Hehehe.
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
Hehehe.[/quote]
I remember this incident, it was nothing that resembled what I saw the past few days in Baltimore.
If some turned over porta-Johns are the biggest problem, then white people problems should be considered the the margarine of rioting.
Justin Bieber part of the white power structure, fmlā¦
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
How do you feel about the police wearing body cameraās AC? [/quote]
I feel the body cameras would be much more effective if they were DC, as AC would require them to be plugged into a wall socket.
This would be fine for office cops, but beat cops would be getting the extension cord all tangled up and caught in stuff.
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
How do you feel about the police wearing body cameraās AC? [/quote]
I feel the body cameras would be much more effective if they were DC, as AC would require them to be plugged into a wall socket.
This would be fine for office cops, but beat cops would be getting the extension cord all tangled up and caught in stuff.[/quote]
Applause.
Thanks for posting the Hayes video, by the way. Not a fan of his, but that was a brilliant clip, and I donāt use that word often.
[quote]H factor wrote:
[quote]TheCB wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]TheCB wrote:
[quote]Phoenix44e wrote:
One day the riots will turn into witch hunts, people pulling other people out of cars and beating them to death, lighting houses and churches and hospitals on fire, etcā¦
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typical complete bullshit hyperbole from an internet nostradamus.
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Iām going to go out on a limb and assume you were too young for the LA Riots in the 90ās and havenāt actually read anything on them?[/quote]
were multiple people dragged from cars and killed?
were hospitals burned to the ground? multiple houses? churches?
because that is what is being stated in the above post.
posting a video of one person being badly beaten does not prove ANY of the above btw (i know it was another poster, but still).
it is an extraordinary leap to go from the current problems to saying random people will be pulled from cars and killed and hospitals burned to the ground. i really do not understand the need for such outlandish exaggerating.[/quote]
Welcome to the internet where outlandish exaggerating and entirely baseless predictions just spew forth from peopleās computers.
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Welcome to reality, where there are eonās of historical precedence that back up that āexaggerationā throughout human history.
Did you two not have to read Tale of Two Cities in high school?
[quote]angry chicken wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
No questions weāre done.
Iāve seen you rail on and on about a person picking 1 sentence out of a page long post and arguing for days about what amounts to semantics and in general something that has zero to do with their point. Yet, that is EXACTLY what is happening here.
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No, you addressed it. You wrote that you seriously doubt Iāve seen THOUSANDS of instances of police brutality - essentially calling me a liar. But what you claimed I said was not true. So I felt compelled to set the record straight. If you had gotten your facts straight from the beginning and not twisted what I wrote, then we both could have saved several wasted minutes of our lives.
Itās a pet peeve of mine, what can I say?
Edit: If you havenāt figured it out, my word is a pretty big deal to me. I donāt lie. And when people imply that I do, I take it very personally.[/quote]
AC, I on your side in this argument. I have seen it too. I have been a victim of it to a lesser extent in that I have been harassed, though not arrested. I gave a story in another thread of one incident, but it was one. I am a white guy. I used to wear my hair long (actually I have grow it back out, so itās long again). So only because of that, I have been pulled over and dealt with rudely only because of the way I look, I can presume, I cannot think of another reason. And that harassment cane from both white and black cops. On the other hand, I also have dealt with really cool cops. One cop told me I was the ācoolest guy he ever metā. I am not the type of person who was involved with criminal activity on any measurable scale.
There is a problem with the police in this country. I think the problem is there is no independent oversight. No accountability. All the oversight and accountability is internal and they always excuse each other.
My brother lives in Las Vegas, he regaled me a story about a marine in the reserves, white person, legal firearm owner and carrier. He was carrying concealed in a Sams. So bitch called the cops on him because he must have accidentally shown his gun getting something off a shelf.
The cops shot a killed the guy in the parking lot. It was ruled an accident and the officer was suspended with pay for a time.
Thatās just not just.
What happened in Ferguson I donāt count. I smelled something wrong with the whole āHands up, donāt shootā B.S. and in time that turned out not to be true. Michael Brown was an asshole who attacked a cop.
This Freddy Gray incident however, I believe was Police abuse. I donāt care what kind of Jedi mind tricks the cops are trying to play, he was clearly injured before he was put in the van. The video makes that clear.
There needs to be a real, independent investigation, outside the blue wall. The blue wall covers to many misdeeds. The bad cops need to be weeded out, it makes all the cops look bad and thatās not fair because I believe most of them are good and well intentioned. We got to get rid of the bad one poisoning the wells for all of them and unchecked abuse must come to an end.
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
How do you feel about the police wearing body cameraās AC? [/quote]
I feel the body cameras would be much more effective if they were DC, as AC would require them to be plugged into a wall socket.
This would be fine for office cops, but beat cops would be getting the extension cord all tangled up and caught in stuff.[/quote]
Sacrifices have to be made my friend.
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
How do you feel about the police wearing body cameraās AC? [/quote]
I feel the body cameras would be much more effective if they were DC, as AC would require them to be plugged into a wall socket.
This would be fine for office cops, but beat cops would be getting the extension cord all tangled up and caught in stuff.[/quote]
Actually, if they wore an inverter back pack they could modulate a sinusoidal wave form from the DC pulseā¦ Although, if the police were limited in movement by a 50ā extension cord plugged into a wall along with the AC camera, then Iām sure a noticeable drop in police brutality would be quickly evidentā¦
On a serious note, I think that body cameras for all police is a bandaid approach. It will limit SOME injustice - and given the current situation, ANYTHING to bring more accountability is desirable. But the real issue at hand is the criminalization of SO MANY things, giving the police the excuse and authority to stop pretty much anyone for anything. I mean, broken tail lights escalate into people getting shotā¦ Thatās kinda fucked upā¦
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
How do you feel about the police wearing body cameraās AC? [/quote]
I feel the body cameras would be much more effective if they were DC, as AC would require them to be plugged into a wall socket.
This would be fine for office cops, but beat cops would be getting the extension cord all tangled up and caught in stuff.[/quote]
Sacrifices have to be made my friend. [/quote]
Iām for cameras. If will deter the thugs (both the thugs in blue and the thugs on the street).
BUT to some, video evidence wonāt make a difference. Facts donāt matter. They will claim the video is doctored, out of context, edited, or didnāt show the whole matter, etc. You see, facts (unlike black lives) DONT matter.
[quote]angry chicken wrote:
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
How do you feel about the police wearing body cameraās AC? [/quote]
I feel the body cameras would be much more effective if they were DC, as AC would require them to be plugged into a wall socket.
This would be fine for office cops, but beat cops would be getting the extension cord all tangled up and caught in stuff.[/quote]
Actually, if they wore an inverter back pack they could modulate a sinusoidal wave form from the DC pulseā¦ Although, if the police were limited in movement by a 50ā extension cord plugged into a wall along with the AC camera, then Iām sure a noticeable drop in police brutality would be quickly evidentā¦
On a serious note, I think that body cameras for all police is a bandaid approach. It will limit SOME injustice - and given the current situation, ANYTHING to bring more accountability is desirable. But the real issue at hand is the criminalization of SO MANY things, giving the police the excuse and authority to stop pretty much anyone for anything. I mean, broken tail lights escalate into people getting shotā¦ Thatās kinda fucked upā¦[/quote]
I simply think that an independent authority, not related or associated to the po-po would be the best. An authority who can bring charges and hold cops accountable to the law like any other citizen. A cop shoots an unarmed man by accident, manslaughter. Shoots an unarmed man on purpose, murder, etc.
^ like an Obummer Civilian Force?
Dunno there. Thatās why we have an AG
And AGs are elected. In cities like this, they are dems.
[quote]NorCal916 wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
How do you feel about the police wearing body cameraās AC? [/quote]
I feel the body cameras would be much more effective if they were DC, as AC would require them to be plugged into a wall socket.
This would be fine for office cops, but beat cops would be getting the extension cord all tangled up and caught in stuff.[/quote]
Sacrifices have to be made my friend. [/quote]
Iām for cameras. If will deter the thugs (both the thugs in blue and the thugs on the street).
BUT to some, video evidence wonāt make a difference. Facts donāt matter. They will claim the video is doctorer, out of context, edited, ir didnāt show the whole matter. You see, facts (unlike black lives) DONT matter.
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I just hate cameras. I am ok with people turning on a camera when they see something happening, but cameras on all the time, to me are invasive and anti-liberty. We donāt need to be monitored all the time.
^ true. But after that SC cop murderā¦
[quote]NorCal916 wrote:
^ like an Obummer Civilian Force?
Dunno there. Thatās why we have an AG[/quote]
An elected body, perhaps of lawyers and those who know the law probably wouldnāt be bad. And not a federal force. There should be one over seeing each city, county and state police. Or at least a state body who reviews all cases.
I foresee in the future that ALL public activity will be monitored and recorded. They will use security or what not for reasoning. Private property will be your only safe haven.
Agree or disagree?
[quote]pat wrote:
[quote]NorCal916 wrote:
^ like an Obummer Civilian Force?
Dunno there. Thatās why we have an AG[/quote]
An elected body, perhaps of lawyers and those who know the law probably wouldnāt be bad. And not a federal force. There should be one over seeing each city, county and state police. Or at least a state body who reviews all cases.[/quote]
Isnāt that what the Attorney Generalās office is supposed to be doing already?
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]angry chicken wrote:
USMC, I posted my reply before I had read your reply to Varq. I accept your apology and Iām happy to move on.
So, if we distill the last few pages down to their essence, if you will allow, the point that we are arguing about (and often times past one another) for the past few pages is that the citizens of Baltimore are hypocrites?
Before we go any further, Iād like to establish that. Is that a fair assessment?[/quote]
(Deep Breath)
Yes, I think that the people of Baltimore should be more angry and should be fighting harder to change the violent culture of the city first and foremost. I think itās hypocritical to only care when the police act unjustly when the people of Baltimore are far more likely to have their rights trampled by their fellow citizens.
I think that many, not all, but many of the citizens of Baltimore are hypocrites. Many, not all, live off government assistance and do not actively try to better their situation. Many, not all, are violent towards each other and not many stand up against that violence.
Then Freedie Gray died in police custody. Now we have protests, which Iām all for. Anyone and everyone should protest when they feel there is an injustice. However, the looting, the burning, the violence is just a bunch of assholes that do not care about their city (some are apparently from out town like you pointed out). Theyāre just taking advantage of the unrest. They have no desire to make any real change. [/quote]
The looting and violence have nothing to do with protest. Thatās just assholes taking an advantage of a situation to loot, steal and act like the assholes they are.
On the other side, I saw plenty of decent people try and stop those fuckers. And all those cocksuckers should be arrested and charged with felonies. Because they are all felons.
They donāt know or care who Freddy Gray is or was, nor do they care what happened. They wanted to steal and destroy.
Letās also not make the mistake of think Freddy Gray was a choir boy either. He was a known drug dealer with warrants. But last time I checked, being a drug dealer didnāt carry the death penalty. And thatās the problem.
[quote]NorCal916 wrote:
I foresee in the future that ALL public activity will be monitored and recorded. They will use security or what not for reasoning. Private property will be your only safe haven.
Agree or disagree?[/quote]
I agree thatās the way itās headed. I disagree thatās the way it should be.
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]pat wrote:
[quote]NorCal916 wrote:
^ like an Obummer Civilian Force?
Dunno there. Thatās why we have an AG[/quote]
An elected body, perhaps of lawyers and those who know the law probably wouldnāt be bad. And not a federal force. There should be one over seeing each city, county and state police. Or at least a state body who reviews all cases.[/quote]
Isnāt that what the Attorney Generalās office is supposed to be doing already?[/quote]
If it is, they are failing miserably. Besides, the AG counts on police reports and accounts to make their case. Hardly reliable when itās the police you are investigating.