[quote]Spartiates wrote:
Well. You guys go ahead and not vote.
I think if all the sudden, large numbers of third party candidates across the country started pulling even 5-10% of the vote at the local level, there would be some reaction, and re-organizing around it.
It’s a rolling stone picking up speed.
Here in New Mexico, we once had a very active Green Party, that was getting 30%+ of the vote in major elections. It basically died in one election year, when most “Greens” voted Dem for governor.
I bet most of them regret it.
Third parties need their start at the local level. We’re not going to get more parties in power by waiting for a magical snowflake to sweep a big national election.[/quote]
I don’t see how someone can just blow off their vote. Orion does not count though as he’s out of our bounds. There is no message to be sent through that, except that we have many useful people that will just go along. The more of you that are around sends the message that once elected they can do whatever they want based on the 30% who can’t give a shit or give a shit SOOOOO MUCH they don’t vote.
Go-along-Dustin. That’s your new name.
Again, you have no right or platform to bitch about ANYTHING if you don’t vote. None…whatsoever. You chose to Go Along. You get what you get.
Spartiates and I have a common bond here on this, and I didn’t think it was possible.
If you check these out, you will see who wants to discuss the trivial vs who shows how the government is out of control. I just gave you a 50/50 fair research review to determine this. The media has become another branch of our society that once criticized the establisment with relentless pursuit. That spirit is extremently muffled now. Choose wisely, and we can discuss further.
Now is not a time to take up arms. This will work itself out as long as we have folks like you wanting to learn more and willing to vote and discuss the issues with their friends and wake up the giant blob in the USA who now takes for granted the concepts this country was founded. [/quote]
If the Democrats commit massive election fraud in November to retain power you could see open rebellion. Civil disobedience is happening all around us. The anger is building. Often it only needs a spark to rise to the next level. Election fraud in November could be that spark. A strong leader in the opposition could keep a lid on it but I don’t see one emerging yet.
At some point the government cannot continue to act against the will of the majority of the people and expect complacency, while the social and economic fabric is ripped apart.
[quote]John S. wrote:
Wait till the inflation really begins hits and the tax brackets don’t reset to the correct amount. Wait till the poorer of the tax payers start paying more and more. That is when you will see the rebellion, but it won’t be a violent rebellion we don’t really need those anymore, but it will be a rebellion at the voting booth.
You will see your revolution come November 2010 and 2012. People like Rand Paul and Peter Schiff are the future, you see what we are calling for is term limits. Once that happens most of this nonsense will end.[/quote]
When interest payments force the Feds to either cut back on social spending or inflate in double digits (which will raise interest rates anyway), that will be the point when the American people finally rebel. Looting by law will then no longer be possible and the cattle will stampede. That’s when we get martial law and a military dictatorship.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
Dustin, there’s a Bible college student down the road from you that IS voting. You’ve got to vote to cancel him out, man. Don’t you get it?[/quote]
I’m sure you can find someone at almost every level to vote for, that’s not in a major party. IMHO “throwing your vote away” with a third party is x1000 better than not voting at all.
How about individuals showing the government that they are fed up and not vote?
I’d rather stick to my principles and not vote, than to vote for a third party (or lesser of two evils) that doesn’t share my beliefs.
So you think low voter turnout will “send a message” to anyone? Or just reinforce the idea that most Americans are apathetic, and don’t track what’s going on?
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They are apathetic, good point. Ever ask yourself why they are?
Maybe at the local level there multiple individuals and parties to vote for, but not at the national level. Oklahoma law only allows one to vote democrat or republican.
Maybe at the local level there multiple individuals and parties to vote for, but not at the national level. Oklahoma law only allows one to vote democrat or republican.
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I don’t believe that. Political parties in the US have no official recognition at all. Their only real “power” comes in the house and the senate, where due to the rules of the house and the senate, the majority party gets extra power. That’s extra-constitutional, and could be changed on a dime. We elect individuals, not parties.
I have never voted for any federal level position where there weren’t at least three options. Are you saying that in 2000 Ralph Nader wasn’t on the Oklahoma ballot? I know that’s not true.
I don’t see how someone can just blow off their vote.
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It’s pretty simple and I have already stated why. My vote (and your’s) doesn’t matter. These people don’t care about us or what we say. Just look at the health care reform bill. Hardly anyone wants this, but do you think they care? Bush and is cronies made up every excuse they could think of to send troops halfway around the world to some 3rd world hell-hole to, get this, protect our freedoms. How can you not see the writing on the wall?
It has zero to do with “going along with it”. Not sure how you could come to that conclusion based on any of my previous posts in this forum.
Alternatively, I can blame you and others who religiously vote for a system that continues to grow and impede in Americans lives and property (their person, money, and liberties).
Maybe at the local level there multiple individuals and parties to vote for, but not at the national level. Oklahoma law only allows one to vote democrat or republican.
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I don’t believe that. Political parties in the US have no official recognition at all. Their only real “power” comes in the house and the senate, where due to the rules of the house and the senate, the majority party gets extra power. That’s extra-constitutional, and could be changed on a dime. We elect individuals, not parties.
I have never voted for any federal level position where there weren’t at least three options. Are you saying that in 2000 Ralph Nader wasn’t on the Oklahoma ballot? I know that’s not true.[/quote]
In 2004, I tried to vote 3rd party and was not allowed to.
From what I have been able to find out, the law stems from the 1920s and 1930s when the American Communist Party and KKK had large followings in Oklahoma.
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
My take thus far on the subject is that there will come a time, maybe it has already passed maybe it hasn’t, that reversing or “setting the ship right” so to speak will pass and a reboot of our system will be necessary. I also believe it is not only our right as Americans rebel if necessary, but our responsibility to do so for the good of the people.
Thanks,
Chris[/quote]
Yea - grab your AK and head over to the White House - the rest of us are right behind you.
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
My take thus far on the subject is that there will come a time, maybe it has already passed maybe it hasn’t, that reversing or “setting the ship right” so to speak will pass and a reboot of our system will be necessary. I also believe it is not only our right as Americans rebel if necessary, but our responsibility to do so for the good of the people.
Thanks,
Chris[/quote]
Yea - grab your AK and head over to the White House - the rest of us are right behind you. [/quote]
I didn’t say it had to be a violent rebellion and walking up to the White House with an AK wouldn’t exactly be very tactical of me would it?
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
I didn’t say it had to be a violent rebellion and walking up to the White House with an AK wouldn’t exactly be very tactical of me would it?[/quote]
Did I say you should just stroll through the front door? No!! ; )
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
I didn’t say it had to be a violent rebellion and walking up to the White House with an AK wouldn’t exactly be very tactical of me would it?[/quote]
Did I say you should just stroll through the front door? No!! ; )[/quote]
Maybe we could work out some kind of deal. You let me borrow a T-1000 and I’ll split the U.S. with you, fair?
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
I didn’t say it had to be a violent rebellion and walking up to the White House with an AK wouldn’t exactly be very tactical of me would it?[/quote]
Did I say you should just stroll through the front door? No!! ; )[/quote]
Maybe we could work out some kind of deal. You let me borrow a T-1000 and I’ll split the U.S. with you, fair? [/quote]
That sounds good… I’m having a fire sale on the 800’s though - something to think about…
