America’s not going to rebel. America is far too comfortable for a violent insurrection. [/quote]
This is the fact of the matter right here. And not only are Americans, by and large, too comfortable, they are also far too lazy. Remember, revolts, even non-violent ones, require energy expenditure.
Also, one should look at some the responses from this thread. “People will revolt at the voting booth”. Sorry, but this is a misguided train of the thought. Voting for another asshole in a suit and tie isn’t going to solve anything. The libertarians here have already said it, but it bears repeating. Don’t support politicians, support ideas and principles.[/quote]
I agree with you 100% on supporting your principles over politicians, but with our system the way it is how can you stand by your principles when the Governors, Congressmen, and Presidential candidates don’t even come close to the same ideologies as you have?
America’s not going to rebel. America is far too comfortable for a violent insurrection. [/quote]
This is the fact of the matter right here. And not only are Americans, by and large, too comfortable, they are also far too lazy. Remember, revolts, even non-violent ones, require energy expenditure.
Also, one should look at some the responses from this thread. “People will revolt at the voting booth”. Sorry, but this is a misguided train of the thought. Voting for another asshole in a suit and tie isn’t going to solve anything. The libertarians here have already said it, but it bears repeating. Don’t support politicians, support ideas and principles.[/quote]
I agree with you 100% on supporting your principles over politicians, but with our system the way it is how can you stand by your principles when the Governors, Congressmen, and Presidential candidates don’t even come close to the same ideologies as you have? [/quote]
That’s easy, I don’t vote.
I gave up on the aforementioned individuals years ago.
Fun thread. Kind of. Less revolutionary than I expected.
The oppressed are usually the people who rebel. In our case, there aren’t many.
You are still free to do whatever the fuck you want, regardless of who sits in your local office.
When was the last time a new law actually impacted your daily life?
I was pissed at the Patriot Act way back when, but then I realized I’m not a terrorist, and the CIA/NSA/FBI don’t have enough cash to actually watch everyone. That, and I quit breaking the law. Much less worried about my right to privacy being broken now, since they wouldn’t find anything if they were.
I would read up on history if you are interested in rebellion. Case studies are good for basic understanding.
Political science seems relevant, but perhaps that’s too obvious.
I was pissed at the Patriot Act way back when, but then I realized I’m not a terrorist, and the CIA/NSA/FBI don’t have enough cash to actually watch everyone. That, and I quit breaking the law. Much less worried about my right to privacy being broken now, since they wouldn’t find anything if they were.
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You may not be considered a terrorist now, but who’s to say that your politics won’t someday be considered subversive or a danger to the state? Certainly, you understand the dangerous precedence that is set by legislation such as the Patriot Act. It gives the government an enormous amount of power.
I’m Canadian, but to me, political parties are non sense, it’s just divide and conquer.
Everyone think they’re right, and it was the ‘other party that fucked things up and now my party
is going to fix everything’.
In Canada, MPs(members of parliament) get a six figure pension if they’re voted in for 2 terms, it’s fucking bullshit. I would imagine that the politicians in the States have padded their coffers quite nicely as well.
1.Why even spend time to be passionate about your beliefs and discuss them if you are unwilling to make them happen through your right to vote?
2.Why argue with people in the internet about politics if you don’t even vote?
1.Why even spend time to be passionate about your beliefs and discuss them if you are unwilling to make them happen through your right to vote?
2.Why argue with people in the internet about politics if you don’t even vote?
This makes no sense at ALL![/quote]
x1000
I’m sure you can find someone at almost every level to vote for, that’s not in a major party. IMHO “throwing your vote away” with a third party is x1000 better than not voting at all.
1.Why even spend time to be passionate about your beliefs and discuss them if you are unwilling to make them happen through your right to vote?
2.Why argue with people in the internet about politics if you don’t even vote?
This makes no sense at ALL![/quote]
So I should pick between a republican or democrat? Seriously?
It’s a total waste of time at the national level. The two parties are the same.
Besides, it goes against libertarian principles to vote for a politician who is going to steal from me.
1.Why even spend time to be passionate about your beliefs and discuss them if you are unwilling to make them happen through your right to vote?
2.Why argue with people in the internet about politics if you don’t even vote?
This makes no sense at ALL![/quote]
So I should pick between a republican or democrat? Seriously?
It’s a total waste of time at the national level. The two parties are the same.
Besides, it goes against libertarian principles to vote for a politician who is going to steal from me.[/quote]
Yes seriously. Choose SOMEBODY that best aligns with you. And since they don’t follow ALL of your views in pure then you would just toss the vote? Incredible. Chose the one you feel will steal LESS then, and don’t tell me they are ALL ALIKE. Please. There has never been a more polorized part option.
You’ll pass on voting someone on Amnesty for instance? If you fail to vote, then don’t ever bitch about what is happeing here. You don’t even have a right to bitch if you throw your vote away.
I’m sure you can find someone at almost every level to vote for, that’s not in a major party. IMHO “throwing your vote away” with a third party is x1000 better than not voting at all.[/quote]
How about individuals showing the government that they are fed up and not vote?
I’d rather stick to my principles and not vote, than to vote for a third party (or lesser of two evils) that doesn’t share my beliefs.
I’m sure you can find someone at almost every level to vote for, that’s not in a major party. IMHO “throwing your vote away” with a third party is x1000 better than not voting at all.[/quote]
How about individuals showing the government that they are fed up and not vote?
I’d rather stick to my principles and not vote, than to vote for a third party (or lesser of two evils) that doesn’t share my beliefs.
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Ja…
I will be done anyway, but it will not be done in my name.
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I’d rather stick to my principles and not vote, than to vote for a third party (or lesser of two evils) that doesn’t share my beliefs.
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With that practice, why even have beliefs at all? You’ll just get what you get dude.
Yes seriously. Choose SOMEBODY that best aligns with you. And since they don’t follow ALL of your views in pure then you would just toss the vote? Incredible. Chose the one you feel will steal LESS then, and don’t tell me they are ALL ALIKE. Please. There has never been a more polorized part option.
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I have never understood this line of thinking. Okay, so if I have to pick between Hitler or Pol Pot, who should I vote for? I guess I have to pick the one that best aligns with me, right?
Chose who will steal less? How about I chose none of the above, as I don’t like to have my property stolen?
And yes, both parties are the same. Certainly you remember the previous President?
I have every right to “bitch”, whether I vote for criminals or not.
I’m sure you can find someone at almost every level to vote for, that’s not in a major party. IMHO “throwing your vote away” with a third party is x1000 better than not voting at all.[/quote]
How about individuals showing the government that they are fed up and not vote?
I’d rather stick to my principles and not vote, than to vote for a third party (or lesser of two evils) that doesn’t share my beliefs.
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So you think low voter turnout will “send a message” to anyone? Or just reinforce the idea that most Americans are apathetic, and don’t track what’s going on?
Again, I’m sure there’s someone you’d align pretty close with in most races. Ever notice how there tend to be like 3-10 guys on the ballot? Investigate the others.
I’m sure you can find someone at almost every level to vote for, that’s not in a major party. IMHO “throwing your vote away” with a third party is x1000 better than not voting at all.[/quote]
How about individuals showing the government that they are fed up and not vote?
I’d rather stick to my principles and not vote, than to vote for a third party (or lesser of two evils) that doesn’t share my beliefs.
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So you think low voter turnout will “send a message” to anyone? Or just reinforce the idea that most Americans are apathetic, and don’t track what’s going on?
Again, I’m sure there’s someone you’d align pretty close with in most races. Ever notice how there tend to be like 3-10 guys on the ballot? Investigate the others.
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Nothing will send a a “message” to them.
YOur vote is insignificant and does not matter.
As long as you do vote though you are bestowing credibility to the idea that the magic of “voting” somehow excuses ttheft, coercion and murder.
I think if all the sudden, large numbers of third party candidates across the country started pulling even 5-10% of the vote at the local level, there would be some reaction, and re-organizing around it.
It’s a rolling stone picking up speed.
Here in New Mexico, we once had a very active Green Party, that was getting 30%+ of the vote in major elections. It basically died in one election year, when most “Greens” voted Dem for governor.
I bet most of them regret it.
Third parties need their start at the local level. We’re not going to get more parties in power by waiting for a magical snowflake to sweep a big national election.