Bad Ideas

Training
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I really think MP’s spend more time seeing who is riding a bicycle without a helmet or setting a speed trap or quite possibly figuring out how to steal things from people while appearing to be protecting them. Sorry but I have a severe distaste for Military Police. 15 years working with the military could do that to you.

They do get some pretty good training and I would agree that Snipers don’t spend a lot of time on the pistol. You really need a certain billet or job description to get pistol qualified. I was lucky enough to get qualled on time when in the Corps.

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I gotta introduce you to my brother sometime, you assholes would be best buds lol

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[quote]Melvin Smiley wrote:
I gotta introduce you to my brother sometime, you assholes would be best buds lol[/quote]

is he a MP? lol

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Unless things have changes the pistol is considered an MP’s primary weapon, not the M4 however MPs need to qualify every 6 months with the M4 vs every year. MPs can get cool training like going to SRT school, even if they aren’t SRT.

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[quote]Ranzo wrote:

[quote]Melvin Smiley wrote:
I gotta introduce you to my brother sometime, you assholes would be best buds lol[/quote]

is he a MP? lol [/quote]

No, but he feels about the same way about them that you do. “Not real soldiers, not even real cops” or something like that lol

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[quote]Melvin Smiley wrote:

[quote]Ranzo wrote:

[quote]Melvin Smiley wrote:
I gotta introduce you to my brother sometime, you assholes would be best buds lol[/quote]

is he a MP? lol [/quote]

No, but he feels about the same way about them that you do. “Not real soldiers, not even real cops” or something like that lol[/quote]

I like it…

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At MP school I was told that no one likes MPs except other MPs. I was also told by a supply sgt that MPs are the best thieves.

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[quote]zecarlo wrote:
At MP school I was told that no one likes MPs except other MPs. I was also told by a supply sgt that MPs are the best thieves. [/quote]

Were you attending MP school or just visiting?

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[quote]zecarlo wrote:
At MP school I was told that no one likes MPs except other MPs. I was also told by a supply sgt that MPs are the best thieves. [/quote]

Secondhand I’ve heard they break pistols more than anyone should, but armorers gossip. No one steals from the armory except the armorer, so unable to confirm or deny their acquisitions aptitude.

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Well since this has derailed into a MP thread…

There was some trouble back in the day in Camp Lejune. Lejune has a storage lot for vehicles when you are deployed. It is controlled and guarded by PMO or the MP’s . The idea is that when you get deployed this lot gives you a protected place to store your vehicle as opposed to leaving it at the airport or your barracks or wherever.

As you have already guessed the MP’s were stealing things from peoples cars like stereo’s, wheels, money anything and everything. Way to go MP’s!!!

Most Marine MP’s I met were actually pretty decent though. Now the Air Force, Security Forces as they call them. They are a bunch of limp dick assholes. I never ever met one that was not a complete prick and I worked on more than one Air base over a 10 year period.

As I type this I remember a buddy I had who was a Stitch Bitch and hated it. He Lat moved into being a Cop, he is a genuine good guy but I wonder how the other shitty cocks have rubbed off on him now.

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[quote]WN76 wrote:

[quote]zecarlo wrote:
At MP school I was told that no one likes MPs except other MPs. I was also told by a supply sgt that MPs are the best thieves. [/quote]

Were you attending MP school or just visiting?[/quote]
Attending. It was a former Ranger who was working range control. He also told us a story about fighting with a dozen or so MPs and the effectiveness of the baton.

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[quote]zecarlo wrote:

[quote]WN76 wrote:

[quote]zecarlo wrote:
At MP school I was told that no one likes MPs except other MPs. I was also told by a supply sgt that MPs are the best thieves. [/quote]

Were you attending MP school or just visiting?[/quote]
Attending. It was a former Ranger who was working range control. He also told us a story about fighting with a dozen or so MPs and the effectiveness of the baton. [/quote]

How did that story go? I hope it wasn’t “I took on 12 MPs who were hitting me with batons” because if that’s the case, then it’s only a story lol.

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[quote]WN76 wrote:

[quote]zecarlo wrote:

[quote]WN76 wrote:

[quote]zecarlo wrote:
At MP school I was told that no one likes MPs except other MPs. I was also told by a supply sgt that MPs are the best thieves. [/quote]

Were you attending MP school or just visiting?[/quote]
Attending. It was a former Ranger who was working range control. He also told us a story about fighting with a dozen or so MPs and the effectiveness of the baton. [/quote]

How did that story go? I hope it wasn’t “I took on 12 MPs who were hitting me with batons” because if that’s the case, then it’s only a story lol. [/quote]
As best as I can remember he was at a bar, drunk, and at some point, I can’t recall what precipitated it, a couple of MPs showed up and they got into a fight. More MPs showed up and he said he was holding his own against them (which might not be that hard to believe if you saw most MPs). He said that there were more than a dozen MPs at one point and then the last MP to show up just came up behind him and smacked him in his head with a baton. The morals of the story were, for MPs, to not underestimate the effectiveness of the baton (and no one likes MPs) and for non-MPs to keep in mind that it might not be the first, second or third MP that shows up who gets you but the last one who shows up.

An old veteran told me that in his day they just ran when they heard the MPs were coming because back then they would just shoot you.

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[quote]zecarlo wrote:

[quote]WN76 wrote:

[quote]zecarlo wrote:

[quote]WN76 wrote:

[quote]zecarlo wrote:
At MP school I was told that no one likes MPs except other MPs. I was also told by a supply sgt that MPs are the best thieves. [/quote]

Were you attending MP school or just visiting?[/quote]
Attending. It was a former Ranger who was working range control. He also told us a story about fighting with a dozen or so MPs and the effectiveness of the baton. [/quote]

How did that story go? I hope it wasn’t “I took on 12 MPs who were hitting me with batons” because if that’s the case, then it’s only a story lol. [/quote]
As best as I can remember he was at a bar, drunk, and at some point, I can’t recall what precipitated it, a couple of MPs showed up and they got into a fight. More MPs showed up and he said he was holding his own against them (which might not be that hard to believe if you saw most MPs). He said that there were more than a dozen MPs at one point and then the last MP to show up just came up behind him and smacked him in his head with a baton. The morals of the story were, for MPs, to not underestimate the effectiveness of the baton (and no one likes MPs) and for non-MPs to keep in mind that it might not be the first, second or third MP that shows up who gets you but the last one who shows up.

An old veteran told me that in his day they just ran when they heard the MPs were coming because back then they would just shoot you. [/quote]

Oh, I see. Yea, the baton to the head is a no-no lol.

I’ve never met an American MP, so I have no idea what kind of physical shape they’re in. Unfortunately, physical fitness isn’t what it should be in most police organizations.

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Honestly, your skill set as an MP has a lot to do with where you serve. I was an Army MP for 7 years. When I was in Korea, we focused almost exclusively on our combat related tasks. I was also on an SRT for 7 months over there, so we were given lots of excellent training by the local Special Forces detachment. The training we received there was no different than any othe soldier’s, so I fail to see how the “not real soldiers” label applies. I know I was on the same level as the Infantry folks at PLDC, which was proven by the fact that they adopted me for the entire class.

Once I got to Fort Hood, it was a very active base, open post at the time, and had over 200,000 people on base. I learned plenty about police work there, both as a patrolman and an investigator for the post MPI Office. I worked every case you can name, with the exception of a legitimate kidnapping, to include homicides. Is that real enough police work ??

While on that subject, what exactly does “a real police officer” do that an MP does not? Did I have a pistol? Check. Could I arrest people? Check. Did I respond to reports of crime? Check.

Hmmmm…sounds real enough. I can tell you that I work for one of the 5 largest cities in Texas as an officer now, have been for 15 years. Don’t see much difference, except that soldiers don’t have to post bail if arrested on base.

Anyway…that was my experience. I admittedly worked around a lot of knuckleheads, because the Army doesn’t do a ton of background checking on MP’s. But, I work around some knuckleheads now, too. No process is infallible.

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[quote]mapwhap wrote:
Honestly, your skill set as an MP has a lot to do with where you serve. I was an Army MP for 7 years. When I was in Korea, we focused almost exclusively on our combat related tasks. I was also on an SRT for 7 months over there, so we were given lots of excellent training by the local Special Forces detachment. The training we received there was no different than any othe soldier’s, so I fail to see how the “not real soldiers” label applies. I know I was on the same level as the Infantry folks at PLDC, which was proven by the fact that they adopted me for the entire class.

Once I got to Fort Hood, it was a very active base, open post at the time, and had over 200,000 people on base. I learned plenty about police work there, both as a patrolman and an investigator for the post MPI Office. I worked every case you can name, with the exception of a legitimate kidnapping, to include homicides. Is that real enough police work ??

While on that subject, what exactly does “a real police officer” do that an MP does not? Did I have a pistol? Check. Could I arrest people? Check. Did I respond to reports of crime? Check.

Hmmmm…sounds real enough. I can tell you that I work for one of the 5 largest cities in Texas as an officer now, have been for 15 years. Don’t see much difference, except that soldiers don’t have to post bail if arrested on base.

Anyway…that was my experience. I admittedly worked around a lot of knuckleheads, because the Army doesn’t do a ton of background checking on MP’s. But, I work around some knuckleheads now, too. No process is infallible.[/quote]

Good post and I especially like your summation. I am currently involved with
a assignment/detail,comprised of Army MPI and AFOSI. I have been lucky, all are serious about the job,with a professional work ethic. As far as Knuckleheads, I have certainly been around my share, both civilian and military. It always a crap shoot on who you are going to be working around.

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[quote]mapwhap wrote:
Honestly, your skill set as an MP has a lot to do with where you serve. I was an Army MP for 7 years. When I was in Korea, we focused almost exclusively on our combat related tasks. I was also on an SRT for 7 months over there, so we were given lots of excellent training by the local Special Forces detachment. The training we received there was no different than any othe soldier’s, so I fail to see how the “not real soldiers” label applies. I know I was on the same level as the Infantry folks at PLDC, which was proven by the fact that they adopted me for the entire class.

Once I got to Fort Hood, it was a very active base, open post at the time, and had over 200,000 people on base. I learned plenty about police work there, both as a patrolman and an investigator for the post MPI Office. I worked every case you can name, with the exception of a legitimate kidnapping, to include homicides. Is that real enough police work ??

While on that subject, what exactly does “a real police officer” do that an MP does not? Did I have a pistol? Check. Could I arrest people? Check. Did I respond to reports of crime? Check.

Hmmmm…sounds real enough. I can tell you that I work for one of the 5 largest cities in Texas as an officer now, have been for 15 years. Don’t see much difference, except that soldiers don’t have to post bail if arrested on base.

Anyway…that was my experience. I admittedly worked around a lot of knuckleheads, because the Army doesn’t do a ton of background checking on MP’s. But, I work around some knuckleheads now, too. No process is infallible.[/quote]

Great insight from someone who has actually done the job. There are good and bad in every walk of life. As a MP of policeman you can have a big effect on peoples lives with the power you are given. Unfortunately my experience has been bad with the Security Forces. Mostly my experience around the Airforce in General was not that great. Being a former Marine and watching the Airforce in action after 9/11 was scary. I never seen people so serious about doing something wrong in my whole lift

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Yup,

Start a funny thread and it goes serious.

As an aside, is there any chance of the success of Lee Child’s Reacher novels turning MP into the next “cool” specialty. Will I run into more MP’s than Tactical Blood Ninja Delta Seal Snipers at gunshops/shows from now on?

[quote]mapwhap wrote:
Is that real enough police work ??

While on that subject, what exactly does “a real police officer” do that an MP does not?

[/quote]

Mostly in the interest of comedy:

Maybe:

Higher issues with blood born pathogens/Hep C issues with arrestees now?

Not big enough tranny to regular hooker ratio in the military?

Since you can’t bitch about the militarization of the military police it doesn’t count?

Just spit balling…

More serious:

Thank you for your service in general, and for the excellent post.

Regards,

Robert A

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^^

In regards to Jack Reacher…I have been reading that series of novels since they first came out (some time around 97, I think)…and I think that in spite of the great character, the Military Police MOS will NEVER be cool. LOL

That whole series fascinates me, because it is so successful in spite of some glaring inaccuarcies. The main one is that Jack is a retired Major…which is all well and good…except that anyone that has ever served a day in the Army knows that commissioned officers in the Military Police branch do virtually NO law enforcement work of any kind. The vast majority is conducted by enlisted personnel…E1’s through E7’s. Commissioned officers rarely do more than act as the Duty OIfficer for a night, or may at some point take on the role of Provost Marshal…which is essentially the military term for the Chief of Police. Even CID agents are either enlisted personnel or warrant officers. So, the whole concept of Jack being a major is kind of silly.

That being said, as far as the novels themselves go, they are very entertaining. I still vehemently disagree with Tom Cruise being cast in the movie, but I had no say in the matter, so what difference does it make?

And, just on an aside note…while I doubt you will see a LOT of these types at gunshows, I knew two MP’s in my career who went on to bigger and better things…one went Special Forces, and the other got selected by Delta…so they are out there…

And you’d be surprised at the number of closet trannys in the military…hahahahahahahaha

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In the interest of comedy: I have read every Jack Reacher novel to date, but, I will have a hard time buying any in the future. How the hell do you kill that many people and never do any paperwork or get arrested? Lee Child is getting too far out there. I dont remember the title, but, I started getting burned out on the one about the Nebraska farm cult.

Tom Cruise as Jack Reacher? LOL…that is just so wrong.

“Tactical Blood Ninja Delta Seal Snipers at gunshops/shows from now on?” LOL…Robert, you have a poet’s heart…