Bad Ideas

[quote]Aussie Davo wrote:
For robert, w/r/t his earlier criticism of the “gross motor skills” hokey:

"?If you truly and fully believe Bruce Siddle?s theory that fine motor skills are impossible under high-stress conditions, we couldn?t produce effective fighter pilots. But, since we can train top performers to multi-task both fine and gross motor skills in a three-dimensional battle space at Mach Two with their hair on fire, the human machine can be conditioned to the stress, making any task possible,? - Dick Fairburn [/quote]

I like it. I have brought up the whole helicopters and planes argument in the past. With firearms it hits even higher levels of stupid, because by definition working the trigger is a fine motor skill. So if those won’t work, either a loaded or unloaded gun is going to be poor tool.

Regards,

Robert A

[quote]Will207 wrote:
The support from the public was astounding. I’m not RCMP or even in New Brunswick, but we received condolences and words of encouragement. I don’t think I saw one flag that wasn’t at half-mast. The silent majority appreciate the police who serve their communities.[/quote]

Don’t lose sight of that.

[quote]mapwhap wrote:
Robert,

Thank you for the link to Kathy Jackson. I was not familiar with her work prior to now. I like her summaries, and I think it’s the kind of thing everyone who is serious about defense needs to read and ingrain. I have sent the link to Mrs. Mapwhap as well, as she has recently started carrying a pistol herself.
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If she hasn’t read Cooper’s Principles of Personal Defense she should do so as well. Like I said before it is the other half of what I consider a primer. It is also very inexpensive and available on amazon.

It may sound weird but thank Mrs. Mapwhap for me. I fervently believe that a bad person with a gun is a bad thing, but a good person with a gun is a very good thing.

That is sort of born out by the recent Georgia shooting where the shitbird who killed Officer Kevin Jordan was stopped almost immediately by the officer’s brother, who wasn’t an LEO but did have a carry permit.

A lot of very bad things in the current news cycle. I will point out that there have also been some good news in the begining of this “long hot summer.”

Forsyth County, GA Courthouse shooting

http://www.wsbtv.com/news/news/deputy-shot-forsyth-co-courthouse/ngFsf/?LAGqbW

Synopsis:

Would be homicidal asshole stages frontal assault on courthouse.

Is immediately engaged by deputy who is wounded in leg.

SWAT team was en route to somewhere else and has a no bullshit 37 second response time.

Shitbird loses gunfight with SWAT and is no longer using oxygen.

AND

The fact a young student, soon to be married, was willing to stand and be counted on during the Seatle Pacific shooting.

Finally:
Considering everything I tend to advocate on this board I am curious as what counts as “too drastic”.

Regards,

Robert A

[quote]mapwhap wrote:
Robert,

Thank you for the link to Kathy Jackson. I was not familiar with her work prior to now. I like her summaries, and I think it’s the kind of thing everyone who is serious about defense needs to read and ingrain. I have sent the link to Mrs. Mapwhap as well, as she has recently started carrying a pistol herself.

Idaho,

Yes…it has been a VERY bad week for LEO’s. Going toe to toe with a bad guy is one thing…getting ambushed while you’re eating lunch is another entirely. Not much more I can say there without making comments that many would deem too drastic.

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IF they cannot handle your “drastic” comments, then they are not made for the combat forum. This is a forum that should be about truth. You just watch your 6…We used to have a saying: “Police shootings always came in three’s”. I dont think that street lore is true anymore.

It is sad when somebody is going to do a bitch move and shoot you at lunch. I could understand more, if there was some prior personal interaction between the officers and the crazy person but to just walk up and shoot someone is crazy.

I have been known to hate a Cop or two, no way you can do that job and not have haters. Just like in life you have good ones and bad ones etc… That being said this situation is beyond comprehension. I am really waiting for the person who has the balls to not kill themselves after doing something so stupid. I would be the first to come to an officers aid if possible.

[quote]Robert A wrote:

[quote]idaho wrote:
The officer on the left expresses everything…The motherfuckers stripped the dead officers of their weapons before they left the restaurant. May they roast in fucking hell for eternity. [/quote]

I can’t speak to bolded above, but they lived their last moments as failures, and I am fairly certain they knew it. Their statement of “Tell the police the revolution has started.” would be chilling, except there is no revolution, and they didn’t start shit.

Jerad and Amanda Miller were simply poor examples of humanity, not revolutionaries. They are not harbingers of sweeping forces, or indicative of anything but broken, useless individuals. They didn’t strike a blow for a cause. They lashed out and unfortunately took the lives of people far, far better than themselves. Killing those two officers and a Walmart greeter was a destructive act much more akin to a child who, unable or unwilling to create on his own, spends his time at the beach smashing other children’s sand castles than the first blow struck for a cause. They weren’t revolutionaries, and they didn’t start shit.

In the days and weeks to come I am sure we are going to read/find out about whatever passed for motivation to the couple. I don’t know if they will have self-identified as communist socialists, national socialists, anarchists, racial separatists, sovereign citizens or some disjointed combination of the above. I am confident that regardless of any claimed ethos they will just be sad, examples of what happens when people continuously draw the wrong conclusions from every fucking experience in their lives. They were and are nobody’s champions, they never were revolutionary, and they didn’t start shit.

The officers they killed amounted to something in their lives. They left behind children, families, and friends. They have legacies. They will be remembered by those that knew them, and even some who did not. All Jared and Amanda Miller could manage was to be the ones who took a little bit of goodness out of this world. Their crowning act was to affect a surprise attack on two police officers, perhaps not technically an ambush but close enough to one, and then nearly immediately get routed by a police response, cornered in a Walmart and kill themselves. They may have left behind a manifesto, or writings, or video of just how worthless they were, and it will be mocked (like Dorner’s pathetic diatribe, or Kazinski’s ramblings, or Elliot Rodger’s pathetic testaments). Jared and Amanda Miller will be remembered with the low grade disgust and hate that is appropriate for failed parasites. Their names will fade into the past. The grief caused by their actions will fade with time, the families of the fallen will rebuild, because they can, because they are strong enough. The memories of the fallen will remain and be treasured, but not the memories of the Millers. Because they weren’t revolutionaries and they didn’t start shit.

I am confident the Millers knew the above at the end. They didn’t seek the soap box a capture and trial would have given them. They didn’t speak to a grand plan, or big ideas. They didn’t face their own mortality like it was a means to an end. When reality, and a police response, was staring them in the face they removed themselves from the world, one last act of destruction. They were not acting like people trying to start a movement, or affect change. They were acting like the failures they were. They were not revolutionaries, and they didn’t start shit.

I sincerely hope that the families and loved ones of Officer Alyn Beck, Officer Igor Soldo, and the Walmart employee find the peace and healing they most certainly need. I hope that the time it takes for their memories to be of good times rather than this grief is short.

Train hard. Stay Safe.

Regards,

Robert A
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Robert,
Very elegantly written with insightful analysis. I guess, I should not have posted with such anger earlier, but, I am weary of either seeing or reading about good men/women dying in the line of duty. I have lost two in the last 3 weeks,and, that is going into a situation with eyes wide open, not shot in the back of the head by a coward.

Good Post. I will be the first to admit,I get locked in too tight every now and then. You post put things back in order.

[quote]Ranzo wrote:
It is sad when somebody is going to do a bitch move and shoot you at lunch. I could understand more, if there was some prior personal interaction between the officers and the crazy person but to just walk up and shoot someone is crazy.

I have been known to hate a Cop or two, no way you can do that job and not have haters. Just like in life you have good ones and bad ones etc… That being said this situation is beyond comprehension. I am really waiting for the person who has the balls to not kill themselves after doing something so stupid. I would be the first to come to an officers aid if possible.

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The New Brunswick shooter gave up once he was confronted by armed and ready-to-go officers.

http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2014/06/09/christie-blatchford-bourque-trying-to-lure-police-into-ambush-as-he-was-captured-officer-says/

[quote]Will207 wrote:

[quote]Ranzo wrote:
It is sad when somebody is going to do a bitch move and shoot you at lunch. I could understand more, if there was some prior personal interaction between the officers and the crazy person but to just walk up and shoot someone is crazy.

I have been known to hate a Cop or two, no way you can do that job and not have haters. Just like in life you have good ones and bad ones etc… That being said this situation is beyond comprehension. I am really waiting for the person who has the balls to not kill themselves after doing something so stupid. I would be the first to come to an officers aid if possible.

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The New Brunswick shooter gave up once he was confronted by armed and ready-to-go officers.

http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2014/06/09/christie-blatchford-bourque-trying-to-lure-police-into-ambush-as-he-was-captured-officer-says/

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There seems to be running theme with the kind of delusional fucktards who do this kind of thing. They fold up like cheap lawn chairs when they encounter resistance that breaks into there fairy tail reality. When that resistance is in the form of armed and purposeful aggression it is even more common. I will note that police are generally pretty capable of armed and purposeful aggression.

Regards,

Robert A

[quote]idaho wrote:

[quote]mapwhap wrote:
Idaho,

Yes…it has been a VERY bad week for LEO’s. Going toe to toe with a bad guy is one thing…getting ambushed while you’re eating lunch is another entirely. Not much more I can say there without making comments that many would deem too drastic.

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IF they cannot handle your “drastic” comments, then they are not made for the combat forum. This is a forum that should be about truth. You just watch your 6…We used to have a saying: “Police shootings always came in three’s”. I dont think that street lore is true anymore.
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No, no, no. It is all about feels, not reality. And why would anyone who is charged with hunting bad men have “drastic” views?

Mapwhap, stay safe.

Regards,

Robert A


In the excellent recovery thread, Robert stated the importance of carrying a good quality tourniquet for military and LEO’s. I could not agree more and suggest that forum members who do construction work, work with power tools, or simply spend a day on the firing range should always have at least two. I am no means a combat medic, but, I have been through enough Combat Casualty Courses to know how to apply them and do it fast. They can and will save your life.

The best in my opinion is the SOF Tactical Tourniquet.The best feature is the straps use a screw down locking jaw instead of velcro, which allows you to put in on TIGHT and lock it down. The windlass has a plastic triangle to lock it down also. No slippage. Now velcro and duck tape will cure most of the world’s ills, but, i dont like in on the straps for a tourniquet.


SOF Tourniquet


SOF tourniquet is easy to carry on your E-kit.

Ah yes…the SOF-T tourniquet…I have one on my tac vest for entries, one in my bail out bag, and one in a holder on my pistol belt. I don’t remember the name brand of the other tourniquet that a lot of cos carry these days, but I really like the SOF-T. With that metal windlass, you can turn that thing TIGHT!!

Now…as for the “drastic” comments I mentioned earlier…

When these sort of incidents occur, or similar incidents like the Boston bombing happen, I tend to revert to my very military side, and propose very pro-active hunting of bad guys…and killing them outright. So when I see a flat out cowardly act, like ambushing a pair of officers eating pizza and then claiming “the revolution has begun”, I tend to not only be happy that both bad guys died so quickly, but I want to hunt down others like them, and remove their sickness from the face of the earth. No questions asked…you’ve lost your right to live due to violations of the “human code”, and so it’s off to the next life for you…

However, I recognize that such action is NOT how we do business here in the United States, and the police side of me tends to agree with that. Contrary to what many people out there think, the police ARE NOT at war with the citizens of the US, and we can’t act like we are. We are a nation of laws, and trials, and individual rights. So, unfortunately, that often puts the police on the reactive side of the equation, and that’s never a fun place to be. And when we suffer an attack on our own, the tendency is to WANT to lash out…but we cannot. Because then we DO become that police state that modern day hippies and lib-tards claim we already are.

Like most police officers, I have very little sympathy or empathy for adults who make deliberately criminal (or stupid) choices. You make your bed, you lie in it. You get caught, that’s your own fault, and when it comes time to pay the piper, that’s on you. (Children are generally a different matter, but that’s a different thread.) That lack of empathy, however, can give rise to anger pretty rapidly, given the right stimulus. It’s something I often have to keep in check

Anyhow, when I mention these sort of attitudes towards my fellow man on certain internet forums, they tend to be met with shock, dismay, and general disagreement. Hence the reason I pretty much stick to the Combat forum these days.

And so it is…

mapwhap,

I don’t think that was drastic at all. It was a very reasonable statement regarding both the desires and emotions surrounding such events, and a logical standard for limiting those desires. Anyone who could read that and come away with any picture of you that doesn’t portray an ethical man who values life and human rights and who treats the oaths he swore with absolute respect has to be looking for things to get offended about or to intentionally misunderstand.

Of course my opinions may not be even remotely representative of the public at large, and I am just some guy on the internet with a chimp for an avatar. I mean, how fucking insightful am I going to be?

Regards,

Robert A

idaho,

I realize that PERSEC and OPSEC concerns limit any discussion about recent events or ongoing situations in and around your A.O., but I sincerely hope that you, those in your command, and those you consider brothers manage to stay safe in the coming days.

Regards,

Robert A

[quote]Robert A wrote:
mapwhap,

I don’t think that was drastic at all. It was a very reasonable statement regarding both the desires and emotions surrounding such events, and a logical standard for limiting those desires. Anyone who could read that and come away with any picture of you that doesn’t portray an ethical man who values life and human rights and who treats the oaths he swore with absolute respect has to be looking for things to get offended about or to intentionally misunderstand.

Of course my opinions may not be even remotely representative of the public at large, and I am just some guy on the internet with a chimp for an avatar. I mean, how fucking insightful am I going to be?

Regards,

Robert A[/quote]

Well…to your credit, he is a very well armed and very well dressed chimp…

[quote]Robert A wrote:
idaho,

I realize that PERSEC and OPSEC concerns limit any discussion about recent events or ongoing situations in and around your A.O., but I sincerely hope that you, those in your command, and those you consider brothers manage to stay safe in the coming days.

Regards,

Robert A[/quote]

Thank you, Robert. Very much appreciated. You stay safe yourself, as it seems: you cannot go to the movies, get a slice of pizza, or buy shampoo at Walmart without running into a coward with a death wish.


On a lighter note:

I had to fly up to Kabul for a couple of days on a charter flight. Passing through a checkpoint, I was met by two Nepalese static security guards, who were standing in front of a table, with a large poster on the wall. Now, I was carrying a backpack, armor, M-6, SIG, ammo, etc…That was ok, but, (since their English sparse) they would point to an article on the poster and then point to my backpack. I would look at the item and just shake my head, “no”.

Now, when they got to the CHAINSAW, I had to laugh. I been through more checkpoints than I can remember, but, I have never been searched for a chainsaw…LOL


Warning poster

[quote]idaho wrote:
Now, when they got to the CHAINSAW, I had to laugh. I been through more checkpoints than I can remember, but, I have never been searched for a chainsaw…LOL [/quote]

I am guessing that is do to using stock art for the poster and the chainsaw was a “power tool”. Like they were using poster art for flammable/static free environments.

Or, they put the chainsaw there on purpose because of too many video games/zombie movies. Which I think is almost as likely. And that is terrifying.

Regards,

Robert A