Ban on Organic and Backyard Gardening?

[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:
<<< I don’t think I made a big deal out of something that was so absolutely ridiculous and far fetched. >>>

It wasn’t all that long ago when thinking even .01% of citizens of the United States of America would one day support almost ANYTHING you believe was far fetched. Nothing is far fetched anymore.
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Again, take your fuckin tin foil hats off. People are exactly the same as they always were, politics is corrupt (but less than it used to be) and they’re not going to take away your tomato plants. You guys are seriously insane.

[quote]tGunslinger wrote:

It’s fine if you don’t like W, but take a close look at what Obama and Congress has done.

Can you say “stagflation”?

It’s coming. It’s as if Obama wants stagflation, and is trying his damnedest to induce it. Honest to God, if the man was simply incompetent, he’d at least get something right about the economy.

We’ve already got a recession and relatively high unemployment, and now Obama, Congress, and the Fed are pushing policies that do nothing to combat the unemployment yet will kick-start inflation.

Have you seen the money-supply charts lately? The hockey stick on those fuckers would make Al Gore blush.

W, for all of the condemnable things he did while he was in office, never did anything that harmed everyday Americans the way Obama’s economic policies will.
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Not too bad. I read up to here before I concluded that you’re either on acid or have a very short memory.

[quote]hedo wrote:

The ruling party is building a droid army to do their bidding. They question nothing the supreme leader and his lords come up with. In return the rulers provide them with payments for their obedience. The people will protest nothing.
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A droid army??? hahah. OK Obi-Wan. Better get your light saber and go fight the Dark Lord before its too late.

LOL

[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
A droid army??? hahah. OK Obi-Wan. Better get your light saber and go fight the Dark Lord before its too late. [/quote]

I see what you did there.

[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
Tiribulus wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:
<<< I don’t think I made a big deal out of something that was so absolutely ridiculous and far fetched. >>>

It wasn’t all that long ago when thinking even .01% of citizens of the United States of America would one day support almost ANYTHING you believe was far fetched. Nothing is far fetched anymore.

Again, take your fuckin tin foil hats off. People are exactly the same as they always were, politics is corrupt (but less than it used to be) and they’re not going to take away your tomato plants. You guys are seriously insane.[/quote]

Did you watch the video link provided?

[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
hedo wrote:

The ruling party is building a droid army to do their bidding. They question nothing the supreme leader and his lords come up with. In return the rulers provide them with payments for their obedience. The people will protest nothing.
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A droid army??? hahah. OK Obi-Wan. Better get your light saber and go fight the Dark Lord before its too late.

LOL[/quote]

Droid army is a term I got it from a friend who is a Democratic politician. That’s what they call Acorn and the young voters who are signed up for the Obama E mail blasts.

Support for Obama is falling dramatically. All due to his policies. Wait till some of the policies really start to take effect. Might see single digit approval ratings.

[quote]hedo wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:
hedo wrote:

The ruling party is building a droid army to do their bidding. They question nothing the supreme leader and his lords come up with. In return the rulers provide them with payments for their obedience. The people will protest nothing.
.

A droid army??? hahah. OK Obi-Wan. Better get your light saber and go fight the Dark Lord before its too late.

LOL

Droid army is a term I got it from a friend who is a Democratic politician. That’s what they call Acorn and the young voters who are signed up for the Obama E mail blasts.

Support for Obama is falling dramatically. All due to his policies. Wait till some of the policies really start to take effect. Might see single digit approval ratings.

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Obama supporters are being sent out to drum up support. One Obama organizer in Alabama is quoted as saying, “We’re looking for supporters,” said DeHaven of Hoover. “We’re not looking for a fight. That will come later, when we have an army.”:

http://www.al.com/birminghamnews/stories/index.ssf?/base/news/1237709752152800.xml&coll=2

[quote]hedo wrote:
Droid army is a term I got it from a friend who is a Democratic politician. That’s what they call Acorn and the young voters who are signed up for the Obama E mail blasts.

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Your friend should get his Star Wars metaphors right. It’s clone army, god damn it.

[quote]Loose Tool wrote:

Argentum sequor.

I read Federal HR875. Not surprisingly, it neither outlaws nor criminalizes organic or backyard gardening.

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What it does is standardizes health and safety requirements for all “food production facilities.”

(14) FOOD PRODUCTION FACILITY- The term ‘food production facility’ means any farm, ranch, orchard, vineyard, aquaculture facility, or confined animal-feeding operation.

How many square feet does a garden have to be before it’s considered a “farm” by federal busybodies? How many goats or catfish constitute a “ranch” or “aquaculture facility”?

Remember, we’re dealing with an organization that considers a mud puddle to be a “Federal wetland” that needs protecting, and that thinks that the addition of a vertical pistol grip to a Ruger 10-22 somehow transforms it into a deadly “assault weapon” that must be banned.

Of course the law wouldn’t specifically stipulate that a plot of organically-grown heirloom tomatoes is illegal, but it does specify how food grown for commercial use must be grown and handled, what records must be kept, and what safety guidelines must be adhered to.

No organic gardener is going to be able to comply with the record-keeping and testing requirements this bill calls for, and people who regularly sell their surplus produce at farmers’ markets or on the side of the road out the back of a pickup are going to be intimidated by the thought of having to pay hefty fines for non-compliance with Federal Law.

Ask yourself why the number of FFL holders has been declining. Same reason: compliance with the law has become too big of a pain in the ass. This bill isn’t about directly legislating organic farmers out of existence, it’s about making their livelihood too inconvenient to be sustainable.

Then think of the organic dairy and turkey farmers you mentioned. It’s hard enough to compete with the mega-farms as it is. If they have to comply with stringent Federal requirements as well, they’ll hang it up altogether.

[quote]Varqanir wrote:
hedo wrote:
Droid army is a term I got it from a friend who is a Democratic politician. That’s what they call Acorn and the young voters who are signed up for the Obama E mail blasts.

Your friend should get his Star Wars metaphors right. It’s clone army, god damn it.

Doesn’t have the same ring to it though…

[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
Not too bad. I read up to here before I concluded that you’re either on acid or have a very short memory.
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What a stinging riposte.

I realize that I’m probably asking too much of a journalist, but maybe you could include some specifics?

Gentlemen you could seriously be the first nation to simultaneously legalize weed and prohibit tomato plants.

Words fail me.

[quote]orion wrote:
Gentlemen you could seriously be the first nation to simultaneously legalize weed and prohibit tomato plants.

Words fail me.

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Interesting observation. I may have to use it but will give you proper credit.

Not sure where the issue is. This is for commercial production facilities. It clearly states that not for profit establishments are excluded. The people who are at risk are mom and pop style smallholdings which sell a few free range eggs etc to get some income.

SEC. 401. PROHIBITED ACTS.

It is prohibited–

(1) to manufacture, introduce, deliver for introduction, or receive in interstate commerce any food that is adulterated, misbranded, or otherwise unsafe;

(2) to adulterate or misbrand any food in interstate commerce;

(3) for a food establishment or foreign food establishment to fail to register under section 202, or to operate without a valid registration;

(4) to refuse to permit access to a food establishment or food production facility for the inspection and copying of a record as required under sections 205(f) and 206(a);

(5) to fail to establish or maintain any record or to make any report as required under sections 205(f) and 206(b);

(6) to refuse to permit entry to or inspection of a food establishment as required under section 205;

(7) to fail to provide to the Administrator the results of testing or sampling of food, equipment, or material in contact with food, that is positive for any contaminant under section 205(f)(1)(B);

(8) to fail to comply with a provision, regulation, or order of the Administrator under section 202, 203, 204, 206, or 208;

(9) to slaughter an animal that is capable for use in whole or in part as human food at a food establishment processing any food for commerce, except in compliance with the food safety law;

(10) to transfer food in violation of an administrative detention order under section 402 or to remove or alter a required mark or label identifying the food as detained;

(11) to fail to comply with a recall or other order under section 403; or

(12) to otherwise violate the food safety law.

B) EXCLUSIONS- For the purposes of registration, the term `food establishment’ does not include a food production facility as defined in paragraph (14), restaurant, other retail food establishment, nonprofit food establishment in which food is prepared for or served directly to the consumer, or fishing vessel (other than a fishing vessel engaged in processing, as that term is defined in section 123.3 of title 21, Code of Federal Regulations).

[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
Tiribulus wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:
<<< I don’t think I made a big deal out of something that was so absolutely ridiculous and far fetched. >>>

It wasn’t all that long ago when thinking even .01% of citizens of the United States of America would one day support almost ANYTHING you believe was far fetched. Nothing is far fetched anymore.

Again, take your fuckin tin foil hats off. People are exactly the same as they always were, politics is corrupt (but less than it used to be) and they’re not going to take away your tomato plants. You guys are seriously insane.[/quote]

My tin foil hat is staying right where it is.