Zach telander recently did a couple of good podcasts on rippitoe. I have never read any of his work, but based on the excerpts of rippitoe’s podcast Zach played, rippitoe sounds like an arsehole
On a related tangent
I’ve always found the halo effect strange.
In my mind, I’ve always thought that the ppl at the top have to put so much focus on getting to the top that they neglect other things.
Bret Contreras is another good example 
The thing is that I don’t want or consider creators, especially the ones I like, to be my enemy. That’s not to say we need to share political views, personalities, favorite colors, or whatever else. I shouldn’t have to think about those things.
A lot of women won’t give him the time of day (and understandably so). For example, a lot of his older works feature phrases like “North of Vag.” He used to very much have a “man up!” kind of attitude, which isn’t necessarily “wrong,” but lacks awareness that there are more savory ways to distinguish between mature and immature or hard work and laziness. The sad thing is that I only feel like he toned down this language in recent years because he started helping out at the high school.
Much of what people said/did 30-40 years ago would be considered politically incorrect today for sure lol
I think it’s a bigger obstacle for me to separate the two from each other when I have seen the creator in person, as the distance feels smaller.
And that’s why I sometimes feel so conflicted when I realize I have given some of these people more than a dollar or two. For example, if I only rent the author’s book from the library, it doesn’t feel so weird.
And as a result, we praise people for doing the absolute bare minimum – not being a misogynist, racist, or whatever else. Or at least not publicly showing it. Like, if you have those opinions, can’t you at least keep them to yourself and not act upon them? I don’t feel like it’s too much to ask.
There is always the option to not think about these things.
I know you know this but people are multi-faceted. My mum is massively homophobic, does that mean I’m not allowed to like her apple crumble?
No. But it might be bother someone else enough that they couldn’t.
Next time you have it, tell her “damn mum, that crumble is almost as good as some hot gay sex”.
Can I give this multiple hearts please.
I don’t want to lie to my mum.
She lies to you all the time, mate. I am your real dad.
Right, but my post was in response to the phrase “I shouldn’t have to think about these things” to which my answer is “you don’t”.
I agree with pretty much all of what you said here, which is also why I try to refrain from getting into discussions with a lot of my old classmates down in Texas on Facebook, since their feeds are pretty much a constant stream of racist, sexist, anti-anything that might be considered in any way liberal rhetoric. I have a child who is LGBTQ+ who is not out to any of my extended family down there because, with the exception of my Mom, they would all at worst completely disown them, or at best express a ‘love the sinner but not the sin’ opinion, which tbh isn’t any better when you’re on the receiving end of it.
One think I’ll offer on this comment, is that even if he’s toning down his language/rhetoric for a completely selfish reason, that’s still progress, and I do still believe that it’s possible for everyone to grow and change. This could actually be a ‘fake it until you make it’ scenario where acting better could actually help him develop the empathy he’s only parroting to start with? Maybe? Or maybe I give too much benefit of the doubt.
@OTHSteve I’m here in texas and you aren’t kidding. We are absolutely surrounded by that. Its insane.
I don’t like to play the victim, but this unfortunately is not an option in many situations outside of the home. For example, I love meeting artists after shows. But I have witnessed artists prey on my friends only a few feet away from me. Words are easier to ignore, but people act on these shitty motives all the time. There is enough evidence of this behavior in creative industries, and there is always part of me that remains on guard when simply interacting in person with another human being whose art I like.
I’m white and heterosexual, so I don’t have to think about my skin color or sexuality before I go out in public. Social media and Internet forums – Mark’s forum, for example – polarize people and can spur them to act out in the real world.
I know it’s a leap from words in a book or online to real world action. Reading that yesterday simply culminated my frustrations all-around. Regarding people like Rippetoe, I at the very least still feel sorry for any women and girls close to the men who hide beyond their keyboards and perpetuate these disgusting attitudes.
I know you or someone else is probably thinking “then stay home and continue to choose to be offended.” Really? I already know humanity sucks. The problem is that it isn’t a single person in an entire industry. It’s many of them.
That is the precisely why these things are frustrating.
While I don’t find Rippetoe’s content meaningful or useful, there are plenty of people out there who do. And a small portion of them are women. If someone and their content were trash, then I would not waste time deliberating. I wouldn’t have a reason to buy any of their stuff or attend events related to them. Maybe I’d react emotionally like I did yesterday, but that’s much easier to deal with than trying to overlook someone who shames others into buying into their sexist attitudes yet at the same time helps me in some way.
Please correct me if I’m wrong, but I don’t believe you’re homosexual. You’re not the target demographic.
My mom is racist, homophobic, and a bigot. While many of her opinions do not affect me directly, some of them do personally sting, and that is a big reason why I do not communicate with her.
That sounds difficult to say the least. I am sorry to read that.
I like to believe people can change for the better. But what about those artists who not only say things but have also abused and assaulted people just like me and maybe apologize after evidence unfolds? It’s a question many young people, especially women, have to ask. Many of my peers choose to dissociate from those creators, and I don’t think they’re entirely wrong in doing that.
I genuinely don’t believe what you’re saying is the case, though it’s a nice sentiment. It’s a tricky situation when the person has only ever said things and errs more on the side of harmless than harmful. I think I am more forgiving of men in the fitness industry, and I’m not proud to say that.
At least Jim seems like an angel compared to Mark, but again, I don’t think that warrants praise.
Essentially, this is a lot of built-up frustration with humanity. Not only regarding stuff like this but also with the pandemic and everything else going on. I prefer this stuff to not trickle into my hobbies, but yesterday it did and, yeah, so it goes.
I hear you on that. One of my talents has been to wait until people mouths stop moving then just do what ever I was doing anyways, but with this seemingly constant barrage of sociopolitical gobletygook from all sides for such an extended period, I can feel my armor wearing thin.
I’ve been avoiding a lot of things I used to enjoy. I can’t imagine what kind of hell might transpire if somebody interrupts the tranquility of drifting a fly to talk about some contemporary social issue.
I keep thinking of the scene from John Wick Chapter 2, but modified. “He keeld three men with a f@ckin fly rod. Who does that?”.
Please don’t think I’m excusing bad word or actions. As an old white heterosexual male in the United States, I’m a member of the most privileged demographic in the world, but bigotry in all forms drives me crazy, but homophobia and misogyny/sexual violence are particular anger buttons for me because of things I’ve seen happen, along with the racism reckoning that’s currently being pushed back against.
I had a pretty heated conversation with someone on Facebook a month or so ago (like I said, I try to avoid this, but I’m not always successful) where he was trying to claim that sexual assault statistics were BS and it was more often women entrapping men to get them in trouble because they regretted a consensual encounter. His argument was that he didn’t know any women who had been sexually assaulted, and I explained to him that what he was really saying was that he didn’t know any women who trusted him enough to confide such a personal thing to him. Trivializing the harm of something because you haven’t been personally subjected to it shows a lack of empathy that I have a hard time empathizing with…
Is it too late to ask what exactly Rip did this time?
Sorry, that seemed like I was putting words in your mouth. I didn’t think that. I sorta half-replied to you, half-rambled to myself there.
I do think that my continuing to follow Jim’s programs is close enough to giving him the benefit of the doubt, though.
I wonder where that guy pulled an arbitrary time like 10 weeks from, or if he realizes that’s an improper use of the word distend.
Well, that right there is some batshit insanity. And not too far off from the opinion of my Facebook ‘friend’, sadly.
Wow, that is some deep Incel bullshit
Wow, holy crap.
