Atheism Is So Darn Sexy

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[quote]Makavali wrote:
BrownTrout wrote:
Don’t kid yourself people. Die hard atheists sound just as retarded in the same way that you think the religious sound. I believe that if there wasn’t a God the concept of one would be as impossible to fathom as a color that doesn’t exist. Our thoughts, even the creative ones are so based off of other things that for humanity to create the entire concept of a supreme deity is just astoundingly unlikely. The concept it too far removed from human experience to have been generated on such a global scale.

All religions have a common point of origin. Cut the psuedo-philosophical shit, you’d be the same type of person to claim religion is beyond the bounds of science and then claim religion when it explicity step into the bounds of science.[/quote]

I’ll tell you what I think about science and religion. I have been studying Physics at college for 3 years. I have not yet encountered a scientific law or proven concept that directly contradicts religion or the theory of creation. Many people like to claim science clearly contradicts the existence of a deity, but just as two people can see separate works of art in the same painting, people who look into science with an agenda will see what they want to see.

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Am I the only one that doesn’t find her attractive? Her voice is so…annoying. Tell me “You caught teh ghey” all you want, she doesn’t do it for me. Sorry just one guy’s opinion.

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[quote]BrownTrout wrote:
Makavali wrote:
BrownTrout wrote:
Don’t kid yourself people. Die hard atheists sound just as retarded in the same way that you think the religious sound. I believe that if there wasn’t a God the concept of one would be as impossible to fathom as a color that doesn’t exist. Our thoughts, even the creative ones are so based off of other things that for humanity to create the entire concept of a supreme deity is just astoundingly unlikely. The concept it too far removed from human experience to have been generated on such a global scale.

All religions have a common point of origin. Cut the psuedo-philosophical shit, you’d be the same type of person to claim religion is beyond the bounds of science and then claim religion when it explicity step into the bounds of science.

I’ll tell you what I think about science and religion. I have been studying Physics at college for 3 years. I have not yet encountered a scientific law or proven concept that directly contradicts religion or the theory of creation. Many people like to claim science clearly contradicts the existence of a deity, but just as two people can see separate works of art in the same painting, people who look into science with an agenda will see what they want to see. [/quote]

Carbon dating seems to do so.

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[quote]BrownTrout wrote:
MangoMan305 wrote:
BrownTrout wrote:
The concept it too far removed from human experience to have been generated on such a global scale.

Ive NEVER heard that argument before. Good point.

But my counter to that is that I believe humans just cannot face the facts that when you die, its over and have struggled to create false hope that life will never end as in going to heaven and living on, etc.

I could just as easily say that atheists can’t deal with the concept of heaven and hell and thus abolish them in their fear and inability to accept something they can’t fully grasp. The argument can be used my both parties and is consequently unproductive. [/quote]

You’d be wrong. Atheists dislike the lack of rational proof in religon so they reject it.

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[quote]Fuzzyapple wrote:
Am I the only one that doesn’t find her attractive? Her voice is so…annoying. Tell me “You caught teh ghey” all you want, she doesn’t do it for me. Sorry just one guy’s opinion. [/quote]

You indeed have caught teh ghey if you don’t find her some what attractive in the “looks” department.

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[quote]BrownTrout wrote:

I have been studying Physics at college for 3 years. I have not yet encountered a scientific law or proven concept that directly contradicts religion or the theory of creation. [/quote]

What Mak said.

The Christianity-fueled theory of creationism centers around the idea that humanity and Earth itself is some 2000 years old.

For someone at the college level studying in physics to not yet grasp how utterly ridiculous and [u]FALSE[/u] this idea is given the sheer boatload of scientific evidence which has clearly proven this to be utter bollocks is…disturbing, to say the least.

What bothers me even more is the growing trend in the States and elsewhere in [u]BANNING the teaching of evolution in public schools[/u]. The latter is IMO a very, very dangerous and treacherous road to undertake; to altogether [u]reject[/u] the teaching of rational argument in favor of impossible-to-rationally-back-up (and arguably grossly out-dated) BELIEFS in this day and age to our youth is a MASSIVE regression.

And testimony to the fact that organized religion as we know it is about CONTROL and REPRESSION of the populace, NOT enlightenment and empowerment.

It is THAT which I fight against. It is THAT which people such as the girl starring in this thread fight against as well.

Believe what you will. But the second you try to force it down my throat AND simultaneously pass legislation which represses the teaching of rationality, you are in a world of shit with yours truly, and I will fight to expose you. I was forced through 10+ years of Catholic indoctrination in pubic schools in my neck of the woods, from primary school and straight through high school. That in itself is bad enough, but to now BAN the teaching of counter-theories (which easily disprove creationism as a valid answer to the origin of Earth and humanity) is akin to returning to the Middle Ages. I reject this. And so should ANYONE who believes in empowering the populace, not render them ignorant and gullible.

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[quote]Cowboy_69 wrote:
BrownTrout wrote:

I have been studying Physics at college for 3 years. I have not yet encountered a scientific law or proven concept that directly contradicts religion or the theory of creation.

What Mak said.

The Christianity-fueled theory of creationism centers around the idea that humanity and Earth itself is some 2000 years old.

For someone at the college level studying in physics to not yet grasp how utterly ridiculous and [u]FALSE[/u] this idea is given the sheer boatload of scientific evidence which has clearly proven this to be utter bollocks is…disturbing, to say the least.

What bothers me even more is the growing trend in the States and elsewhere in [u]BANNING the teaching of evolution in public schools[/u]. The latter is IMO a very, very dangerous and treacherous road to undertake; to altogether [u]reject[/u] the teaching of rational argument in favor of impossible-to-rationally-back-up (and arguably grossly out-dated) BELIEFS in this day and age to our youth is a MASSIVE regression.

And testimony to the fact that organized religion as we know it is about CONTROL and REPRESSION of the populace, NOT enlightenment and empowerment.

It is THAT which I fight against. It is THAT which people such as the girl starring in this thread fight against as well.

Believe what you will. But the second you try to force it down my throat AND simultaneously pass legislation which represses the teaching of rationality, you are in a world of shit with yours truly, and I will fight to expose you. I was forced through 10+ years of Catholic indoctrination in pubic schools in my neck of the woods, from primary school and straight through high school. That in itself is bad enough, but to now BAN the teaching of counter-theories (which easily disprove creationism as a valid answer to the origin of Earth and humanity) is akin to returning to the Middle Ages. I reject this. And so should ANYONE who believes in empowering the populace, not render them ignorant and gullible.[/quote]

Ive also heard that they have been trying to ban teaching the evolution theory in school, has it passed or whats the status on it? Im very interested in that.

Good points Cowboy.

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[quote]elano wrote:

Fast forward to 7:00 to where she trys on dresses, she is so fine.[/quote]

She ain’t that fine … go take a spin in the Veronika Zemanova thread … now THAT’S fine :slight_smile:

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Question: Who created all this, the universe?

Believers/religious dumbfucks: GOD created the universe.

Next question: And who created GOD?

Believers/religious ppl: Nothing existed before God. There can be no such question. There was no “time” before GOD. God created himself.

Same question: Who created all this, the universe?

Atheist/scientist: Universe appeare /was created out of nothing (a rather common phenomenon in nature)/ it created it self . There was nothing before big bang. Actually, this question is inherently flawed due to our brain’s limited perception of things like time, space etc. There was no time before big bang.

Believers: Number of ((unecessary)) assumptions as far as the origin of all this =2 ** You can replace God above, by an infinite list of things like the green evil elf, or the pink flying dragon or…
Atheists: Number of assumptions: 1

Occams razor : When competing hypotheses are equal in other respects, the principle recommends selection of the hypothesis that introduces THE FEWEST ASSUMPTIONS and postulates the fewest entities while still sufficiently answering the question. **There are no counter examples in this foundational principle.

Duh.

Believers just insert an extra unecessary assumption. Otherwise, even philosophically, they are the same.

And for the love of god ( :P), stop trying to IMAGINE big BANG (which is a fact -undisputable empirical evidence). YOU CANNOT. (popularization of science is a very bad thing which leads to all kinds of faulty conclusions, unfortunately). Human brain and imagination operates in sort of a 3d Euclicidian space. Where imagination fails, MATHEMATICS begin to unravel reality. Big bang, at its core is PURE MATHEMATICS. Nothing like u’ve heard or are trying to imagine (like a small mass exploding outwards and creating universe!!).

Fields of theoretical physics, like Qunatum field theory, general relativity, and the emerging string theory(incredibly complex), are all fields you need to study in depth to even begin to actually think about such matters.

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[quote]acidhell wrote:
Atheist/scientist: Universe appeare /was created out of nothing (a rather common phenomenon in nature)/ it created it self . There was nothing before big bang. Actually, this question is inherently flawed due to our brain’s limited perception of things like time, space etc. There was no time before big bang.[/quote]

Or time existed in a different form than what we perceive it as now. Also, “nothing” needs to be defined properly.

Time in itself is a major mindfuck when you really start to think about it. Now consider that time and space may be parts of the same thing.

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[quote]Cowboy_69 wrote:
BrownTrout wrote:

I have been studying Physics at college for 3 years. I have not yet encountered a scientific law or proven concept that directly contradicts religion or the theory of creation.

What Mak said.

The Christianity-fueled theory of creationism centers around the idea that humanity and Earth itself is some 2000 years old.

For someone at the college level studying in physics to not yet grasp how utterly ridiculous and [u]FALSE[/u] this idea is given the sheer boatload of scientific evidence which has clearly proven this to be utter bollocks is…disturbing, to say the least.

What bothers me even more is the growing trend in the States and elsewhere in [u]BANNING the teaching of evolution in public schools[/u]. The latter is IMO a very, very dangerous and treacherous road to undertake; to altogether [u]reject[/u] the teaching of rational argument in favor of impossible-to-rationally-back-up (and arguably grossly out-dated) BELIEFS in this day and age to our youth is a MASSIVE regression.

And testimony to the fact that organized religion as we know it is about CONTROL and REPRESSION of the populace, NOT enlightenment and empowerment.

It is THAT which I fight against. It is THAT which people such as the girl starring in this thread fight against as well.

Believe what you will. But the second you try to force it down my throat AND simultaneously pass legislation which represses the teaching of rationality, you are in a world of shit with yours truly, and I will fight to expose you. I was forced through 10+ years of Catholic indoctrination in pubic schools in my neck of the woods, from primary school and straight through high school. That in itself is bad enough, but to now BAN the teaching of counter-theories (which easily disprove creationism as a valid answer to the origin of Earth and humanity) is akin to returning to the Middle Ages. I reject this. And so should ANYONE who believes in empowering the populace, not render them ignorant and gullible.[/quote]

Well, considering that we’re in the year 2009 right now I think its unlikely that ANYONE believes the earth is 2000 some odd years old. Most people who believe in a biblical account of creation claim that the earth is approx. 6000 years old. Personally I don’t have a strong opinion about exactly when things happened. I think that its really a side argument to whether or not it happened spontaneously or with the help of a deity. As far as carbon dating goes, because it is based off of radioactive decay of carbon 14 it’s accuracy is limited after 40,000 years and entirely unreliable after approx. 60,000 years.

“And testimony to the fact that organized religion as we know it is about CONTROL and REPRESSION of the populace, NOT enlightenment and empowerment.”

^^People have the potential to fuck up and misuse everything. Just look at the current state of American politics. Christianity at its purest was made to deny this corruption. If adhered to perfectly it becomes impossible for anyone to misuse it to lord over another man. Christ himself was the most outspoken about such abuses by the pharisees. But an argument about christian theology is pretty far removed from the question of whether science gives clear support to evolution over creation.

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[quote]Makavali wrote:
acidhell wrote:
Atheist/scientist: Universe appeare /was created out of nothing (a rather common phenomenon in nature)/ it created it self . There was nothing before big bang. Actually, this question is inherently flawed due to our brain’s limited perception of things like time, space etc. There was no time before big bang.

Or time existed in a different form than what we perceive it as now. Also, “nothing” needs to be defined properly.

Time in itself is a major mindfuck when you really start to think about it. Now consider that time and space may be parts of the same thing.[/quote]

For instance “spacetime?”

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[quote]BrownTrout wrote:
Makavali wrote:
acidhell wrote:
Atheist/scientist: Universe appeare /was created out of nothing (a rather common phenomenon in nature)/ it created it self . There was nothing before big bang. Actually, this question is inherently flawed due to our brain’s limited perception of things like time, space etc. There was no time before big bang.

Or time existed in a different form than what we perceive it as now. Also, “nothing” needs to be defined properly.

Time in itself is a major mindfuck when you really start to think about it. Now consider that time and space may be parts of the same thing.

For instance “spacetime?”[/quote]

Precisely. The fact that space occupies 3 dimensions and time may be a fourth dimension is pretty freaky shit if you ask me.

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[quote]BrownTrout wrote:
Well, considering that we’re in the year 2009 right now I think its unlikely that ANYONE believes the earth is 2000 some odd years old. Most people who believe in a biblical account of creation claim that the earth is approx. 6000 years old.
[/quote]

2000 years or 6000 years…youre splitting hairs. Its all the same: proven WRONG. What make you, for instance, of fossils? They date far beyond 6000 years.

Whether Christianity was originally thought up to be supposedly above corruption or not is another moot point in my book. Corruption is inherent to humanity; to think or hope that all followers of an unproven BELIEF will follow it to the letter and without desire to use it for ill-will is to be wholly ignorant of human nature itself. Besides, history has already shown us that the bible and other holy books can be interpreted in a myriad of (usually self-serving and ultimately destructive) ways.

More interestingly, I would like to know what you (and other defenders of Judaism/Islam/Christianity who are reading this) think of the teaching of evolution being [u]BANNED[/u] from public schools in some states/countries?

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[quote]Cowboy_69 wrote:
BrownTrout wrote:
Well, considering that we’re in the year 2009 right now I think its unlikely that ANYONE believes the earth is 2000 some odd years old. Most people who believe in a biblical account of creation claim that the earth is approx. 6000 years old.

2000 years or 6000 years…youre splitting hairs. Its all the same: proven WRONG. What make you, for instance, of fossils? They date far beyond 6000 years.

Whether Christianity was originally thought up to be supposedly above corruption or not is another moot point in my book. Corruption is inherent to humanity; to think or hope that all followers of an unproven BELIEF will follow it to the letter and without desire to use it for ill-will is to be wholly ignorant of human nature itself. Besides, history has already shown us that the bible and other holy books can be interpreted in a myriad of (usually self-serving and ultimately destructive) ways.

More interestingly, I would like to know what you (and other defenders of Judaism/Islam/Christianity who are reading this) think of the teaching of evolution being [u]BANNED[/u] from public schools in some states/countries? [/quote]

They probably think the banning is good, it creates more crazy folk such as themselves.

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[quote]Makavali wrote:
BrownTrout wrote:
Makavali wrote:
acidhell wrote:
Atheist/scientist: Universe appeare /was created out of nothing (a rather common phenomenon in nature)/ it created it self . There was nothing before big bang. Actually, this question is inherently flawed due to our brain’s limited perception of things like time, space etc. There was no time before big bang.

Or time existed in a different form than what we perceive it as now. Also, “nothing” needs to be defined properly.

Time in itself is a major mindfuck when you really start to think about it. Now consider that time and space may be parts of the same thing.

For instance “spacetime?”

Precisely. The fact that space occupies 3 dimensions and time may be a fourth dimension is pretty freaky shit if you ask me.[/quote]

X2. I got heavily into astrophysics whilst in college and severely contorted my mind in trying to visualize/understand some of the concepts involved therein. It`s truly good stuff :smiley: Just the theory of special relativity itself leads to some truly mind-opening occurrences! → Special relativity - Wikipedia To then prove some of these unintuitive phenomenon is most-exciting :smiley:

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[quote]Cowboy_69 wrote:
BrownTrout wrote:
Well, considering that we’re in the year 2009 right now I think its unlikely that ANYONE believes the earth is 2000 some odd years old. Most people who believe in a biblical account of creation claim that the earth is approx. 6000 years old.

2000 years or 6000 years…youre splitting hairs. Its all the same: proven WRONG. What make you, for instance, of fossils? They date far beyond 6000 years.

Whether Christianity was originally thought up to be supposedly above corruption or not is another moot point in my book. Corruption is inherent to humanity; to think or hope that all followers of an unproven BELIEF will follow it to the letter and without desire to use it for ill-will is to be wholly ignorant of human nature itself. Besides, history has already shown us that the bible and other holy books can be interpreted in a myriad of (usually self-serving and ultimately destructive) ways.

More interestingly, I would like to know what you (and other defenders of Judaism/Islam/Christianity who are reading this) think of the teaching of evolution being [u]BANNED[/u] from public schools in some states/countries? [/quote]

I think that since neither is proven it would be wrong to teach one as an absolute truth. Both cases should presented without biased. Unfortunately this is largely impossible because w/e the teacher believed would undoubtedly come out as truth and the other as lie.

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[quote]BrownTrout wrote:
Both cases should presented without biased.[/quote]

One is based on rational thought, observation and experimentation. The other is fairy tales.

Scientists endeavor to prove their theories wrong, creationists endeavor to prove other peoples theories wrong while ignoring the huge gaps in logic in theirs.

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You guys should watch Bill Maher’s Religulous. A lot of interesting stuff in there. As for those who find this girl attractive – I don’t know what to say, honestly…)

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[quote]Cowboy_69 wrote:
BrownTrout wrote:

I have been studying Physics at college for 3 years. I have not yet encountered a scientific law or proven concept that directly contradicts religion or the theory of creation.

What Mak said.

The Christianity-fueled theory of creationism centers around the idea that humanity and Earth itself is some 2000 years old.

For someone at the college level studying in physics to not yet grasp how utterly ridiculous and [u]FALSE[/u] this idea is given the sheer boatload of scientific evidence which has clearly proven this to be utter bollocks is…disturbing, to say the least.

What bothers me even more is the growing trend in the States and elsewhere in [u]BANNING the teaching of evolution in public schools[/u]. The latter is IMO a very, very dangerous and treacherous road to undertake; to altogether [u]reject[/u] the teaching of rational argument in favor of impossible-to-rationally-back-up (and arguably grossly out-dated) BELIEFS in this day and age to our youth is a MASSIVE regression.

And testimony to the fact that organized religion as we know it is about CONTROL and REPRESSION of the populace, NOT enlightenment and empowerment.

It is THAT which I fight against. It is THAT which people such as the girl starring in this thread fight against as well.

Believe what you will. But the second you try to force it down my throat AND simultaneously pass legislation which represses the teaching of rationality, you are in a world of shit with yours truly, and I will fight to expose you. I was forced through 10+ years of Catholic indoctrination in pubic schools in my neck of the woods, from primary school and straight through high school. That in itself is bad enough, but to now BAN the teaching of counter-theories (which easily disprove creationism as a valid answer to the origin of Earth and humanity) is akin to returning to the Middle Ages. I reject this. And so should ANYONE who believes in empowering the populace, not render them ignorant and gullible.[/quote]

Agreed.

Christians have done so much evil in the last couple thousand years, you and I probably would have been executed 500 years ago if we disagreed with the church.

I say it’s payback time.