Batman vs Wolverine

[quote]rundymc wrote:
Not sure about the suit being kryptonite-powered, but Batman was using kryptonite in some form during that fight. That was the difference maker in that fight, with the things you mentioned tilting the odds against Superman. And yeah, Superman was a total fag in DK Returns, he must have done up Miller’s mom or something, lols.[/quote]

Poor choice of words on my part: I meant ‘powered’ as in ‘augmented’.

Gentlemen,
It’s been fun, but I think I’m going to bow out of this discussion. I don’t want anybody thinking that I’m a nerd with no life :wink:

If we are talking about Adam West as Batman then he would win hands down!!

He did the following

1 Mile run - 6 minutes
1 Mile run - 5 minutes
1 Mile run - 4 minutes
1 Mile run - 3 minutes

All pretty much without a rest…thats is super fit, he could fight for days non-stop!!

Batman would get wolverine close to a huge electric magnet…his bones would force him onto the magnet…Done…

[quote]adamhum wrote:
Batman would get wolverine close to a huge electric magnet…his bones would force him onto the magnet…Done…[/quote]

It sucks to be all metal when a villain, Magneto, has magnetic powers.

Like I said in the first page Batman would win.

If Adam West Batman fought Wolverine, Wolverine needs to be played by an actor of a similar era and stature. I vote DeForest Kelley. Imagine the sound effects bubbles. SKLAM! VLOCK! KRAKA-JOOM!

[quote]roybot wrote:
WolBarret wrote:

Batman edges out Wolverine for the win. Too many gadgets, too smart, too driven, and he’ll always find a way. Wolverine falls into his slash and gash method, which will cause him to lose. That argument has been refuted several times already.

I’ll read his book, but he gets too much face time anyway. He’s never been that integral in the marvel universe. Considering he’s a relatively late starter in the Marvel universe, I think he’s more than made his mark. His popularity has eclipsed that of many longer-established characters and his commercial success is testament to that.

I also believe Batman gets too much face time, but his makes more sense.If by face time you mean that both are over-exposed, well I agree. But that’s what happens when a character is popular - the publishers are going to milk that particular cash cow dry.

I don’t get your aversion to reading Wolverine comics because he’s on the cover or features heavily in them. Of course he’s going to be the focus of attention - he’s the title character. I’d feel pretty cheated if I opened up a book featuring my favourite character, only to find out they weren’t actually in it.

Comments like that suggest that you just don’t like him (dismissing his back story as ‘hog slop’ doesn’t help your cause, either). Which is fine, but it doesn’t bode well for an impartial and interesting discussion. I’d expect something a little more substantial than the ‘Wolverine will get angry, make a mistake and get owned by Batman’ argument you keep falling back on. This is really going nowhere until you get up to speed on what Wolverine really represents.
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Wolverine at his core is still a berserker and will fall back on his slash gash method. Can’t teach a dog new tricks. His character has always relied on that method.

And I believe Wolverine debuted in the late 70’s, which isn’t that new. And the story arcs he had from the mid 80’s to mid 90’s developed his character pretty well. It took characters like Luke Cage a hell of a lot longer to be developed.

And when I say integral to the Marvel Universe, I mean “If Ultron is attempting to destroy New York or Thanos has gotten control of the Infinity Gauntlets”, Wolverine was never on the list of people needed.

And I like Wolverine, but when he’s on the cover of Wolverine, X-men, Uncanny X-men, Astonishing X-men, Avengers, Black Panthers, and other titles, it bothers me. He’s not so important that every group in Marvel needs his help. There are tougher, smarter, stronger, and faster heroes out there.

And his popularity isn’t a good excuse for him to be in every damn book.

Hmmm, as strong as Superman is, I’m sure a bulky suit made of lead wouldn’t affect his mobility much…and kryptonite wouldn’t have any affect on him, and he’d be invincible.

Why wouldn’t Superman have a suit that completely protects him from his one weakness? Lame.

[quote]SWR wrote:
Hmmm, as strong as Superman is, I’m sure a bulky suit made of lead wouldn’t affect his mobility much…and kryptonite wouldn’t have any affect on him, and he’d be invincible.

Why wouldn’t Superman have a suit that completely protects him from his one weakness? Lame.[/quote]

I think he doesn’t use it more because it makes him look lame.

[quote]SWR wrote:
Hmmm, as strong as Superman is, I’m sure a bulky suit made of lead wouldn’t affect his mobility much…and kryptonite wouldn’t have any affect on him, and he’d be invincible.

Why wouldn’t Superman have a suit that completely protects him from his one weakness? Lame.[/quote]

If he hit things, the suit would probably break so it wouldn’t be of much use for too long. Plus, he eventually absorbed so much power from the sun that kryptonite didn’t affect him anymore.

Ah, didn’t read the link. I guess his suit wouldn’t break.

[quote]Tulkastaldo wrote:
If Adam West Batman fought Wolverine, Wolverine needs to be played by an actor of a similar era and stature. I vote DeForest Kelley. Imagine the sound effects bubbles. SKLAM! VLOCK! KRAKA-JOOM![/quote]

I would pay good money to watch that played fight!!

[quote]porkpie wrote:
Tulkastaldo wrote:
If Adam West Batman fought Wolverine, Wolverine needs to be played by an actor of a similar era and stature. I vote DeForest Kelley. Imagine the sound effects bubbles. SKLAM! VLOCK! KRAKA-JOOM!

I would pay good money to watch that played fight!![/quote]

A little before Adam West’s time, but how about Peter Lorre?

On the marvel comics site, it says Wolverines healing factor isrelated to the injury he sustains. A gunshot wound to a non vital area may heal in minutes, but Wolverine can be killed by loss of blood, loss of vital organs (like is his heart was ripped out), flesh being burned too badly by fire, etc. Marvel.com | The Official Site for Marvel Movies, Characters, Comics, TV

With all the gadgets Batman has, he may have an easuer time than you think.

[quote]clip11 wrote:
On the marvel comics site, it says Wolverines healing factor isrelated to the injury he sustains. A gunshot wound to a non vital area may heal in minutes, but Wolverine can be killed by loss of blood, loss of vital organs (like is his heart was ripped out), flesh being burned too badly by fire, etc. Marvel.com | The Official Site for Marvel Movies, Characters, Comics, TV

With all the gadgets Batman has, he may have an easuer time than you think.[/quote]

This is why I like Marvel. They actually give an exact listing of hero’s powers and the extent of the powers.

Great find, Clip11.

[quote]Annihilator wrote:
I wonder if drilling into wolverines flesh and inserting dynamite sticks in the wholes before he regenerates and light them up would get rid of him.

Would be nice to see.[/quote]

Civil War - Wolverine cross over

Nitro goes nuclear while Wolvie is in the kill zone. All of Wolvie’s soft tissue blown away leaving just the skeleton. Wolvie regenerates completely.

[quote]roybot wrote:
artw wrote:

Very well argued. But Batman keeping files on the JLA is not the same as having them on every hero in the DC universe (which is what I was wondering). That, along with Batman having to ability to create a weapon for every occasion, is the usual basis for Batman winning a grudge match against another hero.

It’s true that Batman has huge resources at his disposal, but there is nothing in the comic book to support the idea that he has a limitless capacity to create whatever technology he needs at a given time. That sort of thing is more the domain of the TV series, IMO. And all of it kept in a single utility belt, too…

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Brother Eye was designed to track all meta-human activity on Earth. Thus filling out Bat’s dossiers.

Keeping track of the JLA is pretty much synonymous with tracking all superheroes in the DC Universe. The JLA has a huge roster of reservist and former members.

Bat’s defeated Prometheus by inflicting him with cerebral palsy, proving Bat’s can pretty much invent what ever is needed.

[quote]The other Rob wrote:

But he is superhumanly fast, something that batman is not. Toe to toe there is no way you can argue batman would win.

I’ll have to read through some comics and try and find the one were wolverine is tricked/convinced/mind wiped into becoming a terrorist. He is completely unstoppable, with tactics and planning that match and possibly out do anything batman has ever done. In most scenarios batman is fucked.

Spidey is faster than wolverine but definitely not stronger, the reason wolverine is one of the strongest characters is his adamantium skeleton, something which spiderman lacks. The skeleton allows him to lift loads that other characters bones could not withstand. I’ve said it before, wolverine does not fight like a damn idiot and would not fight batman the same way he would fight a group of bar thugs.[/quote]

Are you talking about when the Hand took control of Wolvy? They granted a lot extra powers that he never had before and now no longer has at his disposal.

Spider-Man is stronger than Wolverine. Always has been. Wolverine is not even close to being one of Marvel’s strongest.

Wolverine fights like a damn idiot. I mentioned Nitro before. Nitro’s sole power is blow himself up and everything around him. At normal levels he explodes with a force of 250lbs TNT. During the Civil War event he was doped up on Mutant Growth Hormone, thus jacking his explosive powers up significantly. Wolverine, in his infinite wisdom, decided melee attacks would be the best option and summarily got his ass blowed up like a damn idiot.

[quote]The other Rob wrote:
I’ll concede that spiderman is stronger, I will not concede that the adamantium does not give him a strength boost. It is explicitly stated that is does allow him to handle greater loads. Also his healing factor is reduced but not cut in half and he seems to do just fine with the reduced capabilities (surviving nuclear blasts etc)

Wolverine fanboys are annoying but I can think of one thing thats worse, batman fans. They disregard the fact he is just a normal human being and construct elaborate scenarios where if everything goes perfectly he defeats any opponent. He is fallible. Razor sharp claws possessed by a character which is basically unkillable vs normal man. Wolverine has access to possibly more resources than batman and is easily his better in close combat fighting, even without his powers. Batman has not got a chance.[/quote]

Wolverine couldn’t lay a finger on Black Panther whom serves as Marvel’s Batman equivalent.

If y’all wanted a real debate it would be who would win: Batman vs Black Panther.

[quote]The other Rob wrote:

Agreed, the wolverine of most series would win in moments, the wolverine shown in others could definitely be defeated by batman, probably with relative ease. My problem is with batman fans claiming he can kill anyone just because he beat up that pussy superman.[/quote]

When did Batman ever beat Superman?

Answer: Never

Marvel equivelant of batman is the Punisher.