Bashing Lyle Thread

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here we have Protein Cycling, an old T-Nation orginal article that was touted like it was the real deal.

http://www.t-nation.com/readTopic.do?id=459603

and here we have Protein Cycling Revisited which is Q&A on the Protein Cycling. notice that the last Q is by Lyle McDonald. also, notice that the last A is about how Lyle Mcdonald is “wrong.”

http://www.t-nation.com/readTopic.do?id=460390

at the time that this article was published, anybody who knew anything about nutrition knew that it was bullshit. although, T-Nation didn’t treat it that way. maybe T-Nation considered it an experimental thing, kinda like the Warrior Diet.

as of now, T-Nation knows that Protein Cycling is crap. i heard there was an article published here that said as much, but, being that i haven’t read every article here, i dont know for sure.

even if this article doesn’t exist, you wont find any T-Nation contributor say that Protein Cycling is anything other than dookie.

my purpose in bringing up these articles is not to bash T-Nation (because everybody espouses dumb stuff from time to time), but to show that while others didn’t have their head screwed on, Lyle did.

now, many people like to deride Lyle’s diet/training advice becasue he’s small and an asshole. the fact that he’s small has nothing to do with knowledge of diet/training (especially since he’s a speed skater). people who think strength/rippedness/hyoogeness go together with the knowledge to get stronger/rippeder/hyooger are probably beyond help.

the fact that he’s an asshole only seems to be a problem if you’re a pussy. i find his meanie poo demeanor to be quite refreshing, enjoyable, and adept at getting a point across to an eager mind.

that being said, anybody can say anything about Lyle’s ideas. the one thing that most people dont realize is that Lyle’s diet ideas are based upon non-stupid interpretation of properly performed studies. many other diet ideas (not excluding some from the Nation) are based upon illogical interpretations, poorly performed studies, anecdote, and general speculation.

think whatever you want of Lyle, but dont get your information from anybody but him. he’s easily accessible.

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[quote]wufwugy wrote:

Some bullshit

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again, you provin Lyle Mcdonald groupies are numbnuts. T-Nation is simply, the best training website on the net. Even Men’s journal approved this site!!!
now who in the blue hell is this lyle mcdonald character where are his pics? Too bad I can’t show you how real T-man lifts! By the way a calorie is NOT a calorie! Dr. Berardi has all the scientific proof, just ask him and he will show you!

T-man 4 life

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Lyle has written all kinds of articles on other sites.

They’re good articles.

He’s a straight shooter.

And part of that is that he definitely has strong opinions on the credibility of a few other “well known” writers and some of their ideas.

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[quote]John K wrote:
Lyle has written all kinds of articles on other sites.
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Who in hell cares about other sites? With Chad Waterbury, Chris Shugart, John Davies and Dr.Berardi, we have the best minds of the field!

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I started this thread in order to get the Lyle McDonald cheerleaders and trolls away from the “steroids forever” article which they were polluting with their bullshit.
As for Lyle himself I believe that he’s a pretty smart guy with a big chip on his shoulder.
Having read a few of his books I can agree with some of his views but the feedback I have seen from people who
have tried his UD2 method was that it was impossible for the regular joe to maintain. The theory behind his findings is quite sound…the problem is that the practicality of his advice is close to zero.
He has also an agenda to follow and he makes no bones about it…the agenda is filling his pockets from sales of new books etc.
Now there is absolutely nothing wrong with that. In fact i respect the man for his ability to captivate his audience with his charisma and sarcasm.
The problem with Lyle is that he complicates dieting and bodybuilding to the point that his clients cannot see the forest for the trees.
In his earlier (less egotistical) times he seemed to be quite a nice guy with a lot of good and new ideas.
i’m sorry that as always is the case…a little notoriety has let loose his demons of grandeur.
As to the trolls he lets loose on the net…I wish he would put them back in their cages.

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[quote]grey wrote:
I started this thread in order to get the Lyle McDonald cheerleaders and trolls away from the “steroids forever” article which they were polluting with their bullshit.
As for Lyle himself I believe that he’s a pretty smart guy with a big chip on his shoulder.
Having read a few of his books I can agree with some of his views but the feedback I have seen from people who
have tried his UD2 method was that it was impossible for the regular joe to maintain. The theory behind his findings is quite sound…the problem is that the practicality of his advice is close to zero.
He has also an agenda to follow and he makes no bones about it…the agenda is filling his pockets from sales of new books etc.
Now there is absolutely nothing wrong with that. In fact i respect the man for his ability to captivate his audience with his charisma and sarcasm.
The problem with Lyle is that he complicates dieting and bodybuilding to the point that his clients cannot see the forest for the trees.
In his earlier (less egotistical) times he seemed to be quite a nice guy with a lot of good and new ideas.
i’m sorry that as always is the case…a little notoriety has let loose his demons of grandeur.
As to the trolls he lets loose on the net…I wish he would put them back in their cages.
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Good one, T-man for life!

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[quote]
Having read a few of his books I can agree with some of his views but the feedback I have seen from people who
have tried his UD2 method was that it was impossible for the regular joe to maintain. The theory behind his findings is quite sound…the problem is that the practicality of his advice is close to zero.[/quote]In the very first chapter of his UD2 book, Lyle states who it’s for and who it’s not for. It’s not for the “regular joe.” It’s for someone who already has control of his diet and who has anxiety and motivation issues mostly in check through discipline.

Furthermore, its for someone who’s already lean and wants to get super lean, like for instance a bodybuilding contest. He specifically states that until someone reaches that criteria, he recommends a more simple approach.

This is the deal with Lyle. He’s smart and know’s his shit, but he’s an asshole. He’s not afraid to tell you that you’re wrong, and he’ll mostly like insult you as he’s doing so.

However, that doesn’t mean his advice is bad. No matter how much he hurt your feelings, most likely, he’s right. Like I asked at the beginning, try and come up with specific advice of his that’s ridiculous. I bet you can’t.

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[quote]T-man-Unit wrote:
Who in hell cares about other sites? With Chad Waterbury, Chris Shugart, John Davies and Dr.Berardi, we have the best minds of the field![/quote]

I’m not agreeing or disagreeing with you, but how can you know that you have the “best minds of the field” if you don’t read anyone else?

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[quote]Matonski wrote:

Having read a few of his books I can agree with some of his views but the feedback I have seen from people who
have tried his UD2 method was that it was impossible for the regular joe to maintain. The theory behind his findings is quite sound…the problem is that the practicality of his advice is close to zero.In the very first chapter of his UD2 book, Lyle states who it’s for and who it’s not for. It’s not for the “regular joe.” It’s for someone who already has control of his diet and who has anxiety and motivation issues mostly in check through discipline.

Furthermore, its for someone who’s already lean and wants to get super lean, like for instance a bodybuilding contest. He specifically states that until someone reaches that criteria, he recommends a more simple approach.

This is the deal with Lyle. He’s smart and know’s his shit, but he’s an asshole. He’s not afraid to tell you that you’re wrong, and he’ll mostly like insult you as he’s doing so.

However, that doesn’t mean his advice is bad. No matter how much he hurt your feelings, most likely, he’s right. Like I asked at the beginning, try and come up with specific advice of his that’s ridiculous. I bet you can’t.

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I’ll bet I can.
First of all how can anybody suggest doing 2 full body workouts on 50% maintenance calories…not one but 2 days in a row. Do I smell burning muscle. Yes I do. Catabolism here we come.
The only way this would work would be if you were ready to give up 2 pounds of muscle for a pound of fat loss (or were on a heavy cycle.)
You see he takes the full range of possible excersizes and tries to incorporate them all in one week.
His words…pump tension and power.
Secondly I seldom agree with full body workouts…but especially with super heavy weights while dieting, a sure road to burnout, especially on super restricted cals and carbs.

The problem isn’t the single peices of information he gives, they are technically sound, the problem is what they do to a person who tries to put them all together in the hodge podge format that he suggests. No bodybuilder
with any experience would risk his hard-earned muscle with such a catabolic program.
It’s the intensity that doesn’t work…if it’s not doable then it’s wrong.
Oh and I hardly think it was tailored to the pro bodybuilder. Look at his client base and tell me there are a lot of bodybuilders who have used his methods with success. His followers are the regular joe wannabe bodybuilders who are looking to see some abs for the first time in their lives.

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I just wanted to chime in here and say…

T-MAN 4 LIFE!!!111 OMG STFU N00B!!!11 LOLZ!!11

LYLEZ MACDONLAS DOSNT EEVEN LIFT WAYTS!!11 OMG HE IS A RETERD!11

LOLZZ

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[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
ScottL wrote:
Go to T-Nation search engine. Type in word “Lyle” under search in site.

I guess I missed those. I checked the authors listing and he wasn’t there though.
Strange huh?
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  1. Since using the search engine seems to be beyond you:

Testosterone Nation - New Books by Lyle McDonald.
… New Books by Lyle McDonald. … I just got the new books by Lyle McDonald. ‘Guide to Rapid Weight Loss’ and ‘Flexible Dieting’. Really well written and good info. …
http://www.t-nation.com/readTopic.do?id=554413

Testosterone Nation - Consumer Watchdawg - The Right Stuff
… is on a cyclical ketogenic diet that was co-developed by myself and diet expert Lyle McDonald. My client started the diet on January 1 and, as of May 1, has …
http://www.t-nation.com/readTopic.do?id=460282

Testosterone Nation - Golden Rule for Gaining Mass
… up with food combining, which is ‘voodoo bullshit nutrition’ in the words of Lyle Mcdonald. Make sure the caloric intake, protein and EFA intake is sufficient …
http://www.t-nation.com/readTopic.do?id=852877&pageNo=1

Testosterone Nation - Who is THE Nutrition Guru?
… Bronx Bomber Arizona, USA. Lyle Mcdonald, Lonnie Lowery, and good common sense. smt_007 Australia. DR’S Berardi, Lowery and Di pasquale. Kuz Connecticut, USA. …
http://www.t-nation.com/readTopic.do?id=842715&pageNo=1

Testosterone Nation - JB and All: Low-Carb=Lies?
… plummet - extremely catabolic(due to absence of carbs) he also attack the writer, Lyle McDonald, of Ultimate Diet 2.0, said Lyle was once try to use ketogenic …
http://www.t-nation.com/readTopic.do?id=752867

Testosterone Nation - All Powerlifters Are Fatties!!
… are the easier it would be to gain muscle. now, not so much. learning from Lyle McDonald helps a lot. he knows his shit. i believe he believes that beyond 15 …
http://www.t-nation.com/readTopic.do?id=699538&pageNo=5

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  1. " I checked the authors listing and he wasn’t there though. Strange huh?"

Lyle is known (among other things) for taking a skeptical view of supps…and you’re suprised he has not been asked to write for T-Nation?

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ROFLMAO!!!

T-Man-Unit, that is some hilarious fanboyism. I don’t think I’ve ever read anything that retarded and pathetic here.
You’re one of those people who ONLY believe some few sources and never consider anything else.

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I realize that there are many who think that everyone who post here are dumbass sheeple…

But a guy with less than 10 post, all of a suddun decides to lend his fervent and undying “Nation” support in a thread about someone he knows nothing about?

Right…

A thread like this is like arguing Religion…it won’t change one single mind, and will only entrench people with whatever they choose to believe.

The writers here are excellent.

Lyle is very knowledgeble.

Everyone should learn how to respect what someone has to offer even if you don’t always agree with the advice.

Mufasa

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[quote]Haban wrote:
ROFLMAO!!!

T-Man-Unit, that is some hilarious fanboyism. I don’t think I’ve ever read anything that retarded and pathetic here.
You’re one of those people who ONLY believe some few sources and never consider anything else.

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sigh Even though Mufasa just beat me to it, it bears repeating. That guy is just a troll who thinks he’s incredibly amusing for posting overly enthusiastic posts about T-Nation. I would have thought most people would notice that because it’s really not terribly clever.

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My instinct tells me that T-Man-Unit is not the fourteen year old noob you think he is. I suspect he has another screen name and that his posts smack of sarcasm.

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[quote]Kuz wrote:
harris447 wrote:
What in the name of sweet sweaty fuck are you talking about?

On a totally separate note, I really [i]like[/i] that line. I might need to use it…[/quote]

We agree on something? christmas is breaking out all over! :slight_smile:

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[quote]harris447 wrote:
Kuz wrote:
harris447 wrote:
What in the name of sweet sweaty fuck are you talking about?

On a totally separate note, I really [i]like[/i] that line. I might need to use it…

We agree on something? christmas is breaking out all over! :slight_smile:
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I was thinking the same thing! Hell, you even got rainjack to agree with you twice in the same week. sniff It’s a Christmas miracle!

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“a little noteriety let loose his demons of grandeur…”

I like that.

GAINER

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[quote]Kuz wrote:
He has been posting under lylemcd and taking pot-shots from the cheap seats at TC. All of the posts of his I have seen on the site have been fairly negative. Big surprise.[/quote]

Yeah, that’s what Lyle does - take pot shots from the cheap seats. He’s an ass. But whatever I think about him on a personal level, most of his diet and training advice is sound, and is based on years of experience and on current research.

The main problem I see with his books is that he doesn’t really know his audience. He thinks his main market is bodybuilders, but it’s not. It’s fat middle-aged wannabe bodybuilders.

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[quote]grey wrote:
Having read a few of his books I can agree with some of his views but the feedback I have seen from people who
have tried his UD2 method was that it was impossible for the regular joe to maintain. The theory behind his findings is quite sound…the problem is that the practicality of his advice is close to zero.[/quote]

Right. The regular joe can’t/won’t stick to a plan like that. Obsessive-compulsive bodybuilders will, but that doesn’t account for a large portion of Lyle’s following. The problem is that his advice for the average person (which he doesn’t realize is what most of his following consists of) is

  1. Eat less
  2. Exercise more
  3. Repeat
  4. Forever

which won’t sell a whole lot of books.

Yes. He gives a lot of complex information and minutiae, and then when people ask how to apply it, he tells them to stop stressing over the little stuff.

I agree about the ideas, but he’s never been a nice guy.