Attacker gets Beat!

The level of misunderstanding in this thread is scary.

The behavior exhibited by the villian is pretty typical of someone putting his toe in the water to see if he can jump in. He’s working up his courage, testing boundries and becoming more menacing and aggressive - his behavior is typical of a prelude to an attack. For instance, no law enforcement officer would sit idly by and allow it. It’s dangerous. The black belt took a lot of chances. LOL @ knife defense in general by the way. He could have easily been hit or stabbed. That it turned out Okay for him is not evidence that “he did the right thing” or was “impressive”. I think however that we can all cheer and say chalk one up for the good guys, another asshole down on the ground. But if the asshole was more capable, it’s the poor nice guy on the ground.

Here in the States, he has a legal right to defend himself against this type of threat or aggression. Generally, the legal and permitted response follows a continuum. In other words, his response has to be commensurate with the threat. I fear you’re risking a charge if you go to pull a gun FIRST. What everyone has thus far ignored is that he could have attempted to retreat to his home. If the villian attempted to block him from doing so, the good guy then can escalate to evade or protect himself or property. If he chooses not to return to his home, he is certainly within his right to protect his immediate personal space. Allowing someone acting in this manner to get within inches of you is not reasonable.

Legally you generally cannot escalate beyond what is reasonable to extinguish or avoid the threat. But you are not legally bound to suffer an attack before you respond. If you have a REASONABLE fear for your safety, you may respond to that threat REASONABLY to protect persons or property. As for the good guy making a great bouncer, I’d NEVER want to work with him is this is his general demeanor. He’d get himself hurt and you eventually.

[quote]Dedicated wrote:

And yes, he should have been dragged back to pick up the trash he turned over.

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x2 but then again, he wouldn’t have been in my yard barking that long.

Not a good bouncer. A good bouncer would have had the guys arms tied in a knot around his back the second the first finger landed on him.

[quote]WP wrote:
I understand that you personally would resort to violence immediately, but this video kind of proves that you don’t need to do so immediately. Threatened with a weapon is enough of a reason to strike first, but a skinny runt making noise? It just makes you seem like an aggressive prick if you decide to put your “gun in the guy’s face” without any real justification.

Being so agressive will just make you look like the bad guy, even if morally correct. I personally would have struck as soon as the person pushed me - since that’s direct aggression and legally classified as assault. However, it’s clear that what that guy did was successful.[/quote]

Bro, just because THIS guy, in THIS situation came out smelling like roses, it doesn’t mean that’s the way to act. I am not a black belt in 2 different martial arts, and I don’t have any superhuman abilities. I’m just a dude that thinks he shouldn’t have to wait until he gets hit to start defending himself.

Also, I don’t want to be fucking friends with the guy, I WANT to come off as an aggressive prick. I want him to think I’m going to punch so many new holes in his ass he’s going to need a valve put back there so he can take a shit through the right one. I want him to run away and NEVER COME BACK. I’m not going to accomplish that by acting reasonably, patiently, or what have you. I’m going to act like a silverback gorilla on PCP.

Him being on my property and me not wanting him there is all the justification I need, and I don’t care how I come off to the onlookers that have absolutely nothing at stake in the situation and aren’t doing anything to help.

[quote]eic wrote:
I want my 2:58 back. [/quote]

Agreed.

[quote]MaximusB wrote:
Not a bad punch, was hoping he would have leveled him.[/quote]

It was a horrible punch, the small guy was just a huge pussy.

[quote]Steel Nation wrote:

I’m going to act like a silverback gorilla on PCP.

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Awsome visual there! Visualization of the year award!

V

The fat guy was so patient. I would have curb stomped that bitch for knocking over my trash can.

[quote]WP wrote:

I understand that you personally would resort to violence immediately, but this video kind of proves that you don’t need to do so immediately. [/quote]

There are also plenty of videos out there that prove exactly the opposite. I’m not going to knock the guy for his approach, because it worked in this case, but you can’t always be sure that it will.

DB

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
Here in the States, he has a legal right to defend himself against this type of threat or aggression. Generally, the legal and permitted response follows a continuum. In other words, his response has to be commensurate with the threat. I fear you’re risking a charge if you go to pull a gun FIRST. What everyone has thus far ignored is that he could have attempted to retreat to his home. If the villian attempted to block him from doing so, the good guy then can escalate to evade or protect himself or property. If he chooses not to return to his home, he is certainly within his right to protect his immediate personal space. Allowing someone acting in this manner to get within inches of you is not reasonable.
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This is good to know, and you are right that the option to flee was there, so drawing a gun would almost certainly result in a charge of some sort if the police got involved.

Also, I couldn’t understand what the hell was going on, and I suppose you have to figure that with that many onlookers, the guy isn’t going to pull a shank and empty your guts on the grass then run upstairs and impregnate your wife. That is the judgment call that has to be made, and the protagonist in the video was fortunate to make the right one. Cheers to the guy for coming out on top.

[quote]Dedicated wrote:
That guy had to be an expert in Billy Mays Tae Bo, betcha he has the whole dvd collection.[/quote]

Fixed.

[quote]Steel Nation wrote:
WP wrote:
I understand that you personally would resort to violence immediately, but this video kind of proves that you don’t need to do so immediately. Threatened with a weapon is enough of a reason to strike first, but a skinny runt making noise? It just makes you seem like an aggressive prick if you decide to put your “gun in the guy’s face” without any real justification.

Being so agressive will just make you look like the bad guy, even if morally correct. I personally would have struck as soon as the person pushed me - since that’s direct aggression and legally classified as assault. However, it’s clear that what that guy did was successful.

Bro, just because THIS guy, in THIS situation came out smelling like roses, it doesn’t mean that’s the way to act. I am not a black belt in 2 different martial arts, and I don’t have any superhuman abilities. I’m just a dude that thinks he shouldn’t have to wait until he gets hit to start defending himself.

Also, I don’t want to be fucking friends with the guy, I WANT to come off as an aggressive prick. I want him to think I’m going to punch so many new holes in his ass he’s going to need a valve put back there so he can take a shit through the right one. I want him to run away and NEVER COME BACK. I’m not going to accomplish that by acting reasonably, patiently, or what have you. I’m going to act like a silverback gorilla on PCP.

Him being on my property and me not wanting him there is all the justification I need, and I don’t care how I come off to the onlookers that have absolutely nothing at stake in the situation and aren’t doing anything to help.[/quote]

Maybe it’s the difference in law that causes a difference in opinion, America has castle law and such. But in the UK, there’s a very thin line between self-defence and aggravated assault.

Your impression to the perpetrator isn’t what matters, it’s your impression to the law enforcement that counts. On one hand it’s reckless to not do anything and hope he goes away, on the other hand it’s just as equally reckless to DO TOO MUCH and ending up with aggravated assault charges, or at worst, murder.

Consider that while trying to protect your wife and 8 year old daughter, you risk putting them in further danger when you’ve been arrested and sitting in a jail cell unable to protect them.

Back when I did Krav Maga, it was essential that we used “reasonable force”. It may be a UK thing again, but you can tell from how that guy was acting that he had no intentions of starting the fight - how difficult is it to deliver a hook to a guy with his hands down? I know of a case where a smaller person ended up causing GBH to someone who tried to mug him first. The police arrested him, even though he was just defending himself from an attacker.

[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
Dwigs wrote:
elano wrote:
What’s a chav?
Some one who ends every sentence with the words “innit bruv”

Oh wow that explains it.

Christ. [/quote]

Two countries separated by a common language… :confused:

[quote]BulletproofTiger wrote:
The fat guy was so patient. I would have curb stomped that bitch for knocking over my trash can.[/quote]

Being the neat freak that I am, knocking over my trash bin would have sent me over the edge.

[quote]BradyZ wrote:
Info about the fight.

The Sun [/quote]

Heh, the article called the aggressor a “yob”. I had to look in urban dictionary for that one.(yeah, it’s just “boy” backwards) You English have so many colorful terms that basically mean “asshole”, it’s pretty hilarious.

[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
Steel Nation wrote:
Like I said, I would have put my gun in the guy’s face after I called the cops, so no punches would have been thrown. If some douchebag prosecutor wants to send me up on charges for protecting me and mine, then so fucking be it.

Except that you cannot do that here in the UK, or you would get seriously fucked over by the law, for firearms offences. Possible 5 years in jail.

So, how do you handle it now that you cannot use a gun?

BBB[/quote]

Where is the serial killer gun nut when you need him. I mean don’t you guys over the pond need a guy to go house to house killing people and leaving little signs on thier dead bodies that read “if I had a gun I could have defended myself”.

V

[quote]Vegita wrote:
bushidobadboy wrote:
Steel Nation wrote:
Like I said, I would have put my gun in the guy’s face after I called the cops, so no punches would have been thrown. If some douchebag prosecutor wants to send me up on charges for protecting me and mine, then so fucking be it.

Except that you cannot do that here in the UK, or you would get seriously fucked over by the law, for firearms offences. Possible 5 years in jail.

So, how do you handle it now that you cannot use a gun?

BBB

Where is the serial killer gun nut when you need him. I mean don’t you guys over the pond need a guy to go house to house killing people and leaving little signs on thier dead bodies that read “if I had a gun I could have defended myself”.

V[/quote]

LOL.

On a similar note

Some nutters poncing about Swansea, Wales attacking random folk. They go too far and attack two ‘transvestites’. Unfortunatley for these untermensch the ‘trannys’ were two cage fighters.

Proper naughty

[quote]Jack Urboady wrote:
On a similar note

Some nutters poncing about Swansea, Wales attacking random folk. They go too far and attack two ‘transvestites’. Unfortunatley for these untermensch the ‘trannys’ were two cage fighters.

Proper naughty[/quote]

BWAHAHAHA!!