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I’m starting to see where Push is coming from with you.

[quote]H factor wrote:
When your rights were violated you did nothing. [/quote]

Silly assumption.

No, again, effective or not, my rights didn’t change, didn’t magically disappear, they were violated.

In other words you mean tell the truth? Okay.

[quote]
And you did nothing. [/quote]

Silly assumption.

You keep using words, and I don’t think they mean what you think they mean.

[quote]

Which is EXACTLY what I’ve been saying all along. [/quote]

No, you’ve been toeing the statist line all along.

You are the least libertarian minded self proclaimed libertarian I’ve ever come across…

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:
I’m starting to see where Push is coming from with you.

[quote]H factor wrote:
When your rights were violated you did nothing. [/quote]

Silly assumption.

No, again, effective or not, my rights didn’t change, didn’t magically disappear, they were violated.

In other words you mean tell the truth? Okay.

[quote]
And you did nothing. [/quote]

Silly assumption.

You keep using words, and I don’t think they mean what you think they mean.

[quote]

Which is EXACTLY what I’ve been saying all along. [/quote]

No, you’ve been toeing the statist line all along.

You are the least libertarian minded self proclaimed libertarian I’ve ever come across…[/quote]

No you’re just having trouble coming to grips with it. I can BE a libertarian and pay taxes. I can be a libertarian and recognize that my rights can disappear in an instant. That’s not a fucking statist line it’s someone who is being completely realistic.

We live in a country with an insanely powerful government. During the whiskey rebellion they said but our rights! Washington basically said fuck your rights they don’t mean what you think here let me prove it by force. You don’t think the same thing would have happened had you stood up in Boston (let’s remember again that you DIDN’T).

This is WHY we need to work for a smaller government…but you ignoring that fact doesn’t make it any less so. My friend it is the REASON to work for a smaller government. You can’t act like we don’t have a system that can do whatever it wants to you and get away with it. It’s hiding from something you know. Did you learn nothing from the NSA whistleblowers? The government can say fuck your rights anytime it wants. It has the power to do virtually what it wants. Again this is WHY we need to fight for a smaller government.

I can’t make it any more clear to you. You won’t accept what you know is the plain truth. The rights that you think you own and have and are entitled to merely by being born can be taken away from you IN AN INSTANT. They can cease to exist. If you want to pretend you still have them when you don’t, great.

If it makes you feel better that I’m making a silly assumption ok.

Please share exactly what you did to maintain your rights during the situation in Boston while you were a prisoner.

Realize we live in a statist country is toeing the statist line? How so? Is it toeing the statist line to say we have a Congress? It’s an undeniable fact. And Push isn’t a libertarian so his opinion is irrelevant anyways. He didn’t even know what was in the platform. Push is all for intervening when it comes to social matters.

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[quote]H factor wrote:

No you’re just having trouble coming to grips with it. [/quote]

I’ve had zero trouble thus far coming to grips with your relativist views.

You know, when I try and express thoughts like this on agriculture, you sure sang a different tune.

Let’s remember you have no idea what did, what my circumstances were, or what I plan to do.

Washington violated rights. Shocking I know, an American president was an asshole.

lol, wat?

The person trying to convince the world natural rights are man made construct is now trying to lecture me on what now?

Fairly arrogant and condescending

Are you even reading my posts?

How many times do I have to type out “hence the 2nd”?

No, they can’t.

Why don’t you tell me what you do for a living first.

No, trying to convince people their rights are relative is toeing the statist line.

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[quote]H factor wrote:
He didn’t even know what was in the platform. [/quote]

Yeah… I’m done here with you.

Have the last word.

This is all I needed.

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]H factor wrote:

No you’re just having trouble coming to grips with it. [/quote]

I’ve had zero trouble thus far coming to grips with your relativist views.

You know, when I try and express thoughts like this on agriculture, you sure sang a different tune.

Let’s remember you have no idea what did, what my circumstances were, or what I plan to do.

Washington violated rights. Shocking I know, an American president was an asshole.

lol, wat?

The person trying to convince the world natural rights are man made construct is now trying to lecture me on what now?

Fairly arrogant and condescending

Are you even reading my posts?

How many times do I have to type out “hence the 2nd”?

No, they can’t.

Why don’t you tell me what you do for a living first.

No, trying to convince people their rights are relative is toeing the statist line. [/quote]

Lol the guy who types out “hence the 2nd” over and over did what exactly again? Oh you’re planning on doing something now? I guess beans is using his 2nd amendment rights to take down the government! Time wasn’t right in Boston. Quit calling him out on it. NOW he’s ready. He’s got plans! I got no idea about his grand plans.

Hence the 2nd! Yeah I get what the 2nd is for. I get that it exists. And I get that when your rights were violated you didn’t do shit despite it. Have a good night. Good luck with your plans on getting the jackbooted thugs back for Boston now that you’re not a prisoner.

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]H factor wrote:
He didn’t even know what was in the platform. [/quote]

Yeah… I’m done here with you.

Have the last word.

This is all I needed. [/quote]

That was what you were waiting on? Push not knowing what libs were about?

Good luck with your Boston revenge. We have no idea what you’re planning so we can’t wait to see when you…

don’t

do

anything

again.

But when the time comes and your rights are taken away you’ll rise up. I got faith in you. You just weren’t ready!

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Alright, I admit you trolled me into another post.

[quote]H factor wrote:

Lol the guy who types out “hence the 2nd” over and over did what exactly again? [/quote]

Again I ask, what do you do for a living?

Does it require you to be aware of your surroundings?

What, realistically would I have given my life up for had I used that day as a battle ground? What strategic advantage would I had? How would I have been seen by the very people I was trying to help? Would I have taken the father away from my kids and the husband away from my wife for the greater good at that moment?

I pity those that fail to see the significance of timing.

The tallest tree in the world started as a sapling just like all the other trees.

I can’t tell if this is fallacy or just ignorance…

That is all you do on this forum is call people out. I expect little else from you.

Weren’t you just complaining about tough guy internet talk?

[quote]Hence the 2nd! Yeah I get what the 2nd is for. I get that it exists. And I get that when your rights were violated you didn’t do shit despite it. Have a good night. Good luck with your plans on getting the jackbooted thugs back for Boston now that you’re not a prisoner.

[/quote]

lol at all this bullshit from a guy who spouts talking points and spends his posts talking about other posters.

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[quote]H factor wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]H factor wrote:
He didn’t even know what was in the platform. [/quote]

Yeah… I’m done here with you.

Have the last word.

This is all I needed. [/quote]

That was what you were waiting on? Push not knowing what libs were about?

Good luck with your Boston revenge. We have no idea what you’re planning so we can’t wait to see when you…

don’t

do

anything

again.

But when the time comes and your rights are taken away you’ll rise up. I got faith in you. You just weren’t ready! [/quote]

Again, from the e-warrior who spends his posts attacking other posters.

Make sure you follow that platform man, sure is working out oh so well for you.

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Hey Beans: let’s not forget that the Massacre that left the frozen ground red with patriot blood in Boston Town, and that started us down the ragged road of rebellion so many years ago began with… a snowball fight.

You think ANYONE IN THE FUCKING WORLD would know the name Crispus Attucks if his had not been the First Blood Spilt in the Cause of Liberty? Was he worried that the timing might not be right?

Just think. You could have been the guy. You could have been the motherfucking William Wallace of Boston, standing up against the jackbooted thugs, drawing a line in the frosty Boston mud, facing down your black-balaclava’d enemies with their gleaming M4 carbines, and fixing them with a glare that said, “no more.”

Yours could have been the glorious act of defiance that inspired an entire nation of free men to rise up against their oppressors in a new American Revolution, throwing off the chains of democratic serfdom and forging a New Republic.

But no.

And, dying in your bed, many years from now, would ye not give every day, from that day to this, for one chance…ONE CHANCE… to come back and tell those thugs that they can take your life, but they can never take…YOUR FREEDOM!!!

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[quote]UtahLama wrote:

The majority of our laws are based off of some form of law found in the 10 commandments.

Since religion has been around since the beginning of time, our customs and laws will reflect that.

Are you saying we should do away with any law that is found someplace in the bible?[/quote]

The majority of our laws are based off of some form of law that was around before the ten commandments.

To some religion has been around from the beginning of time, for others the world is older than six thousand years.

I believe what he is saying is that a law should not hinge on what is in the bible.

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Beans: Your rights ceased to exist even if it was only for a short time. You want to say that they still existed, but during that short time they did not. You can write hence the 2nd fifty times, but did the 2nd give you your rights there? Of course not.

You’re waving away your reasons for not doing anything. Again…congratulations you are rational. No one on this forum would have done differently and we have some wanna be patriots on here. But don’t tell me you had rights when you didn’t. And don’t tell me power can’t take away those rights. Power has ALWAYS been able to do that. Why do you think trying to limit it is a goal?

You are literally an example of the stuff you’re saying doesn’t exist. I think you believe we are on opposite sides when we really aren’t. You’re just trying to pretend you have these magical freedoms at all times even when you don’t.

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[quote]Varqanir wrote:
Hey Beans: let’s not forget that the Massacre that left the frozen ground red with patriot blood in Boston Town, and that started us down the ragged road of rebellion so many years ago began with… a snowball fight.

You think ANYONE IN THE FUCKING WORLD would know the name Crispus Attucks if his had not been the First Blood Spilt in the Cause of Liberty? Was he worried that the timing might not be right?

[/quote]

I think you are smart enough to realize the situations you describe are vastly different than a manhunt for a suspected terrorist.

You are well aware what the “war on terror” has done to the hearts and minds of the vast majority of people in this nation, particularly those in the north east. And you, just as I, know damn well how that stand on that day would have gone down. Aside from the facts you know, just as I, that blood doesn’t have to be spilled, and if it did, it couldn’t be a citizen spilling it first.

You are aware enough of what surrounds you, and people’ perceptions to know that standing up in a violent manner that day would have been folly that actually hurt the cause for individual liberty. This is 2013, not 1770. The culture and mood of the citizens are starkly different in Massachusetts now verse then.

Not all of us are focused on one battle within a large campaign.

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[quote]Testy1 wrote:

The majority of our laws are based off of some form of law that was around before the ten commandments.[/quote]

And there were plenty of religions around before those as well. And those religions had many similar traits as the ten commandments.

To some the realization that religion does not equal Christianity is coupled with the ability to comment on religion without snide insults, revisionist history or just a general lack of awareness.

And… He refused to actually list any specifics, rather talking points and insults.

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:

To some the realization that religion does not equal Christianity is coupled with the ability to comment on religion without snide insults, revisionist history or just a general lack of awareness.
[/quote]

It seems that tying law to the ten commandments would suggest Christianity.

It wasn’t a snide insult. Assuming that there is a god, religion has not been around since the beginning of time. They are not the same thing.

I am unclear what you even mean by the revisionist history and awareness part.

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[quote]Testy1 wrote:

It seems that tying law to the ten commandments would suggest Christianity.[/quote]

Well he refused to even name a handful of such offensives, so we’ll never really get the chance to talk about it.

From wiki, I know, but I’m too lazy to pull original work.

Saying humanity has been devoid of religion, of some form or name, for any significant amount of time, let alone since the dawn of civilization is either revisionist history or lack of awareness.

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:

Saying humanity has been devoid of religion, of some form or name, for any significant amount of time, let alone since the dawn of civilization is either revisionist history or lack of awareness. [/quote]

He said from the dawn of [b] TIME[\b] not civilization, so it seems neither of your statements are applicable.

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[quote]Testy1 wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

Saying humanity has been devoid of religion, of some form or name, for any significant amount of time, let alone since the dawn of civilization is either revisionist history or lack of awareness. [/quote]

He said from the dawn of TIME not civilization, so it seems neither of your statements are applicable.[/quote]

I feel like we are about to argue semantics, so I’ll drop it.

I scanned the beginning of this, seems pretty well written and researched.

I haven’t the slightest if it helps or hurts my case, nor the time right now to dig, but it could be interesting. Certainly more interesting than snide spaghetti monster statements and talking points devoid of specific.

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[quote]Testy1 wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

Saying humanity has been devoid of religion, of some form or name, for any significant amount of time, let alone since the dawn of civilization is either revisionist history or lack of awareness. [/quote]

He said from the dawn of TIME not civilization, so it seems neither of your statements are applicable.[/quote]

We may also be talking past each other about different things.

I don’t know, I’m tired.

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[quote]Testy1 wrote:

[quote]UtahLama wrote:

The majority of our laws are based off of some form of law found in the 10 commandments.

Since religion has been around since the beginning of time, our customs and laws will reflect that.

Are you saying we should do away with any law that is found someplace in the bible?[/quote]

I believe what he is saying is that a law should not hinge on what is in the bible.[/quote]

Of course this is what I was saying and it is quite obvious. People are just hoping to read more into something so they can play “but you said!”

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:I think you are smart enough to realize the situations you describe are vastly different than a manhunt for a suspected terrorist.

You are well aware what the “war on terror” has done to the hearts and minds of the vast majority of people in this nation, particularly those in the north east. And you, just as I, know damn well how that stand on that day would have gone down. Aside from the facts you know, just as I, that blood doesn’t have to be spilled, and if it did, it couldn’t be a citizen spilling it first.

You are aware enough of what surrounds you, and people’ perceptions to know that standing up in a violent manner that day would have been folly that actually hurt the cause for individual liberty. This is 2013, not 1770. The culture and mood of the citizens are starkly different in Massachusetts now verse then.

Not all of us are focused on one battle within a large campaign. [/quote]

No one blames you for not doing anything and we all know you would have lost. You acted rationally. You did not have rights at the time. And the 2nd amendment didn’t do anything for you.