[quote]Will207 wrote:
There’s a series on Netflix called “Inside Combat Rescue” and it’s about US Air Force Pararescuemen in Afghanistan. I watched the whole season from start to finish one afternoon. I highly recommend it.[/quote]
Thank you. I will check it out when I am on leave.
[quote]Robert A wrote:
The Good:
Deputy Erick Gelhaus has been no billed for his shooting of the 13 year old with the mock/airsoft AK pattern rifle.
News Artilce:
[quote]From link above:
Instead, the report by the district attorney’s office described the use of lethal force in October as “a reasonable response,” because the officer “honestly and reasonably” believed he was in danger.
“The law provides for a complete defense of anyone who defends himself or others,” District Attorney Jill Ravitch said at an afternoon news conference in Santa Rosa while several dozen protesters dismayed by the findings converged outside
According to the report, Gelhaus was on a shift with a deputy in training, Michael Schemmel, in a patrol vehicle when the pair saw Andy from the back, the replica AK-47 at his side. Schemmel pulled over and “blipped” the siren while Gelhaus jumped out of the car and called out to drop the weapon. Instead, Andy turned while raising his arm that held the plastic weapon.
Gelhaus fired eight times at the boy and hit him with all but one shot, the investigation found. Gelhaus was 67 feet away when he fired at Andy, who was 5-foot-2 and weighed 135 pounds. The entire incident took less than 20 seconds.
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link also contains the following gems
[quote]
Gelhaus “took a life. There has to be punishment for that,” said Guillermo Ortiz, 19, who said he had known the victim. “There was nothing to lead anyone to believe that Andy was pointing a gun at him.”[/quote]
True enough Guilllermo. Nothing except the AK lookin’ pellet gun he was carrying around.
and
[quote]
“This was a decision to condone the increasing militarization of the police,” said Jonathan Melrod, a demonstration organizer and founder of the Justice Coalition for Andy Lopez.[/quote]
Yup, militarization. Before that no cop would have ever thought to fire upon someone who appeared to be pointing a gun at them.
Never
Happened
Before
I believe this attaches immunity from personal civil liability for the deputy, though I am sure the civil trial is still going to be hell.
There is talk of Fed/Civil Rights Violations.
And yes in case anyone is wondering it is that Erick Gelhaus. The Gunsite Instructor.
Link:
http://www.gunsite.com/about_us_instructors.html
Regards,
Robert A[/quote]
Now, the feeding frenzy will start, between the civil attorneys, media, and the ACLU, his life is going to be hell for about the next 3 years.
[quote]Robert A wrote:
The Ugly?
Chengdu police attract new recruits with badass posters and promises of crossbows
I just…
But…
Click the link.
So, idaho, I notice a disturbing lack of rope in your photos. Do you feel this puts you behind the 80’s action movie prop power curve?
Mapwhap,
Will you be pulling your guys in for remedial cross bow/ninja chick training?
Regards,
Robert A[/quote]
Well, I do have about 50 feet of steel cable on a bumper mounted winch, does that count? or some paracord? I know, I know, I have failed the action hero test.
On a personal note: As a life long traditional archer, I am highly offended seeing that crossbow and snarly look. You would think with his genealogy, he would at least have a severe static tipped Asiatic horse bow, with a quiver made from tanned Yak hide. Wimp. You going to kill someone with an arrow, at least, man up and use a real bow.
Policing with PROC: Well, they certainly dont have to deal with the ACLU, civilian review boards, or the media.However, most disciplinary actions againist officers, is probably one shot to the back of the head.
Most bizarre recruiting theme , I have ever seen. But its a classic:))
[quote]Robert A wrote:
The Bad, Actually potentially the really, really bad.
Forgotten Vials of Smallpox Found in Storage Room
[quote]From the link:
Government workers cleaning out an old storage room at a research center near Washington made a startling discovery last week - decades-old vials of smallpox packed away and forgotten in a cardboard box.
The six glass vials of freeze-dried virus were intact and sealed with melted glass, and the virus may well have been dead, because it wasn’t kept cold over the years, officials at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said Tuesday.
[/quote]
If true this is mind boggling. I know research facilities/universities tend to have “black hole” storage rooms, but not for fucking smallpox. I am posting this in this thread because smallpox isn’t just a National security issue, it is an International security issue. If one of the teams tasked with transporting nuclear warheads around the country decided to take a break, stop at Hooters for some wings and fried pickles, and got so drunk they forgot where they parked the canned sunshine that wouldn’t have the same potential to go wrong as letting fucking small pox just hang out in a storage room.
Regards,
Robert A[/quote]
Really , just one word describes this: UN-FUCKING-BELIEVABLE
As someone who still carries his Anthrax injector, information like this scares the hell out of me. So, what else is out there stuffed in some basement or storge room? Can you imagine if terrorists got access to an active strain of smallpox? Just unreal.
[quote]idaho wrote:
Now, the feeding frenzy will start, between the civil attorneys, media, and the ACLU, his life is going to be hell for about the next 3 years.
[/quote]
I am really hoping that shit stalls out. This case has to be a dog.
Replica “Evil Black Rifle” in a state where the presumption is that simply possessing an AK pattern rifle is criminal.(This might be different in PA, where there is no active AWB.)
Area where they find spent 7.62x39mm cases and AK mags at shootings
Witnesses(two of which are sworn LEO’s)
Shooter was a fucking Gunsite instructor. He has probably logged more time teaching how to evaluate potential threats than any expert that could be drummed up against him. I also doubt he is in the “freaks out that anyone but the police could have a gun” class of officer if he is a Gunsite.
I believe it was a shit sandwich, but not an actionable one. In essence, the deputy was wrong, for the right reasons. The 13 year old basically dressed himself in a “Needs to be shot costume” that was so good it fooled folks.
I hope the deputy can handle the second guessing I am sure he has been doing.
I really hope some how rationality wins out and no one tries to make a monster out of someone who can’t even really be said to have made a mistake. He did things “right” and ended up with the wrong conclusion. I am at least somewhat heartened that the DA decided to do her fucking job and not try to charge him for political reasons.
Regards,
Robert A
[quote]idaho wrote:
[quote]Robert A wrote:
The Bad, Actually potentially the really, really bad.
Forgotten Vials of Smallpox Found in Storage Room
[quote]From the link:
Government workers cleaning out an old storage room at a research center near Washington made a startling discovery last week - decades-old vials of smallpox packed away and forgotten in a cardboard box.
The six glass vials of freeze-dried virus were intact and sealed with melted glass, and the virus may well have been dead, because it wasn’t kept cold over the years, officials at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said Tuesday.
[/quote]
If true this is mind boggling. I know research facilities/universities tend to have “black hole” storage rooms, but not for fucking smallpox. I am posting this in this thread because smallpox isn’t just a National security issue, it is an International security issue. If one of the teams tasked with transporting nuclear warheads around the country decided to take a break, stop at Hooters for some wings and fried pickles, and got so drunk they forgot where they parked the canned sunshine that wouldn’t have the same potential to go wrong as letting fucking small pox just hang out in a storage room.
Regards,
Robert A[/quote]
Really , just one word describes this: UN-FUCKING-BELIEVABLE
As someone who still carries his Anthrax injector, information like this scares the hell out of me. So, what else is out there stuffed in some basement or storge room? Can you imagine if terrorists got access to an active strain of smallpox? Just unreal.
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Doesn’t even have to have an element of malice.
Interns/janitors break vial never knowing what it is. They mingle with other staff. One of them has to travel for holiday/family event and has a layover or two at large airports. Some of the folks at the airport are going to conferences, or big ass sporting events. All of them are "going to see a/their doctor about the rash “when I get home”. The researchers/doctors at the NIH would know what was happening, but random store room has random staff.
Fissile material requires some very, very specific engineering and actions be taken in order to make a crater, and even then you only get one.
A bunch of calories have to be spent in order to effectively disperse chemical weapons in a manor that does more than kill a couple rooms, or building at the most, in a horrific and expensive to clean up manner.
It is the spores of anthrax bacteria that are infectious, so you don’t “get” anthrax from someone who has it you get it becuase you inhaled the spores. For the most part it is a very scary, but containable, single episode of infection. The “dangerous” spores basically just sit somewhere doing nothing until inhaled.
Smallpox is a virus that is usually spread person to person via inhalation of aerosolized body fluids. In other words that sweaty,coughing mother fucker in the corner. I think there have been proven cases of transmission via fomite(inanimate object, door handles, bedding, ect.) as well. It is considered highly contagious.
Side note: When you wrote Anthrax injector do you mean Atropineinjector? Like a atropine and pralidoxime auto injector for nerve agents/organophosphate exposure?
I know there is a vaccine for anthrax that may or may not be awesome. I remember reading about more aggressive combined antibiotic and anti-toxin protocols for treatment, but I am drawing a blank at where a rapid/auto injector falls into play.
Regards,
Robert A
[quote]mapwhap wrote:
Remedial?!?!?! What makes you think they don’t train with crossbows already???
And we have hundreds of yards of white rope…as an avid fan of the tv show SWAT from the 1970’s, I think it’s painfully obvious that any tactical unit worth its salt has coils upon coils of white rope.
That allows us to not only train in “badass ninja chick”, but more importantly, in Badass Ninja Chic!! (Ahhhh…see what I did there?)[/quote]
Awesome. I was truly laughing out loud.
That is the internet for today folks. Thank you for your submissions, but mapwhap won.
Also:
Part of the legend is that the S.W.A.T. tv show used M-16’s because the producers thought shotguns were too scary and aggressive.
I am more of an ADAM 12 fan.
COILED ROPE!,
Robert A
[quote]Robert A wrote:
[quote]idaho wrote:
[quote]Robert A wrote:
The Bad, Actually potentially the really, really bad.
Forgotten Vials of Smallpox Found in Storage Room
[quote]From the link:
Government workers cleaning out an old storage room at a research center near Washington made a startling discovery last week - decades-old vials of smallpox packed away and forgotten in a cardboard box.
The six glass vials of freeze-dried virus were intact and sealed with melted glass, and the virus may well have been dead, because it wasn’t kept cold over the years, officials at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said Tuesday.
[/quote]
If true this is mind boggling. I know research facilities/universities tend to have “black hole” storage rooms, but not for fucking smallpox. I am posting this in this thread because smallpox isn’t just a National security issue, it is an International security issue. If one of the teams tasked with transporting nuclear warheads around the country decided to take a break, stop at Hooters for some wings and fried pickles, and got so drunk they forgot where they parked the canned sunshine that wouldn’t have the same potential to go wrong as letting fucking small pox just hang out in a storage room.
Regards,
Robert A[/quote]
Really , just one word describes this: UN-FUCKING-BELIEVABLE
As someone who still carries his Anthrax injector, information like this scares the hell out of me. So, what else is out there stuffed in some basement or storge room? Can you imagine if terrorists got access to an active strain of smallpox? Just unreal.
[/quote]
Doesn’t even have to have an element of malice.
Interns/janitors break vial never knowing what it is. They mingle with other staff. One of them has to travel for holiday/family event and has a layover or two at large airports. Some of the folks at the airport are going to conferences, or big ass sporting events. All of them are "going to see a/their doctor about the rash “when I get home”. The researchers/doctors at the NIH would know what was happening, but random store room has random staff.
Fissile material requires some very, very specific engineering and actions be taken in order to make a crater, and even then you only get one.
A bunch of calories have to be spent in order to effectively disperse chemical weapons in a manor that does more than kill a couple rooms, or building at the most, in a horrific and expensive to clean up manner.
It is the spores of anthrax bacteria that are infectious, so you don’t “get” anthrax from someone who has it you get it becuase you inhaled the spores. For the most part it is a very scary, but containable, single episode of infection. The “dangerous” spores basically just sit somewhere doing nothing until inhaled.
Smallpox is a virus that is usually spread person to person via inhalation of aerosolized body fluids. In other words that sweaty,coughing mother fucker in the corner. I think there have been proven cases of transmission via fomite(inanimate object, door handles, bedding, ect.) as well. It is considered highly contagious.
Side note: When you wrote Anthrax injector do you mean Atropineinjector? Like a atropine and pralidoxime auto injector for nerve agents/organophosphate exposure?
I know there is a vaccine for anthrax that may or may not be awesome. I remember reading about more aggressive combined antibiotic and anti-toxin protocols for treatment, but I am drawing a blank at where a rapid/auto injector falls into play.
Regards,
Robert A [/quote]
Yes, I apologize, you are correct. “Anthrax Injector” is a slang term we used in Iraq, I should have used the correct description.
I remember when the H1N1 virus was at its peak and I got off the the plane at Kuwait International, and there were a dozen nurses outfitted in partial protective gear, putting a probe on your forehead checking your temp. Damn, good thing I didnt have a fever for anything, because, they were putting you in isolation. Dont really know what they did with you after that. I remember thinking, this was just a small taste of what a prolonged bio attack would cause.
For fiction: Tom Clancy wrote a book titled " EXECUTIVE ORDERS",(1996) where Iranian terrorists used an Ebola attack againist the US. The method of delivery and the places they attacked are thought provoking.
^^
Executive Orders was pretty darn good. Scary, honestly.
That was back when Clancy was writing decent stuff. Pre-divorce. After that, his books went to crap.
[quote]mapwhap wrote:
^^
Executive Orders was pretty darn good. Scary, honestly.
That was back when Clancy was writing decent stuff. Pre-divorce. After that, his books went to crap.[/quote]
Now that you mention it wiki indicates his split happened in 1995/1996, and his divorce was filed in '97 and a finalized in '99(followed by an immediate marriage to another woman). That time line does seem to fit with my seemingly abrupt end to enjoying his works.
It is hard to believe The Bear and the Dragon was written by the same man as Red Storm Rising.
Regards,
Robert A
RE: Injectors
No need to apologize. Though I would hate for the slang to make anyone use the wrong protocol as I don’t think the injector is going to do you any good for the “face full of scary white powder” type exposure.
RE: H1N1
They would hopefully get you someplace with your own toilet and a good sink. H1N1 was mostly “just another flu” in terms of effect. The big scare was that it was similar enough to “Spanish Flu” that some folks were worried about it being a few mutations away from being an economy destroyer.
“Spanish Flu” was a different animal, err virus. “Regular flu” deaths tend to occur in pediatric, elderly, or otherwise compromised patients because they are the least capable of dealing with the respiratory stresses, dehydration, fever, ect. The Spanish/Pandemic flu could cause an acute over-reaction of the immune system and kill very rapidly, this reaction was more likely in young, healthy adults. So the back bones of the job force, home, government, military, ect. were more at risk of death.
Don’t worry, scientists have recently managed to “re-create” the Spanish Flu bug for reasons, or some shit. I think the excuse was “We need to study it, so we can treat it.” Well I hope they get on that because they basically tried to wake fucking Cthulu.
Ia! Ia! Cthulu Fthagn!
Regards,
Robert A
In regards to the Spanish Flu: reminds me of the theory of why we have not encountered any interstellar vistors; because weapons technology, and, I am including man made viruses here, out pace the growth in intelligence, so, the civilization ends up destroying itself before it can expand. Certainly fits us.
For Humor: I have worked out in a lot of different gyms, but, I have never encountered a sign quite like this one. Read the bottom line, how many gyms close for “Resting”…:)))
[quote]idaho wrote:
Well in keeping with our current conversation about waking Cthulu, I was informed yesterday to get a Polio booster, since there has been several reported cases here.
In regards to the Spanish Flu: reminds me of the theory of why we have not encountered any interstellar vistors; because weapons technology, and, I am including man made viruses here, out pace the growth in intelligence, so, the civilization ends up destroying itself before it can expand. Certainly fits us.
For Humor: I have worked out in a lot of different gyms, but, I have never encountered a sign quite like this one. Read the bottom line, how many gyms close for “Resting”…:))) [/quote]
You have had some interesting gym stories.
“Don’t kick the bag, you’ll wear it out.”
“Gym closed, we need to nap.”
Another, scarrier theory is that tech that would allow mapping and wormhole travel would also turn any military conflict into a “who presses the destroy galaxy button first” contest. This turns Star Trek into a high stakes game of battleship where everyone is trying to find/kill everyone else because the assumption is the risk of them doing it to you is too significant.
Two sort of alternative Sci-Fi short works
The Gift of Mercy
The Road Not Taken by Harry Turtledove
Regards,
Robert A
“Gym closed, we need to nap” LOL…that would have closer to the truth. Thanks for the SCI-FI suggestions, always looking for a good fix…
Robert,
(and anyone else who is a SCI-FI junkie)
While we are on the SCI-FI subject, I would highly recommend the Taskeshi Kovacs series from Richard. K. Morgan. I consider him to be one of the best of the modern day writers. I would also recommend reading them in order:
ALTERED CARBON
BROKEN ANGELS
WOKEN FURIES.
All contain mercenaries, wolf-splice genes for clone troops, cordial stacks, bio-imprinting mini AK-47’s, UN trained super soldiers, Yakuza planets, Muslims, Christians, corporate samurai, freak fighters, futuristic cops, and plenty of sex. What more could you want?:))
He has written several stand alone novels, all good, all different. I would also recommend reading: THIRTEEN, which centers around a select group of men breed with the “predator gene”.
This is just so bad on some many levels. unbelievable.
N.J. mayor blasts sidewalk memorial for cop-killer - CBS News
You know what this shows, Idaho? The kind of ignorant mentality that is destroying our country from within, right now.
Generations of people raised by the state, who then bite the very hand that feeds them, and have liberal apologists excusing their behavior away as a symptom, not a disease.
I often wonder if this is how Rome was in its final days.
You have no idea how often I seriously consider immigrating to another freakin country, just to get away from the madness that is so damn OBVIOUS to people with even a shred of intelligence.
This country has nothing to fear from outsiders…we are simply giving it away to those who would destroy it from within.
I hang my head in shame at what our country is slowly becoming.
[quote]mapwhap wrote:
You know what this shows, Idaho? The kind of ignorant mentality that is destroying our country from within, right now.
Generations of people raised by the state, who then bite the very hand that feeds them, and have liberal apologists excusing their behavior away as a symptom, not a disease.
I often wonder if this is how Rome was in its final days.
You have no idea how often I seriously consider immigrating to another freakin country, just to get away from the madness that is so damn OBVIOUS to people with even a shred of intelligence.
This country has nothing to fear from outsiders…we are simply giving it away to those who would destroy it from within.
I hang my head in shame at what our country is slowly becoming.
[/quote]
I am in 100% agreement with you. Everything you said is true. And yes, just like Rome in the end, we are governed by a Senate and Congress stuffed and bloated with corrupt and moronic politicians, caring only about feeding their greedy mouths with more taxpayer money. My disgust knows no limits when it comes to our “leaders”. We give billions of dollars away to savages who would kill us all the first chance they get while our own country is going broke. Damn them all to the deepest pit of hell.
As for our average citizen: If the Chinese Navy was sailing up the Hudson River, would they grab a gun or take a picture for FaceBook?
I join you in hanging my head in shame.
RE: The Shooting and aftermath
I really just see this as another data point of “us vs them” self identification. The only way I can understand the outpouring of mourning and certainly the “Should have killed/got more” sentiment is if those doing the pouring so identify with the shooter, and so very much consider the officer “other” that nothing the shooter did could be wrong.
In other words, “they” lost a person and the damage of ambushing a security guard with a knife, taking his gun, and then starting a shootout with the responding officers was something like a sci-fi shootout vs aliens.
This would be where someone smarter/better than me could insert a plea for unity, or bridge building, or some shit. Unfortunately, I am a guy with a gun-chimp avatar. The statements/sentiments of the mourners seem so very removed from my own that I don’t think I can build or cross that bridge. All I have is an “us vs them”, and the most devicive of all. I have the “good vs bad” reaction. Further more I take any suggestions that I am not fundamentally different than those throwing out support for the cop killer as a serious insult.
I will submit that “bad folk” have always been a problem. This is nothing new.
RE: The memorial
Looking at the pictures of the memorial for the cop killer, my first thought, and I am aware this makes me a bad person, is why the hell are all the offerings empty bottles? For fucking real. Leaving empty bottles of overpriced tequila is a sign of what? We had some fun without you? It’s like only leaving an empty sheath and a broken bow string at a viking funeral. What the actual fuck?
Also, what the hell does “THUG in Peace” mean?
RE: ROME
I need to know if you (mapwhap and idaho) are referencing the fall of the Republic or the fall of the Empire so I know exactly how much profanity to put in my next post.
Regards,
Robert A
While I am hardly a history expert, and I confess to not having full grasp of it, I am referencing the fall of the Republic of Rome. The empire was bound to fall eventually, as all empires do.
