Baltimore Burning

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]BlueCollarTr8n wrote:

[quote]NorCal916 wrote:
^ I know from raw numbers there are more poor whites. Of course. Whites make up a significant amount of the populace as opposed to the 12% black. But the poor white that live in the trailer parks don’t have the family issues I believe that the inner city does. And the density breeds crime. I would say lack of education is probably similar. But here is the difference: the government enslavement through what is referred to as assistance.

And the resistance to have a true conversation about socio-economics and race in America. The reason I rail on it is because it’s getting worse. I don’t want to like in a damn police state. But what is the answer? The police are now neutered. So how do we deal with this hostility? Remember, it’s not ALL directed at the po po. It’s at lack of jobs, opportunity, schools etc. it’s the whole package.

The po po are the easiest to identify and fight.

And how do I feel?? Uncomfortable!! It sucks talking about the real problems because it is depressing and there is so little hope it will get better. A black president has made it worse.

It’s sad really. [/quote]

I assure you that poor Caucasians have similar family issues. They are also receiving public assistance. Worse compared to what/when…there have certainly been many periods when things where much worse than they are today. IMO…law enforcement isn’t neutered; they currently have more resources and unconditional judicial support than in any other period in the modern era. How exactly has a black President made things worse?
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I think post-Ferguson police departments are going to change. They have to. They can’t continue with the civil unrest. Since all of this stuff has been brought to life, they are now being held accountable, thus making them defensive. They will care about their own safety instead of helping others. Where I grew up, we didn’t rely on the police for anything. I guess that’s why I have never called 911 and am a strong 2nd amendment advocate. The police are here mostly for their own benefit.

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[quote]NorCal916 wrote:
That’s interesting. I knew there was many riots in our past (with the sarcastic Tea Party reference). I was just thinking in the last 50 years or so.
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Well, that’s the problem with such a recent time frame. In the last fifty years, whitey has had less and less to be pissed off about. The Super Bowl? Best Buy sold out of Xbox 360? Gimme a fucking break.

Seriously, though, when whitey has rioted at all since the 1960s, it’s generally been for the same reasons that blacks, Hispanics and other races are rioting. Take labor riots, for example. The Coeur d’Alene labor confrontation of 1899 and the Minneapolis general strike of 1934 were pretty much whites-only affairs (considering the geographical locations as well, this is hardly surprising), whereas the majority of the rioters (but not all) in the 1968 sanitation strike in St Petersburg, Florida were black.

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[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
Obama agrees with me, “That is not a protest. That is not a statement,” Obama said of the violence. “It’s a handful of people taking advantage of the situation. They need to be treated as criminals.”

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/politics/blog/bal-obama-reacts-to-freddie-gray-20150428-story.html

I take back everything I wrote AC…[/quote]

Cool. I started seeing the pattern when they burned the cvs. Too organized, too similar, too fast. This kind of thing doesn’t happen in a vacuum.

Now that we know they are “organized”, the next question in MY little brain is this: who benefits the most from this escalation?

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[quote]MaximusB wrote:

[quote]Aggv wrote:

[quote]angry chicken wrote:
This is an ATTACK on our civil rights using Baltimore as the catalyst. If things simmer down, just wait until the next one…[/quote]

This, the government is waiting for a 9/11 event to really crack down.

“You never let a serious crisis go to waste. And what I mean by that it’s an opportunity to do things you think you could not do before.” - Rahm Emanuel [/quote]

Have to agree with you on this, it’s clear that government will do what it wants by hook or by crook. [/quote]

My thoughts exactly.

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[quote]Varqanir wrote:

[quote]NorCal916 wrote:

[quote]MaximusB wrote:

[quote]Varqanir wrote:

[quote]MaximusB wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]NorCal916 wrote:

Here is what I see AC: cops kill another unarmed black in Anytown, USA. Agitators then come to a WHITE SUBURB are cause havoc. Police fight back this time and shit finally gets real.

They will learn they won’t wake up whitey until it happens in their hood.

Watch.
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Utter horse shit. Just utter horse shit to the 9th degree.

Fucking skin color has nothing to do with it. Police get away with killing white people too, white people riot quite often too, and burn shit and destroy areas of cities.

Good lord.
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Not disagreeing with you completely, but when was the last time white people rioted ?[/quote]

February of 2014, Ukraine.
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Got anything more local ?
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Please indulge us. Let’s start with our continent, and work our way to our country for starters.

And please no references to Boston circa 1770.
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Okay. Tulsa, Oklahoma, 1921, was the last time white people in the United States had a serious riot, in which white mobs destroyed 35 blocks of the black business district, killing between 40 and 300 blacks (depending on who you ask), injuring 800, and leaving ten thousand homeless.

I mean, there were the “civil rights” riots in the sixties in which white people participated, but these were primarily black race riots, and the instigators were not white. And the anti war protests, of course, were not “riots” per se.

The early twentieth and late nineteenth centuries were full of white-on-black riots in the United States. Some with pretty impressive body counts.

1917, St. Louis, Missouri: three thousand white rioters loot and burn black homes, destroy black business district, kill between 100 and 200 blacks.
1908, Springfield, Illinois
1906, Atlanta, Georgia: ten thousand white rioters kill 40 blacks, drive the rest out of the city.
1898, Lake City, South Carolina
1898, Phoenix, South Carolina
1898, Wilmington, North Carolina: two thousand white rioters kill 60 blacks
1876, Hamburg, South Carolina
1874, Liberty Place, Louisiana: five thousand White League rioters kill 40 blacks
1874, Coushatta, Louisiana: White League kills 20 blacks
1874, Vicksburg, Mississippi: 31 blacks killed
1873, Colifax, Louisiana: white mob burns down courthouses with blacks inside, killing up to 150
1871, Meridian, Mississippi: white mobs burn down black homes and schools, killing 30
1870, Eutaw, Alabama
1870, Laurens, South Carolina
1868, Opalousa, Louisiana: 1000 white rioters kill 100 blacks
1866, Memphis, Tennessee: 46 blacks killed, 5 black women raped, a hundred buildings looted and burned by white rioters.

So. I’d say whites win, whaddya think? White people don’t fuck around. At least they didn’t used to. Buncha pussies, these days.[/quote]

So black people are rioting because of events that happened between 98-149 years ago ?

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[quote]NorCal916 wrote:
He took a tremendous opportunity (first minority president) and shit on it through his own hubris.
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Again…what exactly did he do?

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[quote]NorCal916 wrote:

[quote]BlueCollarTr8n wrote:
…law enforcement isn’t neutered; they currently have more resources and unconditional judicial support than in any other period in the modern era. How exactly has a black President made things worse?
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I think post-Ferguson police departments are going to change. They have to. They can’t continue with the civil unrest. Since all of this stuff has been brought to life, they are now being held accountable, thus making them defensive. They will care about their own safety instead of helping others. Where I grew up, we didn’t rely on the police for anything. I guess that’s why I have never called 911 and am a strong 2nd amendment advocate. The police are here mostly for their own benefit.
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I’m confused…one one hand you mention that law enforcement exists for their benefit; and on the other you’re concerned they will be hesitant to help others? Additionally, is it your position that increased accountability of government is a bad??

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[quote]TheCB wrote:

[quote]Phoenix44e wrote:
One day the riots will turn into witch hunts, people pulling other people out of cars and beating them to death, lighting houses and churches and hospitals on fire, etc…
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typical complete bullshit hyperbole from an internet nostradamus.

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I’m going to go out on a limb and assume you were too young for the LA Riots in the 90’s and haven’t actually read anything on them?

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]TheCB wrote:

[quote]Phoenix44e wrote:
One day the riots will turn into witch hunts, people pulling other people out of cars and beating them to death, lighting houses and churches and hospitals on fire, etc…
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typical complete bullshit hyperbole from an internet nostradamus.

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I’m going to go out on a limb and assume you were too young for the LA Riots in the 90’s and haven’t actually read anything on them?[/quote]

Maybe the youngin’ needs a visual.

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[quote]BlueCollarTr8n wrote:

[quote]NorCal916 wrote:
He took a tremendous opportunity (first minority president) and shit on it through his own hubris.
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Again…what exactly did he do?
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His divisive, inflammatory statements. The deficit of leadership made bad situations worse. His unique position could have been quite helpful.

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[quote]BlueCollarTr8n wrote:

[quote]NorCal916 wrote:

[quote]BlueCollarTr8n wrote:
…law enforcement isn’t neutered; they currently have more resources and unconditional judicial support than in any other period in the modern era. How exactly has a black President made things worse?
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I think post-Ferguson police departments are going to change. They have to. They can’t continue with the civil unrest. Since all of this stuff has been brought to life, they are now being held accountable, thus making them defensive. They will care about their own safety instead of helping others. Where I grew up, we didn’t rely on the police for anything. I guess that’s why I have never called 911 and am a strong 2nd amendment advocate. The police are here mostly for their own benefit.
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I’m confused…one one hand you mention that law enforcement exists for their benefit; and on the other you’re concerned they will be hesitant to help others? Additionally, is it your position that increased accountability of government is a bad??
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I don’t think I was clear. Accountability is great, it starts with the citizens compelling to government to do so. The police are just another arm of the government. They don’t serve the citizens anymore. They serve the government. I’m talking about as an institution, not the individual officers. I know there are plenty of good ones.

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[quote]Bismark wrote:
Yes, I’m sure there are multiple MQ-1 Predator drones armed with AGM-114 Hellfire missiles. [/quote]

Because having armed drones flying makes total sense vs. having them fly simply to observe.

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[quote]MaximusB wrote:
So black people are rioting because of events that happened between 98-149 years ago ?
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The whole logic behind all of this is 2 wrongs make it right, so that’s totally logical.

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[quote]MaximusB wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]TheCB wrote:

[quote]Phoenix44e wrote:
One day the riots will turn into witch hunts, people pulling other people out of cars and beating them to death, lighting houses and churches and hospitals on fire, etc…
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typical complete bullshit hyperbole from an internet nostradamus.

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I’m going to go out on a limb and assume you were too young for the LA Riots in the 90’s and haven’t actually read anything on them?[/quote]

Maybe the youngin’ needs a visual.[/quote]

That would be Reginald Denny for the Twitter generation.

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Thought this was kinda funny:

http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2015-04-29/obama-offers-absurd-response-to-baltimore-riots?cmpid=yhoo

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This thread is funny.

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“communities where there are no fathers who can provide guidance to young men…”

Something logical the god king said, and is 100% the problem with inner cities. You have multiple generations of children getting pregnant who have no ability to support themselves, let alone another child.

No clue how you fix it either because keeping your legs closed, and pulling out is free, well known, and about as simple as it gets to prevent this problem. There is nobody to blame but the individual, which is a problem for leftist.

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Just saw this post.

[quote]angry chicken wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
Look at how peaceful Baltimore is:[/quote]

Not sure why you keep arguing the narrative that I’m saying Baltimore is a peaceful place. [/quote]

I was never trying to argue that your narrative was that Baltimore is peacful. I threw the stats up when you brought up how black men and killed, brutalized, etc… by Baltimore City police. I was trying to demonstrate how black men and women in the city kill, brutalize, etc… each other way more so than the cop do. That’s all.

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I GREW UP there, dude. I lived on my own on the streets of Baltimore from the time I was 16 back when it was the heroin capital of the US… I saw murders, robbery, theft, rape, torture, and everything under the sun. Please show me where I stated that Baltimore was a nice peaceful place. It’s most certainly not. [/quote]
I never said that you did.

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The POINT that I’m attempting to make is that the CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM in Baltimore, from the Cop on the street to the Judge on the bench is ENTIRELY CORRUPT.

THAT’S my point. [/quote]

That’s ridiculous. The system is 100% corrupt, I don’t believe that.

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So when the cops kill ANOTHER black person while in police custody, AT A TIME IN OUR COUNTRY WHEN THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH HAS EFFECTIVELY DIVIDED OUR NATION ALONG RACIAL LINES, what does one reasonably expect? [/quote]

How about proof that Freddie was murdered by the police and justice if that’s the case. I’m all for that.

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I have BEEN THROUGH the criminal “justice” system, HAVE YOU? [/quote]
No.

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I have experienced FIRST HAND having my rights repeatedly violated by Maryland Law Enforcement/Corrections, HAVE YOU? [/quote]

No.

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I’m angry about it. In case you’ve been reading my posts for the last couple of years, you may have picked up on that. I got out of Maryland because I kept getting beaten by their law enforcement (Baltimore City and PG county in particular, although I’ve enjoyed being needlessly harassed by Montgomery county cops as well). Guess how many times I’ve been beaten by cops in Northern Virginia or DC? NONE… [/quote]

I’m genuinely glad you’ve gotten out of what sounds like a nightmare.

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Maryland, and Baltimore in particular, has a problem with LE using excessive force, beating people and regularly violating their civil rights. I know, because I lived there and witnessed it a thousand times WITH MY OWN EYES, not some news story. I’ve experienced it FIRST HAND, would you like to see the scars I carry from those experiences? This isn’t some fucking joke - people are reaching a TIPPING POINT.[/quote]

Thousands of times, come on man…

I would think they’d be tired of getting robbed, beaten, harassed, and KILLED by each other even more, but that doesn’t seem to be the case. It’s hypocritical and police brutality (stats would be nice here) is used as an excuse to break the law by many as we saw this week.

I’m for law and order.

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[quote]angry chicken wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
The Baltimore police department isn’t just a bunch of oppressive white people. [/quote]

AGAIN, putting words in my mouth. Jesus fucking christ. Have I written the words “WHITE POLICE OFFICERS” or “WHITE LAW ENFORCEMENT”? Have I made the claim that it’s the WHITE police officers doing all the evil in the city?

No, I do not believe I have. I believe I’ve said, “POLICE OFFICERS” and “LAW ENFORCEMENT” as in white, black, brown, red and yellow police officers…

I’m kinda done arguing with you for today, bro. You just aren’t paying attention to what I’m saying and I just don’t have time to spell it out for you.

So you win. The Baltimore police department is perfect and there are no problems. /sarcasm[/quote]

Did I direct this post to you?

Did I quote you somewhere when I posted that?

Did I say the Baltimore City police department is perfect?

No, I didn’t.

Relax, I’m not misrepresenting your position, Jesus. Not everything is about Angry Chicken. You are the one making inference that aren’t there. That’s on you man and hilariously you turn around and do the same thing (he Baltimore police department is perfect and there are no problems. /sarcasm) because that’s what Ive written, right?

The fact of the matter is that a lot of people are pushing the narrative that this is the evil white man keeping poor black people down, which is absurd seeing as a large percentage of Baltimore city police officers are black.

FTR, for anyone reading this, I don’t think Angry Chiken thinks Baltimore City is the worlds greatest city of that this is some elaborate plan by the white man to keep the black man down.

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Not taking the bait, USMC

You like to twist words too much to argue with. You’re subtle, I’ll give you that. But you are still twisting what I write. Not interested in “debating” anyone anymore about this. How you can just flippantly dismiss the actual experiences of someone who grew up in the very neighborhoods being discussed who has had first hand interaction with officers (you know, the EXACT topic on hand?) is beyond me. It boggles my little brain.

But whatever, you’re right, I’m wrong. "nuff said. After all, you have STATISTICS. And everyone knows, STATISTICS never lie…