh wrote:
Why do people always complain about batman, its a comic book character, it’s like saying superman is unrealistic no shit it’s a fucking comic.
Superman is unrealistic - at least Batman wears a mask. Supes just throws on a suit and a pair of glasses and everybody starts calling him Clark Kent. Lex Luthor is apparently one of the greatest minds on the planet, and yet he can’t see past a pair of fucking spectacles!
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Actually, he can’t see past a pair of fucking spectacles, a voice two octaves higher than Superman’s, a physique intentionally obscured by wearing clothes 2 sizes too big and slouching, and parting his hair on the opposite side.
With all that taken into consideration, how the fuck did he bag Lois Lane?
By being Superman.
Its kind of like having a huge dick.
In all seriousness though, the whole thing is an act. Kent is essentially a fucking awesome individual acting like teh suck. His awesome shines through the facade multiple times, before Lois Lane ever finds out about him being an alien with the sickest power-package in the universe.
It has been speculated that, as per some early Superman stories, Superman possesses a kind of super-hypnosis that prevents people making the connection between the similarities between Clark Kent and Superman. Lots of Superman writers have used this in order to cover what would appear to be a gaping plot hole.
Yes, we all agree Wolverine is like, totally super awesome. But he’s not invincible people, and he is useless against enemies who can stop him from range, like, oh lets say…Batman? Cyclops? Bullseye?
Let’s drop the idea of Wolverine vs Batman, because anyone with a brain (ie, anyone whose idea of an imagination doesn’t consist of “Wolverine > Batman”) knows through creative process that Batman is more or less a nightmare opponent for someone like Wolverine.
Look at Batman’s enemies with similar characteristics…Killer Croc for instance as a close range fighter? Batman usually fares pretty well does he not?
We’ve talked about Batman being a master tactician, World’s Greatest Detective and all that? He’s not a moron. He’s going to realise fairly early on that it isn’t a fight he can win toe-to-toe, and turn it into a range battle, where he has an enormous advantage over Wolverine, whose strength lies in what he can reach in the three feet in front of his face.
The fact that everyone keeps bringing up magnetism has forced me to point out that as far as I know adamantium is not ferromagnetic - not affected by normal magnetism. Magneto can manipulate adamantium as he can manipulate all metals, batman on the other hand, cannot. He is limited by science.
Haha, The World’s Greatest Detective isn’t necessarily my opinion, its just one of Batman’s nicknames.
The other Rob, you are correct, adamantium doesn’t have any iron in it; its interesting that sometimes writers tend to give Magneto vastly increased powers, whereas some early X-men
writers tend to give him power only over ferromagnetic metals, gifting him no power over Wolverine’s body in those stories. Just like Wolverine though, in later stories (and in the movies) his powers tend to expand exponentially.
I don’t think Batman would even have to resort to magnetism, were it a viable option, to incapacitate or otherwise immobilise Wolverine.
You’re wrong. Plain and simple.[/quote] Then elaborate on why I’m wrong. Barring the Spiderman comment, most of what I said were valid points.[quote] You tried pissing me off, but it didn’t work. [/quote]
No, I didn’t try to piss you off… Just a bit of good-natured banter, that’s all. Hardly any of my remarks here were meant to be taken seriously (especially the ones referring to Spidey and Superman - which was really more of a pop-culture reference than a pop at the Man of Steel himself).
On the other hand, the fact that you thought I was trying to suggests that I did spark an emotional response.
I’m not too far - or should I say far enough? - into the comic book world aas of yet. Anyone of you more knowing guys care to give me (chronologically) must read list?
I have the Civil War arc, and The Dark Night Returns, but I don’t think that’s the best places to start?
[quote]ZeroSleep wrote:
I’m not too far - or should I say far enough? - into the comic book world aas of yet. Anyone of you more knowing guys care to give me (chronologically) must read list?
I have the Civil War arc, and The Dark Night Returns, but I don’t think that’s the best places to start?
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Batman: Year One is awesome, Watchmen is a must read, and you can get both fairly cheaply now. If you find you like Alan Moore, V for Vendetta is good, but hard to get into. If you’ve read The Dark Knight Returns and you liked it, try the sequel The Dark Knight Strikes Again. Civil War is a good choice, but it kind of throws you straight into the action. I think you can get the Wolverine miniseries by Chris Claremont collected in a graphic novel now, thats awesome if you like Wolverine. If you can only get one, get Watchmen!!
Batman’s dossiers are NOT the stuff of fanboys. Batman indeed does have a dossier on every member of the JLA with a detailed plan as to how to defeat each one of them based on all of their strengths and weaknesses. Batman knows the JLA members better than they know themselves. In fact, the files have detailed plans on how to KILL each member and Batman also has the “Brother I” satellite system that permanently tracks each member just in case. This is all detailed in Crisis On Infinite Earths.
Because Wolverine is so dangerous, Batman would undoubtedly keep a file on him and be able to use this system to also track him, thus rendering Wolverine’s super senses irrelevant and virtually eliminate any chance of a random encounter. Batman would probably also have a highly effective super-weapon built by WayneTech specifically to defeat Wolverine. Shit, he’d probably develop his own Batsuit made of adamantium.
In Crisis On Infinite Earths, a team of superpowered aliens captures the entire JLA and Batman is the one who saves them all from certain death, using his superior wits and all of the weaponry and equipment at his disposal to do so. If he can do this, he can certainly defeat one mutant. This is why Superman calls Batman the world’s most dangerous man and tends to have a shaky relationship with the rest of the JLA.
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Very well argued. But Batman keeping files on the JLA is not the same as having them on every hero in the DC universe (which is what I was wondering). That, along with Batman having to ability to create a weapon for every occasion, is the usual basis for Batman winning a grudge match against another hero.
It’s true that Batman has huge resources at his disposal, but there is nothing in the comic book to support the idea that he has a limitless capacity to create whatever technology he needs at a given time. That sort of thing is more the domain of the TV series, IMO. And all of it kept in a single utility belt, too…
Quite right, but I think Batman’s strength lies not in creating whatever he needs, but in having the intelligence and cunning to put his existing tools to use in the situation at hand, and exploring all possibilities before thinking about developing new technology.
If you want a fantastic superhero comic read miracleman by alan moore it is pretty much at the very top of my list.
Watchmen
V for Vendetta
The Killing Joke (argued by some as the greatest batman comic, yes better than DKR)
Promethea
Sin City (If you like noir style which I’m guessing you do if you like batman)
From Hell (This is a little chewier than most and has no superhero aspects but is ultimately very good)
Y: The Last Man (no super hero stuff here, but a very addictive read)
Ex Machina (only part way through this but, addictive in the same way as Y: The last man - same author)
If you like stuff that is a little more political and messagy check out Jonathan Hickman. He writes and does artwork and both are amazing.
Nightly News
Transhuman
Pax Romana
A Red Mass for Mars (Haven’t read this one yet)
I also have heard good stuff about Transmetropolitan from my girl. I’ve only read a little but it seems very imaginative.
Really though you need to get your hands on Moore’s stuff immediately, his shit is in an entirely different stratosphere. I really think he is the greatest writer in comics by a large margin. Hickman may be the only author that I think can start to touch him in complexity.
sorry for the hijack… also sorry if you were referring more to wolvy and batman comics
From the movie just released, you can apparently cut through admemantium if you use a super-heated ademantium blade. That was how he cut off Deadpool’s head. However, he didn’t die from that and found his head again.