Batman: Gotham Knight DVDs

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
kevinm1 wrote:
Nightwing …(originally a Superman alter ego).

Could you explain this?[/quote]

Well X I’m glad you asked. In the book World’s Finest Batman and Superman would team up, in a few particular issues they went to the bottle city of kandor, there Superman has no powers so he and Batman team up as Nightwing and Flamebird which are names of the species in Kandor. When Nightwing wanted to change his name from Robin and step out of the Bat’s shadow he asked Superman to take the name. Also in a little digest comic which was published in the 70’s they did this whole what if like thing what would happen if Superman went to different planets who would he become on one world it was mostly darkness(no powers) he became a Batman like vigilante named Nightwing. Recently in the pages of Supergirl, Kara and Powergirl assumed the mantle of Nightwing and Flamebird

Interesting thing about Powergirl, there is no copyright for female characters so Marvel did Spiderwoman, DC had Supergirl, etc. Marvel came up with Wonderman, DC asked Marvel hey can you not have him and they killed him off. In the 70’s DC did Powergirl, and Marvel said hey we got a guy named Powerman can yo ulay off DC said no so Wonderman was brought back from the dead.

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[quote]Xen Nova wrote:
Batman doesn’t kill people they just die of circumstances :slight_smile:

Teen Titans Judas Contract where they’ll actually call Slade Wilson Deathstroke the Terminator instead of just slade, and do the whole Robin to Nightwing change(originally a Superman alter ego).

^^I can’t wait for that either, I hope they touch on how Nightwing was originally a kryptonian superhero and how superman helped give him the name for the character.

teen titans has always been well done imo when they don’t fuck around making it a kid show too much

the whole Red X saga was fresh as fuck.[/quote]

Titan’s was one of the greatest comics in the 80’s-90’s it outsold X-Men all the time. The Wildbeest/Titans Hunt and Judas Contract are the two greatest storylines ever. Cyborg getting blown up and having to be rebuilt by Red Star and the Soviets, Jericho being the villain having been corrupted by the souls of Trigun and Deathstroke having to kill him beautiful.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
Guerrero wrote:
So is Batman going to straight up kill people?

Cuz I was pleasently suprised when I saw so James Bond drown some fool in the sink.

If they have Batman start killing people, I’ll shit my pants.

Batman doesn’t kill people, at least not on purpose…except for once. In the cartoon series that started Batman Beyond, he killed one man with a gun and that is what prompted him to retire. That was the first person he directly killed with the use of a firearm.

They can’t dispose of the base of that character…which is to help people.[/quote]

What episode of Batman Beyond was that? I thought he was about to shoot the guy as a last resort but the guy ran away, and for him to even pick up a gun means he needed to retire, i.e. he was an old ass.

I also thought it was very cool how they wrote Terry McGinnis’ actual lineage into the Justice League cartoon. One of the best comic\animated\whatever stories I’ve ever seen.

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[quote]En Sabah Nur wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Guerrero wrote:
So is Batman going to straight up kill people?

Cuz I was pleasently suprised when I saw so James Bond drown some fool in the sink.

If they have Batman start killing people, I’ll shit my pants.

Batman doesn’t kill people, at least not on purpose…except for once. In the cartoon series that started Batman Beyond, he killed one man with a gun and that is what prompted him to retire. That was the first person he directly killed with the use of a firearm.

They can’t dispose of the base of that character…which is to help people.

What episode of Batman Beyond was that? I thought he was about to shoot the guy as a last resort but the guy ran away, and for him to even pick up a gun means he needed to retire, i.e. he was an old ass.

I also thought it was very cool how they wrote Terry McGinnis’ actual lineage into the Justice League cartoon. One of the best comic\animated\whatever stories I’ve ever seen.

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Yeah that was best line by Amanda the wall Waller “He left his dna everywhere, not that way!!”. All the Bruce Timm dc 'toons where related Batman, Superman, Static Shock, Batman Beyond, JLA, and The Zeta Project all made references to being in the same “universe” the directors didn’t try to dumb them down.

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[quote]kevinm1 wrote:
En Sabah Nur wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Guerrero wrote:
So is Batman going to straight up kill people?

Cuz I was pleasently suprised when I saw so James Bond drown some fool in the sink.

If they have Batman start killing people, I’ll shit my pants.

Batman doesn’t kill people, at least not on purpose…except for once. In the cartoon series that started Batman Beyond, he killed one man with a gun and that is what prompted him to retire. That was the first person he directly killed with the use of a firearm.

They can’t dispose of the base of that character…which is to help people.

What episode of Batman Beyond was that? I thought he was about to shoot the guy as a last resort but the guy ran away, and for him to even pick up a gun means he needed to retire, i.e. he was an old ass.

I also thought it was very cool how they wrote Terry McGinnis’ actual lineage into the Justice League cartoon. One of the best comic\animated\whatever stories I’ve ever seen.

Yeah that was best line by Amanda the wall Waller “He left his dna everywhere, not that way!!”. All the Bruce Timm dc 'toons where related Batman, Superman, Static Shock, Batman Beyond, JLA, and The Zeta Project all made references to being in the same “universe” the directors didn’t try to dumb them down.
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That series was brilliant. They should have hinted at the cloning earlier on, however.

I will have to watch it again (Batman Beyond the first episode) to make sure, but I thought he did actually shoot the guy.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
kevinm1 wrote:
En Sabah Nur wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Guerrero wrote:
So is Batman going to straight up kill people?

Cuz I was pleasently suprised when I saw so James Bond drown some fool in the sink.

If they have Batman start killing people, I’ll shit my pants.

Batman doesn’t kill people, at least not on purpose…except for once. In the cartoon series that started Batman Beyond, he killed one man with a gun and that is what prompted him to retire. That was the first person he directly killed with the use of a firearm.

They can’t dispose of the base of that character…which is to help people.

What episode of Batman Beyond was that? I thought he was about to shoot the guy as a last resort but the guy ran away, and for him to even pick up a gun means he needed to retire, i.e. he was an old ass.

I also thought it was very cool how they wrote Terry McGinnis’ actual lineage into the Justice League cartoon. One of the best comic\animated\whatever stories I’ve ever seen.

Yeah that was best line by Amanda the wall Waller “He left his dna everywhere, not that way!!”. All the Bruce Timm dc 'toons where related Batman, Superman, Static Shock, Batman Beyond, JLA, and The Zeta Project all made references to being in the same “universe” the directors didn’t try to dumb them down.

That series was brilliant. They should have hinted at the cloning earlier on, however.

I will have to watch it again (Batman Beyond the first episode) to make sure, but I thought he did actually shoot the guy.[/quote]

I don’t think he killed anyone, remember it was a kid’s cartoon. Anyone ever see the Grayson fan trailer?

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
Pootie Tang wrote:
I just watched the Justice League: The New Frontier this weekend and I was pleasantly surprised with its take on the series. It really was not geared toward children at all.

Was it the first or second person shot in the head that gave it away?

I agree, it was decent, but I still think they could have really gone all out on it and made it “darker” than it was.[/quote]

Actually yes. When pre-green lantern SPOILER ALERT!!

Blew that dudes brains out that was when the movie became official.

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[quote]kevinm1 wrote:

Superman is not a tool of the government, never was. In the film he’s the one that bring’s the two groups together, he also in the begining is talking with Lois questioning McCarthyism, “there’ll will always be monsters like McCarthy etc etc”. Superman, just like all DC characters have changed with the times, in the late 30’s vigilante(holding slumlords by their feet outside windows), the 40’s(war propaganda), the 50’s were where the whole ma dad apple pie thing came from(name a superhero at that time who wasn’t). People seem to stop there and go “I don’t like superman he can do anything”, yet they’ve never read the fucking comic. Superman stands for ideals not any one governing body, for more of this read the new Superman Batman arc where the government creates a group of soldiers who have a power represented of superman using kryptonite.

Back to New Frontier and Gotham Nights, I personally can’t wait for Teen Titans Judas Contract where they’ll actually call Slade Wilson Deathstroke the Terminator instead of just slade, and do the whole Robin to Nightwing change(originally a Superman alter ego).
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Whoa, didn’t mean to piss off the Superman fan but, I like Superman better when he is on the brink of going freakin’ nuts and taking over the world. As opposed to him being mister apple pie, “yes sir mister president”. Just isn’t cool.

Incidently I watched a repeat episode of Justice League on cartoon network the other night. The episode when Superman and Captian Marvel scrap it out in the middle of Lexor city. That was an effin beautiful and epic battle.

I hope WB or Cartoon Network comes to there senses and realize that a true Superhero cartoon can be geared towards adults and bring in good ratings. I.E. Legion of Superheroes dark and story driven last season. Also X-men Evolution’s dark and story driven last season.

Why do studios pull the plug when a series is just hitting its stride?

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[quote]Pootie Tang wrote:

Why do studios pull the plug when a series is just hitting its stride?

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They’re idiots. Luckily, it seems dvd might be the last salvation for some of those shows if enough people buy them. Family Guy is a testament to that.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
Pootie Tang wrote:

Why do studios pull the plug when a series is just hitting its stride?

They’re idiots. Luckily, it seems dvd might be the last salvation for some of those shows if enough people buy them. Family Guy is a testament to that.[/quote]

Family Guy and to a lesser extent Futurama.

I’d love to see a Samurai Jack DVD movie.

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Random comic book flaw:

Remember the Marvel vs DC series in the mid to late 90’s. They had match-ups like Superman vs Hulk, Spiderman vs Superboy, etc.

Well, they had one that involved Batman vs Captain America in a sewer. Batman won. he even dragged an unconscious Cap out of the manhole. Now I think comic fans had to vote to decide who won or loss, but still bullshit.

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[quote]WolBarret wrote:
Random comic book flaw:

Remember the Marvel vs DC series in the mid to late 90’s. They had match-ups like Superman vs Hulk, Spiderman vs Superboy, etc.

Well, they had one that involved Batman vs Captain America in a sewer. Batman won. he even dragged an unconscious Cap out of the manhole. Now I think comic fans had to vote to decide who won or loss, but still bullshit.[/quote]

I still have Vol 2 somewhere. I had to buy it to make sure Wolverine whopped Lobo’s ass.

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Lobo’s powers change so much. One day he’s beating the shit out of supes and the next Booster Gold kicked his face in.

Aquaman vs Namor: Aquaman called up a killer whale and squashed Namor. Namor just liquified and lost.

Spiderman vs Superboy: Who remembers that outcome? I do.

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[quote]WolBarret wrote:
Lobo’s powers change so much. One day he’s beating the shit out of supes and the next Booster Gold kicked his face in.

Aquaman vs Namor: Aquaman called up a killer whale and squashed Namor. Namor just liquified and lost.

Spiderman vs Superboy: Who remembers that outcome? I do.[/quote]

I remember the whole series was bullshit. Amalgam comics i think was the name of the outcome of that crap. The fights were wrapped up so quickly. I think the Lobo vs Wolverine battle was only about one page with no action to be seen. Batman won because Captain America got distracted, If he didn’t get distracted… Batman would have STILL beat the ever livin’ shit out of Captain America and then he would have took a shit in his shield. He would have stuck a bat-er-ang up his ass and called him “Twinkles”.

But i digress. The series was pure fan service and poorly executed. Green Lantern vs Silver Surfer was over in like half a panel. I say do it over with an entire comic for each major battle.

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To Pootie Tang: Did you just disrespect the Super Soldier himself? Cap would have murdered Batman in a real fight.

But I digress. I forgot Greenie even fought Silver. Both have amazing power potential, but I think Silver would have won. Who did Iron man face?

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[quote]WolBarret wrote:
To Pootie Tang: Did you just disrespect the Super Soldier himself? Cap would have murdered Batman in a real fight.

But I digress. I forgot Greenie even fought Silver. Both have amazing power potential, but I think Silver would have won. Who did Iron man face?[/quote]

Batman would beat anyone if he knew what he was up against with some advance prep. Straight up Caps wins. but Batman did have a plan to take out the whole Justice League if he had to.

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[quote]WolBarret wrote:
Lobo’s powers change so much. One day he’s beating the shit out of supes and the next Booster Gold kicked his face in.

Aquaman vs Namor: Aquaman called up a killer whale and squashed Namor. Namor just liquified and lost.

Spiderman vs Superboy: Who remembers that outcome? I do.[/quote]

The real question is did anyone give a shit about Aquaman or Namor? Nope.

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[quote]WolBarret wrote:
To Pootie Tang: Did you just disrespect the Super Soldier himself? Cap would have murdered Batman in a real fight.

But I digress. I forgot Greenie even fought Silver. Both have amazing power potential, but I think Silver would have won. Who did Iron man face?[/quote]

Cap is a pro at hand to hand that is no question, I saw him take down the Hulk with some Judo shit BUT, Batman is the freakin’ man because of his planning and supreme intellect. As homeboy above me stated. He had a plan to take out the ENTIRE Justice League if need be.

I can’t readily remember who Iron Man fought, was he really in the series??

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[quote]Pootie Tang wrote:
WolBarret wrote:
To Pootie Tang: Did you just disrespect the Super Soldier himself? Cap would have murdered Batman in a real fight.

But I digress. I forgot Greenie even fought Silver. Both have amazing power potential, but I think Silver would have won. Who did Iron man face?

Cap is a pro at hand to hand that is no question, I saw him take down the Hulk with some Judo shit BUT, Batman is the freakin’ man because of his planning and supreme intellect. As homeboy above me stated. He had a plan to take out the ENTIRE Justice League if need be.

I can’t readily remember who Iron Man fought, was he really in the series??

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I think Iron Man took on Steel.

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[quote]analog_kid wrote:
Pootie Tang wrote:
WolBarret wrote:
To Pootie Tang: Did you just disrespect the Super Soldier himself? Cap would have murdered Batman in a real fight.

But I digress. I forgot Greenie even fought Silver. Both have amazing power potential, but I think Silver would have won. Who did Iron man face?

Cap is a pro at hand to hand that is no question, I saw him take down the Hulk with some Judo shit BUT, Batman is the freakin’ man because of his planning and supreme intellect. As homeboy above me stated. He had a plan to take out the ENTIRE Justice League if need be.

I can’t readily remember who Iron Man fought, was he really in the series??

I think Iron Man took on Steel.

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That makes the most sense.