[quote]John Roman wrote:
Mel Siff[/quote]
Shane Hammon was the guy in that “Science of Strength” program that on the Discovery Channel or Science channel, one of em.
Yea, I was kind of brain washed into thinking TBT and Waterbury were the bee’s knees. Then I did some critical thinking and was like ‘hey, if it’s so good why don’t my arms grow, and wtf no pro bodybuilders train like this’
So now I am going back and rereading all the old CT articles and really taking them to heart.
[quote]Therizza wrote:
Yea, I was kind of brain washed into thinking TBT and Waterbury were the bee’s knees. Then I did some critical thinking and was like ‘hey, if it’s so good why don’t my arms grow, and wtf no pro bodybuilders train like this’
So now I am going back and rereading all the old CT articles and really taking them to heart.[/quote]
ah, how so many of us took that ride to hell, TBT this, dont train arms that, sure starting strength was good, but wheres my arm, lat, calf development? hm… lots of people have kicked my arse into gear and lifts, although not great are goin up and up, i added 10kgs to my flat DB press in the last two weeks and im getting bigger without getting fat because of the total development of my body, due to training ALL the muscles.
I, bodybuilder looks real interesting 
should be good. and the whole moving to bodybuilding dominant site is definately what should have been done ages ago.
Note: a lot of the articles on here even from non-bodybuilders are helpful even if not directly about bodybuilding.
Second note: CT you really have helped some people get freakishly huge/shredded.
There was a really good quote or saying I heard a while back. It went something like this.
“I would rather learn how to hit a baseball from the guy that worked his ass off, trained, studied and hit a shit ton of balls to get his average from .230 to .260, than from some guy who hit .300 lifetime and never worked at it.”
This covers two bases for me. First, I want someone who has done the work, lifted the weight, hit the ball, etc. IMO, you just cannot learn it all from reading a book or watching it.
Second, I want the guy that had to bust his ass, even to be just average at what he did. The genetic freaks can’t really help you out, there is not much to learn from them. Top IFBB pro guys, kids that can deadlift 700lbs at 18 years old, etc. There are some exeptions to the rule here but by and large not.
Take a guy like Dave Tate. Just worked his ass of in every possible way to but up good but not great numbers. That is the kinda guy I want to listen to.
[quote]Monopoly19 wrote:
There was a really good quote or saying I heard a while back. It went something like this.
“I would rather learn how to hit a baseball from the guy that worked his ass off, trained, studied and hit a shit ton of balls to get his average from .230 to .260, than from some guy who hit .300 lifetime and never worked at it.”
This covers two bases for me. First, I want someone who has done the work, lifted the weight, hit the ball, etc. IMO, you just cannot learn it all from reading a book or watching it.
Second, I want the guy that had to bust his ass, even to be just average at what he did. The genetic freaks can’t really help you out, there is not much to learn from them. Top IFBB pro guys, kids that can deadlift 700lbs at 18 years old, etc. There are some exeptions to the rule here but by and large not.
Take a guy like Dave Tate. Just worked his ass of in every possible way to but up good but not great numbers. That is the kinda guy I want to listen to. [/quote]
Are you telling me that Dave Tate worked harder than Ronnie Coleman? Don’t get me wrong, I like Dave. But if you think that all IFBB pro’s had it easy, damn you’re mistaken.
There were a few like Flex Wheeler and, the greatest genetic freak of all time, Paul Dillett… But come on now.
Cutler also has/had a work-ethic like few others. Don’t think for one second that he was just gifted and that was largely it.
[quote]pro-a-ggression wrote:
Therizza wrote:
Second note: CT you really have helped some people get freakishly huge/shredded.[/quote]
I try Next year I might have quite a team. I’m working with 8 Canadian bodybuilders, all of them having placed at the Nationals. Well, not true. One has not competed yet, but he is the freakiest of the bunch. You might get a sneak peak in 6-8 weeks
[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
Monopoly19 wrote:
There was a really good quote or saying I heard a while back. It went something like this.
“I would rather learn how to hit a baseball from the guy that worked his ass off, trained, studied and hit a shit ton of balls to get his average from .230 to .260, than from some guy who hit .300 lifetime and never worked at it.”
This covers two bases for me. First, I want someone who has done the work, lifted the weight, hit the ball, etc. IMO, you just cannot learn it all from reading a book or watching it.
Second, I want the guy that had to bust his ass, even to be just average at what he did. The genetic freaks can’t really help you out, there is not much to learn from them. Top IFBB pro guys, kids that can deadlift 700lbs at 18 years old, etc. There are some exeptions to the rule here but by and large not.
Take a guy like Dave Tate. Just worked his ass of in every possible way to but up good but not great numbers. That is the kinda guy I want to listen to.
Are you telling me that Dave Tate worked harder than Ronnie Coleman? Don’t get me wrong, I like Dave. But if you think that all IFBB pro’s had it easy, damn you’re mistaken.
There were a few like Flex Wheeler and, the greatest genetic freak of all time, Paul Dillett… But come on now.
Cutler also has/had a work-ethic like few others. Don’t think for one second that he was just gifted and that was largely it.
[/quote]
Few men on the planet are going become one of the greatest by half assing it. I am truly tired of that mindset as well. It seems most smaller guys really believe anyone with some real size on them had it easy in some way. You are not going to know how hard someone else had to work by looking at them. I also don’t personally know any truly huge dudes who got that way by accident or without trying that hard.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Wikipedia…the trusted source of…random info that anyone can log on and type.
It is funny that as my muscles have gotten bigger, they also got stronger. I guess my “sarcoplasm” isn’t working right. I would LOVE to simply add 2-3 inches of “sarcoplasm” to my biceps. I wouldn’t even need to lift [/quote]
Yea, well duh - definitely…ha ha…point is that Wiki has that definition, yet my A&P text, which is as complete a tome on the human body as you’re likely to find never mentions it.
And anyway, if we even were going to believe in sarcoplasmic hypertrophy, then I would think any increase in either interstitial or intra-cellular fluid would be a temporary effect of training.
BTW, do you still believe in Santa? Because I sure as shit do!! : )
[quote]Bryan Krahn wrote:
Mike Boyle comes to mind, though not sure how old he is. That being said, if he was willing to coach me on something like squats, I’m pretty sure I’d learn a thing or two.
Whoa hombre, you better check yo’self before you wreck yo’self.
I’ve talked to a lot of big-league trainers in my time, and one of the questions I always throw in his ‘as a coach, who do you admire?’
The answer is always Mike Boyle.
Hell, just yesterday, Cosgrove went off at length at how good Boyle is. Even Charles Poliquin, who doesn’t dole out compliments easily, has the utmost respect for Mike Boyle.
He may not be your go-to-guy for contest prep or rapid physique transformations, but in terms of competency as an athletic trainer? No one comes with higher praise.
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I have no doubt Mike Boyle is a fantastic coach for sports performance. But the question asked was about authors who don’t look like they’ve stepped in the gym. Irregardless of Boyle’s knowledge, he fits the above category.
[quote]Bricknyce wrote:
waylanderxx wrote:
This is why I only listen to CT and Poliquin. The other’s can probably babrely squat my wrist curl max. I’m not listening to a word they have to say.
I’m still waiting for Poliquin to post pictures and/or video clips of his female athlete that has thighs that are bigger than Tom Platz’s, strongman competitor that has thighs that make Ronnie Coleman’s look small, and several female athletes that can do 12+ dead-hang pullups and chinups.
I’m also waiting for him to shut up about bobsledders. [/quote]
Or how about the Russian Olympic wrestler who benched 540 for 8 reps with a 4 second negative on every rep? I get tired of those stories too.
Some of the best coaches in basketball , well most sports for that matter, can’t actually play. I see the point of the OP’s statement, but not all is what it seems. I don’t think you need to look like you lift to be able to teach it and be knowledgeable. Having said that, I bet the trainers that look the part sell more books and have more clients. I’ve met some trainers that are bigger than a barn but dumb as a pile of bricks.
[quote]younggully wrote:
Some of the best coaches in basketball , well most sports for that matter, can’t actually play. I see the point of the OP’s statement, but not all is what it seems. I don’t think you need to look like you lift to be able to teach it and be knowledgeable. Having said that, I bet the trainers that look the part sell more books and have more clients. I’ve met some trainers that are bigger than a barn but dumb as a pile of bricks.[/quote]
That still isn’t the point though. If some small trainer has a client list filled with huge bodybuilders, I will assume he knows how to get people into that kind of shape. However, what we get here are guys who claim to be revolutionizing all of bodybuilding yet they never have any pics of these huge people they supposedly trained to come up with this epiphany.
If some personal trainer claims to be the best but has no pics to show of his conquests that impress those who are trying to reach an elite level, then he deserves all of the hell he gets.
[quote]MODOK wrote:
If we need anything, we need more physique and pure bodybuilder guys. Get Shelby Starnes, Justin H., etc. and tone DOWN the sports specific stuff. Less kettlebell please.[/quote]
AGREED
[quote]Professor X wrote:
younggully wrote:
Some of the best coaches in basketball , well most sports for that matter, can’t actually play. I see the point of the OP’s statement, but not all is what it seems. I don’t think you need to look like you lift to be able to teach it and be knowledgeable. Having said that, I bet the trainers that look the part sell more books and have more clients. I’ve met some trainers that are bigger than a barn but dumb as a pile of bricks.
That still isn’t the point though. If some small trainer has a client list filled with huge bodybuilders, I will assume he knows how to get people into that kind of shape. However, what we get here are guys who claim to be revolutionizing all of bodybuilding yet they never have any pics of these huge people they supposedly trained to come up with this epiphany.
If some personal trainer claims to be the best but has no pics to show of his conquests that impress those who are trying to reach an elite level, then he deserves all of the hell he gets.[/quote]
Not sure phil jackson can play a lick of ball, but he has a damn good record.
[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
Monopoly19 wrote:
There was a really good quote or saying I heard a while back. It went something like this.
“I would rather learn how to hit a baseball from the guy that worked his ass off, trained, studied and hit a shit ton of balls to get his average from .230 to .260, than from some guy who hit .300 lifetime and never worked at it.”
This covers two bases for me. First, I want someone who has done the work, lifted the weight, hit the ball, etc. IMO, you just cannot learn it all from reading a book or watching it.
Second, I want the guy that had to bust his ass, even to be just average at what he did. The genetic freaks can’t really help you out, there is not much to learn from them. Top IFBB pro guys, kids that can deadlift 700lbs at 18 years old, etc. There are some exeptions to the rule here but by and large not.
Take a guy like Dave Tate. Just worked his ass of in every possible way to but up good but not great numbers. That is the kinda guy I want to listen to.
Are you telling me that Dave Tate worked harder than Ronnie Coleman? Don’t get me wrong, I like Dave. But if you think that all IFBB pro’s had it easy, damn you’re mistaken.
There were a few like Flex Wheeler and, the greatest genetic freak of all time, Paul Dillett… But come on now.
Cutler also has/had a work-ethic like few others. Don’t think for one second that he was just gifted and that was largely it.
[/quote]
No, I was not trying to go there, sorry if it came off that way. This is for both you and X.
I mentioned something about exeptions to the rule and that’s what I think. You can’t teach genetics. I have no doubt that guys like Ronnie and HUNDREDS of other worked their tails off to get big but they had something on else on their side that got them to that point in life.
Think if Dave Pulambo (sp?) Not my ideal hero but the guy has tried everything under the sun and killed himself in the gym to try and make it. Was NEVER going to happen with what he had to work with. That said, I’d rather take advice from him than someone like Ronnie or Jay. Get my drift?
Tiger Woods was born to play golf. Guy would be a PGA pro under most circumstances. However, he happens to work harder than just about anyone else and that’s why he will be a legend.
Going back to Dave vs Ronnie, from what I know I would say yes, Dave worked harder/smarter than big Ron. Not many guys in the world can get big or maintain that size eating cornbread and cheesy grits as a staple of their diet.
Monopoly
[quote]Monopoly19 wrote:
Going back to Dave vs Ronnie, from what I know I would say yes, Dave worked harder/smarter than big Ron. Not many guys in the world can get big or maintain that size eating cornbread and cheesy grits as a staple of their diet.
Monopoly[/quote]
Did you really just write that? I have all of Ronnie’s vids and even his first one done years ago shows how he eats. Before the cornbread comes about 5lbs of chicken breasts and a few protein shakes. You aren’t giving that man enough credit at all, especially since Ronnie came from being COMPLETELY IGNORED on stage to winning the Olympia. If anything that shows nothing was handed to him. He came from basically coming in last in the pack to suddenly winning every contest…yet you think he had it easier?
?
[quote]younggully wrote:
Professor X wrote:
younggully wrote:
Some of the best coaches in basketball , well most sports for that matter, can’t actually play. I see the point of the OP’s statement, but not all is what it seems. I don’t think you need to look like you lift to be able to teach it and be knowledgeable. Having said that, I bet the trainers that look the part sell more books and have more clients. I’ve met some trainers that are bigger than a barn but dumb as a pile of bricks.
That still isn’t the point though. If some small trainer has a client list filled with huge bodybuilders, I will assume he knows how to get people into that kind of shape. However, what we get here are guys who claim to be revolutionizing all of bodybuilding yet they never have any pics of these huge people they supposedly trained to come up with this epiphany.
If some personal trainer claims to be the best but has no pics to show of his conquests that impress those who are trying to reach an elite level, then he deserves all of the hell he gets.
Not sure phil jackson can play a lick of ball, but he has a damn good record.[/quote]
Of all the NBA coaches to list as an example, you chose Phil ?
He’s 6"8 and won a ring with the Knicks, was a strong defender and led the league in personal fouls. Spent most of his career as a 6th man, but did spend a couple seasons starting for the Knicks.
[quote]Monopoly19 wrote:
Going back to Dave vs Ronnie, from what I know I would say yes, Dave worked harder/smarter than big Ron. Not many guys in the world can get big or maintain that size eating cornbread and cheesy grits as a staple of their diet.
[/quote]
“Well,” Dave [Tate] said, “I haven’t eaten a vegetable in years. I eat very little protein. Most of my meals come from McDonalds. Really, I’m like that guy from Supersize Me.”
[quote]Monopoly19 wrote:
Think if Dave Pulambo (sp?) Not my ideal hero but the guy has tried everything under the sun and killed himself in the gym to try and make it. Was NEVER going to happen with what he had to work with. That said, I’d rather take advice from him than someone like Ronnie or Jay. Get my drift?[/quote]
No.
How does Palumbo having genetic disadvantages for winning contests at the very top level – which it doesn’t seem to me had anything to do with overall ability to acquire muscle – say anything whatsoever about or have anything to do with making him a better person to take advice from?
Working with more bb’ers as a trainer could be a logical reason for that, some personal intellectual gifts could be a logical reason for that, but not his genetics for winning big contests not being quite there. That just makes no sense.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
younggully wrote:
Some of the best coaches in basketball , well most sports for that matter, can’t actually play. I see the point of the OP’s statement, but not all is what it seems. I don’t think you need to look like you lift to be able to teach it and be knowledgeable. Having said that, I bet the trainers that look the part sell more books and have more clients. I’ve met some trainers that are bigger than a barn but dumb as a pile of bricks.
That still isn’t the point though. If some small trainer has a client list filled with huge bodybuilders, I will assume he knows how to get people into that kind of shape. However, what we get here are guys who claim to be revolutionizing all of bodybuilding yet they never have any pics of these huge people they supposedly trained to come up with this epiphany.
If some personal trainer claims to be the best but has no pics to show of his conquests that impress those who are trying to reach an elite level, then he deserves all of the hell he gets.[/quote]
I think what we see is some authors who have a theory, or what they perceive to be a eureka moment, and they write an article about it instead of trying it out in the gym. Then they seek the next eureka moment.
I, Bodybuilder seems to be taking the correct approach. They seem to be testing it out and experimenting first so i have high hopes for it. Yes they are attaching hype to it, but that can be expected and I don’t mind.