At This Point in 2019, I'm Not Voting at All

That’s precisely why he was unaware of it.

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They usually start with a pretty reasonable assumption. Like the extra regulations reduce growth by .5->2 percent or something. Making an extra percent of growth over 130 years compounds… a bit.

Is that truly reasonable? You’d have to ask economists lmao.

Oh I know. I just love when economists look into stuff that has so many confounding factors they have to just ignore all of them existing and pretend like the world works differently in their models.

I think it’s reasonable. Without those darn regs America would be producing double the GDP of the current day planet. Fosho.

Brought to you by the same sponsors of trickle down economics lolol

Well, the $150T number was from a think tank IIRC. So think tanks have agendas. But just think how many more flying cars, cancer cures and sex drugs we’d have if it wasn’t for that damn gubmint!

I can believe the $33T pretty easily for the US economy.

Either way, this conversation started because someone asked facetiously how the feds impact your life. It is unquestionable that beurocracy slows growth. The question is to what extent and is it worth it.

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Kinda goes without saying. I can’t imagine the type of person who is both smart enough to understand how GDP works in it’s most basic sense AND buys into any number even remotely close to 150T.

Yeah Nick’s trolling level has definitely jumped a few levels lately. I used to think I was good at it.

This analogy makes absolutely no sense as it’s not what I meant at all.

If your candidate loses, you still have the option to have an opinion about the last two candidates in the election. It is your choice to pick the “lesser of the two evils” if you see that none of them were your first choice.

I think you’re referring to me…but I asked almost the exact opposite question(ways in which local government has more influence on one than the Feds do?). I asked @pat because he wrote that local races have more impact than national/President.

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I guess I can see why you’d resent someone for declining to choose between a shitburger and a shitdog.

See, this is the part where the argument falls apart: regardless if I vote or not, I still have an opinion about what the “winner” says and does. This is a Government of, by, and for The People … not of, by, and for The Voters or The Victor.

We’re a nation, presumably, composed of free people, that includes the freedom to abstain from voting if we so choose, for whatever reason. In doing so, that does not nullify any opinion I may have on any given policy. My opinion doesn’t cease to become valid based on whether or not I cast a vote - again, if I find both options set before me to be unacceptable, the other option is to abstain, in doing so that does not render any legitimate criticism of anything invalid. Especially if I have a legitimate gripe with whatever it is I’m abstaining from voting on…to suggest otherwise is illogical and unreasonable. Look at it as a form of civil disobedience if you must…

I find it unreasonable and narrow minded for someone to resent that…It flies in the face of exercising individual freedom of choice and antithetical to Liberty

I find it idiotic.
Edit: I checked his profile and learned that he is a 6-inch tall 19-year old. I guess I’d resent a lot of people if I were six inches tall.

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I lol’d …

Of course. I think that’s the reason for the resentment.

No doubt. I don’t think anyone questions the slowness of growth but is growth the be all end all? I’m happy to sacrifice some growth for clean air, water, solid buildings, safe food, consumer protections, child labor laws, etc.

Not to say we don’t have regulations that make no sense and need to go but I don’t think most of us truly want to live in a country without any of them. Most regulations were born of people desiring the government to create rules in certain areas.

Moderation is always key imo.

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As did I. That’s why I’m just an H. I’m afraid to be judged on this forum simply because I can easily fit in a coat pocket.

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Oh you’ve been here long enough to know you’ve been judged tenfold by now or more

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I don’t see how anyone can want trump again for another 4 years.

even if you think this entire thing is a fucking conspiracy and they’re all in on it bleh bleh bleh at least vote him out so the fucking media can calm the fuck down.

there’s so much overcorrecting going on in this country because of this guy… please, let him go.

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So because the media and the Dems have lost their minds, Republicans should vote out their president?

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The left is completely unhinged. Driven purely by psychotic emotions.

Yes. Have fun without your nose, face!

Don’t be scared homie.